The Business of Government is to Promote Happiness or Business?

[Dad2three]

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

liberals believe that "promote the general welfare" means take care of everyone from birth to death, except unborn children that is.

No they don't

They believe in helping people who need help

By enslaving them in generational poverty...

Nobody is enslaved
Millions of Americans have escaped poverty using government programs

Welfare is poverty, moron.

You'd think 'free markets' would stop that right? Lowest sustained tax burden on the job creators since the first GOP great depression

 

[ScienceRocks]

The purpose of a legitimate government is to restrain oppression, whether oppression makes the masses happy or not.

"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it."

Thomas Jefferson

That left a huge mark on the ass of the losertrians! Losertrians are stooges for the rich elite that want us to be like Mexico.

 

[Agit8r]

The purpose of a legitimate government is to restrain oppression, whether oppression makes the masses happy or not.

"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it."

Thomas Jefferson

"rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within the limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others"
-- Thomas Jefferson; from letter to Isaac H. Tiffany (April 4, 1819)

Well played tho

 

[Dad2three]

No they don't

They believe in helping people who need help

By enslaving them in generational poverty...

Nobody is enslaved
Millions of Americans have escaped poverty using government programs

Welfare is poverty, moron.

Figured that one out for yourself did ya?

And welfare provides a safety net for those struggling with poverty. But we do not stop at welfare....we provide educational programs, jobs training, employment initiatives, small business initiatives, child care. All to help people escape poverty

And I wonder just how many get off the dole?
I'm sure there are people on welfare and some sort of assistance for years.

"I'm sure there are people on welfare and some sort of assistance for years."


Koch Brothers Takes $88 Million in Corporate Welfare

Koch Brothers likes to champion themselves as crusaders against the welfare state. But a new report shows that they took $88 million of your taxpayer dollars while demanding that governments stop wasting taxpayer dollars. In total, $110 billion goes out to corporate welfare projects from state and local authorities. This does not even include money coming from federal sources.


7 Ways the Koch Bros. Benefit from Corporate Welfare

Charles and David Koch, the secretive billionaire brothers who own Koch Industries, the largest private oil company in America, have spent millions bankrolling free-market think tanks and pro-business politicians in order, as David Koch has put it, “to minimize the role of government, to maximize the role of private economy and to maximize personal freedoms.” But a closer look at their dealings reveals that for the past 35 years the brothers have never shied away from using government subsidies to maximize their own profits, even while endeavoring to limit government spending on anything else. Simply put: the Kochs have no problem with socialism — as long as they’re in on the action.

 

[Dad2three]

The path to happiness is individual freedom.

Socialist ideals help the middle class prosper AND promote individual freedom.

It doesn't seem to be working in Venezuela.

Why is that?

3rd world nation? Weird the TYPE of capitalism you support seems to have some problems in Russia too? lol

 

[Dad2three]

Let's see how that works out in Greece. Under obumble more businesses have closed than started.

I wrote Socialist ideals, not Socialism.

You claim to own a business. Do you split all profits equally with everyone who works for the company? No? Then shut the fuck up.

All profits must be split (perfect equality) for socialist ideals (WE are a SOCIETY) to be used?


Okay, let's use the word "socialism," which is somewhat ambiguous.

But we can keep it simple.

Socialism - We're all in this boat together, we should help each other.

Conservatism - Every man for himself!

 

[Dad2three]

The purpose of a legitimate government is to restrain oppression, whether oppression makes the masses happy or not.

"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it."

Thomas Jefferson

"rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within the limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others"
-- Thomas Jefferson; from letter to Isaac H. Tiffany (April 4, 1819)

Well played tho

"[Our] principles [are] founded on the immovable basis of equal right and reason." --Thomas Jefferson to James Sullivan, 1797.


"Some other natural rights (housing, food, water, etc ???)... [have] not yet entered into any declaration of rights." --Thomas Jefferson to John W. Eppes, 1813

 

[Agit8r]

The purpose of a legitimate government is to restrain oppression, whether oppression makes the masses happy or not.

"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it."

Thomas Jefferson

"rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within the limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others"
-- Thomas Jefferson; from letter to Isaac H. Tiffany (April 4, 1819)

Well played tho

"[Our] principles [are] founded on the immovable basis of equal right and reason." --Thomas Jefferson to James Sullivan, 1797.


"Some other natural rights (housing, food, water, etc ???)... [have] not yet entered into any declaration of rights." --Thomas Jefferson to John W. Eppes, 1813

"The earth is given as a common stock for man to labor and live on. If for the encouragement of industry we allow it to be appropriated, we must take care that other employment be provided to those excluded from the appropriation."
-- Thomas Jefferson; letter to James Madison (1785)

 

[Dad2three]

The business of a Democrat controlled government is to make it as hard as possible for a business in the private sector to succeed.
The purpose of a Democrat controlled government is to impose as many taxes as possible in order to force people to be dependent
on government thereby keeping Democrats in power.

Democrats AND Republicans want to make it hard for small businesses AND labor unions in order to maximize shareholder value; that's why the US economy has "recovered" for the richest 10 percent of Americans.

Not that stock ownership is the only form of investment they hold but 52% of American households own stocks as part or all of their portfolios. They all benefit from the growth and profitability of the companies in which they invest. You just whine like a stuck leftist because you never bothered to become one of the 52%.

'52% of American households own stocks as part or all of their portfolios.'



80% of the population owns 5% of the wealth.

Who Rules America Wealth Income and Power

The middle class has been eviscerated.


The Top 0.1% Of The Nation Earn Half Of All Capital Gains

The Top 0.1 Of The Nation Earn Half Of All Capital Gains - Forbes

 

[Dad2three]

The role of government is to allow the PURSUIT of happiness, not to guarantee that everyone will find it.

The role of government is to get out of the way of business and let the free market, supply and demand, and individual hard work drive success (or failure).

"just get the hell out of my way" John Galt to the government in Atlas Shrugged.

Prior to FDR the presumption of government was to produce the conditions for the "pursuit of happiness." FDR said, "why stop there, the federal government can produce happiness" ( understood as material well-being ) thus the New Deal, road to socialism and ruination of the principles the Founders spent much time on, in their famous U.S. Constitution, that is now almost up in flames. Obammy is fast closing it out, completely. We poor hard-working sucking taxpayers.

Often misquoted as ‘The business of America is business,” Coolidge really said:

“...After all, the chief business of the American people is business. They are profoundly concerned with producing, buying, selling, investing and prospering in the world. I am strongly of opinion that the great majority of people will always find these are moving impulses of our life. …

Wealth is the product of industry, ambition, character and untiring effort. In all experience, the accumulation of wealth means the multiplication of schools, the increase of knowledge, the dissemination of intelligence, the encouragement of science, the broadening of outlook, the expansion of liberties, the widening of culture.

Of course, the accumulation of wealth cannot be justified as the chief end of existence. But we are compelled to recognize it as a means to well-nigh every desirable achievement. So long as wealth is made the means and not the end, we need not greatly fear it.”
January 17, 1925 Given before the American Society of Newspaper Editors

"We grudge no man a fortune which represents his own power and sagacity, when exercised with entire regard to the welfare of his fellows."


Teddy Roosevelt spoke impassionedly about great wealth, saying that it is "not even enough that it should have been gained without doing damage to the community. We should permit it to be gained only so long as the gaining represents benefit to the community.

 

[Agit8r]

The business of a Democrat controlled government is to make it as hard as possible for a business in the private sector to succeed.
The purpose of a Democrat controlled government is to impose as many taxes as possible in order to force people to be dependent
on government thereby keeping Democrats in power.

Democrats AND Republicans want to make it hard for small businesses AND labor unions in order to maximize shareholder value; that's why the US economy has "recovered" for the richest 10 percent of Americans.

Not that stock ownership is the only form of investment they hold but 52% of American households own stocks as part or all of their portfolios. They all benefit from the growth and profitability of the companies in which they invest. You just whine like a stuck leftist because you never bothered to become one of the 52%.

'52% of American households own stocks as part or all of their portfolios.'



80% of the population owns 5% of the wealth.

Who Rules America Wealth Income and Power

The middle class has been eviscerated.


The Top 0.1% Of The Nation Earn Half Of All Capital Gains

The Top 0.1 Of The Nation Earn Half Of All Capital Gains - Forbes

"A government operating by corrupt influence; substituting the motive of private interest in place of public duty; converting its pecuniary dispensations into bounties to favorites or bribes to opponents; accommodating its measures to the avidity of a part of the nation instead of the benefit of the whole... Such a government, wherever to be found, is an impostor."
-- James Madison; from 'Spirit of Governments' (Feb. 18, 1792)

 

[Mac1958]

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We're not going to be able to turn America into Sweden, gang.

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[ScienceRocks]

The business of a Democrat controlled government is to make it as hard as possible for a business in the private sector to succeed.
The purpose of a Democrat controlled government is to impose as many taxes as possible in order to force people to be dependent
on government thereby keeping Democrats in power.

Democrats AND Republicans want to make it hard for small businesses AND labor unions in order to maximize shareholder value; that's why the US economy has "recovered" for the richest 10 percent of Americans.

Not that stock ownership is the only form of investment they hold but 52% of American households own stocks as part or all of their portfolios. They all benefit from the growth and profitability of the companies in which they invest. You just whine like a stuck leftist because you never bothered to become one of the 52%.

'52% of American households own stocks as part or all of their portfolios.'



80% of the population owns 5% of the wealth.

Who Rules America Wealth Income and Power

The middle class has been eviscerated.


The Top 0.1% Of The Nation Earn Half Of All Capital Gains

The Top 0.1 Of The Nation Earn Half Of All Capital Gains - Forbes

It's time to tax the shit out of the .1%! They're thefts.

 

[Dad2three]

ot under "defense." Katrina wasn't "defense." The California earthquake wasn't "defense." Hurricanes are not "defense." Grow up.

The Pentagon currently argues climate change represents a "threat multiplier" possessing the power to "exacerbate" many defense challenges faced by the US today. Unless you are claiming the founders knew better two hundred years ago, how else would empirical phenomena like changing precipitation patterns, rising sea levels, and more extreme weather events be viewed if not as threats to national defense?
Pentagon Climate change a national security threat TheHill

The cost of steel affects our national defense, so we can nationalize the steel industry under defense. And again, people are murdering children by aborting them, we can ban abortions as defense.

No, defense means to defend our borders and Americans from foreign threats.

KAZ WROTE:

"Not under "defense." Katrina wasn't "defense." The California earthquake wasn't "defense." Hurricanes are not "defense." Grow up."


AND

"The cost of steel affects our national defense, so we can nationalize the steel industry under defense. And again, people are murdering children by aborting them, we can ban abortions as defense."



...The Business of Government is to Promote Happiness or Business Page 11 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum


YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP *SHAKING HEAD*

 

[ScienceRocks]

ot under "defense." Katrina wasn't "defense." The California earthquake wasn't "defense." Hurricanes are not "defense." Grow up.

The Pentagon currently argues climate change represents a "threat multiplier" possessing the power to "exacerbate" many defense challenges faced by the US today. Unless you are claiming the founders knew better two hundred years ago, how else would empirical phenomena like changing precipitation patterns, rising sea levels, and more extreme weather events be viewed if not as threats to national defense?
Pentagon Climate change a national security threat TheHill

The cost of steel affects our national defense, so we can nationalize the steel industry under defense. And again, people are murdering children by aborting them, we can ban abortions as defense.

No, defense means to defend our borders and Americans from foreign threats.

KAZ WROTE:

"Not under "defense." Katrina wasn't "defense." The California earthquake wasn't "defense." Hurricanes are not "defense." Grow up."


AND

"The cost of steel affects our national defense, so we can nationalize the steel industry under defense. And again, people are murdering children by aborting them, we can ban abortions as defense."



...The Business of Government is to Promote Happiness or Business Page 11 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum


YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP *SHAKING HEAD*

These people really feel that the government should aid its own fucking people. Not even haiti sits back and does nothing.

I hate losertrians.

 

[Dad2three]

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We're not going to be able to turn America into Sweden, gang.

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How about Germany?


The US is still very young compared to European nations who recognize that following conservative policy, doesn't help the VAST majority of it's citizens., That's why SOOO many have forms of Democratic socialism and don't create the amount of super wealthy like the US while leaving everyone else behind. America's just a toddler still. Once we can marginalize conservatives and their ideology, the US will become more like the society the Founders wished!

 

[Dad2three]

Wrong. The free rider problem can be eliminated simply by changing your business model.

In the same way Utilitarianism can be interpreted to preclude the Nazi perversion of eugenics.

That's the problem with utilitarianism: it can be interpreted any way you want. The Nazis justified putting Jews into gas ovens on the basis that it was for the greatest good for the greatest number.

"The Nazis justified putting Jews into gas ovens on the basis that it was for the greatest good for the greatest number."

LMAOROG


I wish they stuck with conservatives/capitalist!

 

[Dad2three]

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Reality check. Lines for diapers and toilet paper in the Socialist paradise of Venezuela...

In shortages-hit Venezuela lining up becomes a profession Reuters

You mean 3rd world nation? How about the libertarian paradise of Somalia? lol

 

[Dad2three]

Third World shitholes need our tax dollars now, before its too late !!!!!!

No worries, conservatives and their economic policies has shifted the US towards a 3rd world nation for 30+ years now

 

[Dad2three]

For Jeremy Bentham the answer was happiness which he defined as the overall happiness created for everyone affected by an action.
"I. The business of government is to promote the happiness of the society, by punishing and rewarding. That part of its business which consists in punishing, is more particularly the subject of penal law. In proportion as an act tends to disturb that happiness, in proportion as the tendency of it is pernicious, will be the demand it creates for punishment. What happiness consists of we have already seen: enjoyment of pleasures, security from pains."
Jeremy Bentham An Introduction to the Principles of Morals and Legislation Chapter VII Library of Economics and Liberty

The business of government is to do neither. It should simply keep its nose out of everyone's business. It's job is to protect us from predators, foreign and domestic, and to resolve disputes via the court system. That's all it's supposed to do.

"The business of government is to do neither. It should simply keep its nose out of everyone's business."


(Re-)Introducing: The American School of Economics


When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.




Closely related to mercantilism, it can be seen as contrary to classical economics. It consisted of these three core policies:

1. protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)
2. government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)
3. a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation

It is a capitalist economic school based on the Hamiltonian economic program


Frank Bourgin's 1989 study of the Constitutional Convention shows that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founders.


The goal, most forcefully articulated by Hamilton, was to ensure that dearly won political independence was not lost by being economically and financially dependent on the powers and princes of Europe. The creation of a strong central government able to promote science, invention, industry and commerce, was seen as an essential means of promoting the general welfare and making the economy of the United States strong enough for them to determine their own destiny

American School economics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


Libertarians are frauds