Zone1 The biggest difference between Catholicism and Protestantism.

[Donald H]

So logically that account must have been trying to say something else. So why are you so fixated by the literal account?

We've at least come to an understanding that we can LOL together about stories such as the big fish and Jonah story.

I wish I could progress that far with most of the others.

To their credit, most of them aren't buying it, but are not yet ready to say so. So what should I think they believe?

let's leave it at that for us. We can LOL together now that you've brought me up to speed on the bible bullsh-t.

 

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We've at least come to an understanding that we can LOL together about stories such as the big fish and Jonah story.

I wish I could progress that far with most of the others.

To their credit, most of them aren't buying it, but are not yet ready to say so. So what should I think they believe?

let's leave it at that for us. We can LOL together now that you've brought me up to speed on the bible bullsh-t.

It's unlikely that you and I will come to terms on anything. The Bible is not bullshit. It's beyond your ability to comprehend. You are just as bad - if not worse - than the people you are trying to ridicule. You are either an idiot or a subversive. Take your pick.

 

[Donald H]

It's unlikely that you and I will come to terms on anything. The Bible is not bullshit. It's beyond your ability to comprehend. You are just as bad - if not worse - than the people you are trying to ridicule. You are either an idiot or a subversive. Take your pick.

Since your offer of enlightenment on the bibles, I've come to accept both versions of the truth. The 'big fish and Jonah' is literally true and is a bullshit parable.

And furthermore my friend, a Catholic is permitted by his church to believe both stories and so why can't an atheist?

 

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Since your offer of enlightenment on the bibles, I've come to accept both versions of the truth. The 'big fish and Jonah' is literally true and is a bullshit parable. And furthermore my friend, a Catholic is permitted by his church to believe both stories and so why can't an atheist?

You mean besides it's illogical to believe both when you believe neither? Maybe try restating that more accurately. Something like use both to further your religion of militant atheism. You aren't different from the fundamentalist you mock. You're just a different flavor.

 

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a Catholic is permitted by his church to believe both

Either. Not both. That would be illogical or in your case disingenuous.

 

[Donald H]

You mean besides it's illogical to believe both when you believe neither?

Good point my friend on that which is illogical.

Maybe try restating that more accurately. Something like use both to further your religion of militant atheism. You aren't different from the fundamentalist you mock. You're just a different flavor.

I'm always tolerant of your beliefs and I've demonstrated that to be so. For the sake of not being intolerant I can say that I'm accepting both of your contrasting opinions.

To tell you what I honestly believe would be intolerant for no good reason.

That works for the Pope and the leading authorities in the Vatican too. They only believe one version but they publicly remain tolerant of both. Tolerance of the Catholic church is a very commendable trait!

They even know unequivocally that most priests are fkng their altar boys, but save hard feelings of others by not proclaiming it so!

 

[The Irish Ram]

Not if he was already dead before he got to a tomb of course..

You can believe the big fish story if you want. You have company on this board.

Do you believe in God?

 

[Donald H]

Do you believe in God?

It's not conducive to polite discussion to answer to your baiting. IMO you have established a reputation as a complete fkn a-shole.

 

[Donald H]

Either. Not both. That would be illogical or in your case disingenuous.

No, to believe 'either' would be suggesting that you reject one choice.

The Catholic church has proclaimed that you shouldn't do that!

For example, your church has told you that you can believe that Jonah fell overboard and a Sperm whale bit his ass, but he was rescued the same day.

That can work for me because of my tolerance toward Christians. We don't have to get into debating the details!

So the moral of the story is that Meri and I can discuss and politely exchange ideas, while you come across as a petulant child to almost everybody. Please reconsider?

 

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Good point my friend on that which is illogical.

I'm always tolerant of your beliefs and I've demonstrated that to be so. For the sake of not being intolerant I can say that I'm accepting both of your contrasting opinions.

To tell you what I honestly believe would be intolerant for no good reason.

That works for the Pope and the leading authorities in the Vatican too. They only believe one version but they publicly remain tolerant of both. Tolerance of the Catholic church is a very commendable trait!

They even know unequivocally that most priests are fkng their altar boys, but save hard feelings of others by not proclaiming it so!

How would you respond to someone whose job was to mock your beliefs?

Asking for a friend.

 

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It's not conducive to polite discussion to answer to your baiting. IMO you have established a reputation as a complete fkn a-shole.

She asked a fair question. And you shouldn't be throwing stones when you live in a glass house.

 

[ding]

No, to believe 'either' would be suggesting that you reject one choice.

Yes. That's usually how it works.

 

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The Catholic church has proclaimed that you shouldn't do that!

For example, your church has told you that you can believe that Jonah fell overboard and a Sperm whale bit his ass, but he was rescued the same day.

That can work for me because of my tolerance toward Christians. We don't have to get into debating the details!

So the moral of the story is that Meri and I can discuss and politely exchange ideas, while you come across as a petulant child to almost everybody. Please reconsider?

Before I respond to this I have to ask you if you really want me to respond to this? It won't go well for you if I do.

 

[Donald H]

Before I respond to this I have to ask you if you really want me to respond to this? It won't go well for you if I do.

Or the big fish spit him out. My point is, tolerance has solved nearly all of our differences.

If you're still on board with sending babies to firelake, we'll never find common ground!

 

[The Irish Ram]

"To the ends of the earth".

"Peter's church" in Jerusalem and the Catholic faith are synonymous. Your claim is ridiculous, The Catholic faith did not spring from non one into Rome. Jesus said to spread the Gospel to the ends of the earth. He did not say, "only in Jerusalem".

Also worth noting: Most scholars agree that 1 Peter 5:13 is reliable evidence that Peter, at one time, lived in Rome.

Actually, Jesus also said this:
Matthew 10: 5-6 Jesus, on calling the Twelve, had directly instructed them, “Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel”
Peter's church in Jerusalem converted Jews. It had nothing whatsoever to do with Catholicism. Christianity was legitimized by Constantine's mother, Helen. Peter was long dead when that happened. In fact, it was determined that Peter and Paul go in different directions because they disagreed on protocol.

If there was a Catholic Church, you have to explain why all the churches that Peter and Paul and other disciples started are recognized in scripture, but the Catholic Church was completely ignored by Christ. The reason it was ignored was because it didn't exist.

 

[The Irish Ram]

That which is common sense to you and me is blasphemy to other true or hard core believers. Who was it that offered proof that a man could live for 3 days in a whale's belly and then come out only slightly bleached

Find the scripture that says a whale swallowed Jonah. Whale's throats are about as big as a large orange.
The Leviathan that swallowed Jonah was specifically prepared by God to keep Jonah alive before being puked out by the fish. If God can create a universe, He can prepare a fish...

 

[Donald H]

Find the scripture that says a whale swallowed Jonah. Whale's throats are about as big as a large orange.
The Leviathan that swallowed Jonah was specifically prepared by God to keep Jonah alive before being puked out by the fish. If God can create a universe, He can prepare a fish...

We will add your version to the list.

 

[Meriweather]

Actually, Jesus also said this:
Matthew 10: 5-6 Jesus, on calling the Twelve, had directly instructed them, “Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel”
Peter's church in Jerusalem converted Jews. It had nothing whatsoever to do with Catholicism. Christianity was legitimized by Constantine's mother, Helen. Peter was long dead when that happened. In fact, it was determined that Peter and Paul go in different directions because they disagreed on protocol.

If there was a Catholic Church, you have to explain why all the churches that Peter and Paul and other disciples started are recognized in scripture, but the Catholic Church was completely ignored by Christ. The reason it was ignored was because it didn't exist.

1. What direction did Jesus give after his resurrection?
2. If you are going solely by the list of churches John listed in Revelation, the church in Jerusalem must not have existed either.
3. The Church was in Rome by 50. It was also in Carthage, Alexandria, Damascus, Babylon, and Antioch to name a few more not listed in Revelation. The Church was open to all, and the word describing this was 'catholic'. It was even spreading outside the Roman Empire.

Perhaps explain why you are so frustrated that this spreading church/religion was called "open to all" or in the word used back then, 'katholikos' and 'catholicus' and/or perhaps why after the 1500s your continued annoyance with those who called themselves catholic. According to the Catholic faith, Jesus told Peter, "You are rock, and upon this rock I will build my church" which is why the katholikos/catholicus from the earliest times traced their origins back to Jesus and Peter.

You even declare there was no church in Rome for three hundred years! Something is truly bothering you. What, specifically, is that?

 

[The Irish Ram]

We will add your version to the list.

Thanks. Add also, that no where in the Bible does it say that Jonah survived being swallowed by a fish. How long was Lazuruas dead before Christ raised him up? Could God raise Jonah after 3 days? Just like He did Jesus?

Here's what Jonah said about it:
"But you, O Lord my God, snatched me from the jaws of death!” The earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption [death], O Lord my God.

Then there is the oxygen problem. Except many fish has air sacs, swim bladders, and lungs. There are fish big enough for a man to walk around in its stomach. Foul and unpleasant, for sure. Being stuck in a sewer would be unpleasant too, but if there was air, you'd survive it.
Thanks, again...

 

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Or the big fish spit him out. My point is, tolerance has solved nearly all of our differences.

If you're still on board with sending babies to firelake, we'll never find common ground!

So that's a yes, you do want me to respond?