Zone1 The Best Evidence For The Resurrection

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Well you thought that I was a man!

Which makes it even more strange that you are making a big deal about it now. Just do what I did.

What about?

Everything.

She is being very coy about demonstrating her knowledge.

I disagree.

Trying to reconcile two contradictory birth narratives so that the story is not challenged strikes me as showing a degree of desperation.

Google is your friend.

I do not use AI. I have books.

Concerning the allegations about a census in 14 CE or that the census in 6 CE was the second and that Herod the Great had conducted one earlier are all historical nonsense that various Christian theologians and/or historians have tried to apply in order to explain the author of how Matthew tells us that

In the time of King Herod, after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea,

And the author of Luke writes that:

In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered.....Joseph also went from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to the city of David called Bethlehem, because he was descended from the house and family of David....;While they were there, the time came for her to deliver her child. 7 And she gave birth to her firstborn son

There is a ten year gap between the reign of Herod the Great ending and Augustus ordering the census after Judaea had been taken into direct Roman control.

And more to the point, as a Galilean subject of Herod Antipas Joseph would not have been involved in a census conducted in another province that was ruled by Rome

You don't use google AI because google AI does not support your beliefs.

 

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Not from the outset.

The historical record as documented in the NT says otherwise.

 

[Hypatia415]

It's called deductive logic.

The NT is the historical record.

It's called deductive logic.

The NT is the historical record.

Perhaps you might address this question.

As you keep reiterating the above, define the term "God" as you understand it.

 

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Perhaps you might address this question.

God is every extant attribute of reality.

The extant attributes of reality are positive attributes (love, truth, logic, order, harmony, compassion, etc.). The negative attributes (hate, lies, irrational, chaos, discord, cruelty, etc.) are the negation of the positive attributes and can only exist as the absence of the positive attribute. Ergo the negation of positive attributes does not exist unto itself and are therefore, not extant. In other words, they don't exist. So if you are like me and most monotheistic/henotheistic religions, you believe that God is the ultimate existence and the source of all other existences, then you would believe that the ultimate existence has imbued all other existences with the extant attributes of reality because that existence is those extant attributes of reality. Mind you I am not saying the ultimate existence has those attributes. I am saying the ultimate existence IS those attributes. So maybe in the future, use this perception of God before you start shitting on God. Because when you shit on God, you are shitting on love, truth, logic, order, harmony, compassion, etc. One of my biggest complaints with atheists is that they have no perception of God that is reasonable. So of course they stand no chance of discovering God.

 

[Hypatia415]

God is every extant attribute of reality.

The extant attributes of reality are positive attributes (love, truth, logic, order, harmony, compassion, etc.). The negative attributes (hate, lies, irrational, chaos, discord, cruelty, etc.) are the negation of the positive attributes and can only exist as the absence of the positive attribute.

That rather rules out the Jesus figures of the Synoptics them

And it goes no further to proving your claim that the followers of the man worshipped him as a god.

 

[BreezeWood]

Sure there is. The first Christians - who were Jews - began worshipping Jesus as God because of the miracles they saw him perform, the words they heard him speak and their meeting the risen Christ who rose from the dead. See how simple that was.

there in lies your error - jesus during the 1st century events is never worshiped as both knew perfectly well the heavens are a place of freedom and equality -

and is the basis for their repudiation of judaism, the 1st century events that is what attracted them to jesus a true heaven on earth.

 

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there in lies your error - jesus during the 1st century events is never worshiped...

The historical record says otherwise, but feel free to explain when and why you believe people began worshipping Jesus as God. Other than me you'll be the first to do it.

 

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That rather rules out the Jesus figures of the Synoptics them

And it goes no further to proving your claim that the followers of the man worshipped him as a god.

Sweetie, you can't explain it because you have no good explanation for when and why people began worshipping Jesus as God. Run along.

 

[Hypatia415]

Sweetie, you can't explain it because you have no good explanation for when and why people began worshipping Jesus as God. Run along.

Your inability to address my points is duly noted.

 

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Your inability to address my points is duly noted.

Says the atheist that can't explain when, how and why Jesus was first worshipped as God or explain why the NT portrays it as an historical event.

 

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Your inability to address my points is duly noted.

Your points are meaningless. You aren't addressing the 800lb elephant in the room. If the NT portrays the divinity of Christ as an historical event - and it's not correct - how do you explain when, how and why people began worshipping Jesus as God?

And then, how do you explain the NT being written that way?

Are all atheists devoid of logic?

 

[BreezeWood]

The historical record says otherwise ...

there are no contemporary historical records that include jesus - during the 1st century events - nor any contemporary artifact discerning worship for a wayward religious tenant during the same period being an equally convincing argument.

as the reason jesus gained the notoriety that eventually led to their crucifixion is their appeal to set ones spirit free, the religion of antiquity to be beholding to no one through self determination, liberation theology - not found in any desert religion, judaism their admirers found to attain admission to the everlasting by their own accord.

 

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there are no contemporary historical records that include jesus - during the 1st century events - nor any contemporary artifact discerning worship for a wayward religious tenant during the same period being an equally convincing argument.

as the reason jesus gained the notoriety that eventually led to their crucifixion is their appeal to set ones spirit free, the religion of antiquity to be beholding to no one through self determination, liberation theology - not found in any desert religion, judaism their admirers found to attain admission to the everlasting by their own accord.

It's called the NT. Maybe you have heard of it. It's the historical record of Christianity and it explains why Jesus is worshipped as God. If you have some other explanation for when and why Jesus was first worshipped as God, I'd love to hear it.

 

[BreezeWood]

It's called the NT. Maybe you have heard of it. It's the historical record of Christianity and it explains why Jesus is worshipped as God. If you have some other explanation for when and why Jesus was first worshipped as God, I'd love to hear it.

there are no contemporary historical records that include jesus -

non verified record of claimed christianity.

jesus is never worship during their three year pilgrimage by anyone nor did jesus claim that would be appropriate and accepted crucifixion as they would not make such a claim to appease their assailants.

the 4th century christian bible has no preserved records, appendix containing the documents they used to write their bible saved for the purpose of verification making all their claims void of any historical or real value.

 

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non verified record of claimed christianity.

jesus is never worship during their three year pilgrimage by anyone nor did jesus claim that would be appropriate and accepted crucifixion as they would not make such a claim to appease their assailants.

the 4th century christian bible has no preserved records, appendix containing the documents they used to write their bible saved for the purpose of verification making all their claims void of any historical or real value.

Read what I wrote. When you can address that, we can talk.

 

[BreezeWood]

Read what I wrote. When you can address that, we can talk.

the issue is not to leave you to worshiping your phony christian bible - its the recorded history of persecution and victimization of the innocent those bibles are responsible for without interruption or remorse by those perpetrators - bing ... as the reason for discourse.

 

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the issue is not to leave you to worshiping your phony christian bible - its the recorded history of persecution and victimization of the innocent those bibles are responsible for without interruption or remorse by those perpetrators - bing ... as the reason for discourse.

I guess you couldn't provide an alternate explanation either. I guess I'll just have to stick with the NT is the historical record of Christianity and explains why Jesus is worshipped as God.

 

[Chuz Life]

Being agnostic, I don't have any skin in the "resurrection real or fake" debate.

My POV is "what harm is there in just letting people believe what they want to about it?"

 

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the issue is not to leave you to worshiping your phony christian bible

I worship God. I don't worship a book.

 

[BreezeWood]

Being agnostic, I don't have any skin in the "resurrection real or fake" debate.

My POV is "what harm is there in just letting people believe what they want to about it?"

its the recorded history of persecution and victimization of the innocent those bibles are responsible for without interruption or remorse by those perpetrators ...

really - how about the simple truth concerning the bible belt, desert religions ...

who's not letting people believe what they want to believe ... how is being agnostic an excuse not to be involved dealing with religious tyranny.