Zone1 The Best Evidence For The Resurrection

[GLASNOST]

Witnesses from Biblical times are not living today.

There never were any witneses to any resurrection. Still today there are none. Zilch.

 

[Hypatia415]

That's not disagreeing with me.

I wrote:

Point of information, the early Israelites were not Jews.

Certainly the excuse of divinely ordained massacres is an invention and of course those Hebrew texts were all redacted post Exile

If you want to challenge that feel free.

However, the Hebrew bible is an anthology of various different genres ranging from law codes, through wisdom literature, via stories, the chronologies of various kings, some of whom may never have existed, right down to Hebrew erotic poetry.

 

[Hypatia415]

That's not an explanation for how, when or why Jesus was worshipped as God.

As you keep reiterating the above, define the term "God" as you understand it.

 

[BreezeWood]

However, the Hebrew bible is an anthology of various different genres ranging from law codes, through wisdom literature, via stories, the chronologies of various kings, some of whom may never have existed, right down to Hebrew erotic poetry.

That's not an explanation for how, when or why Jesus was worshipped as God.

As you keep reiterating the above, define the term "God" as you understand it.

oddly, the hebrew bible above is void of its religious content exemplified by their false commandments that does constitute a jewish religion ...

steaming its content to how when and why christianity evolved their messianic religion to conclude their messiah is actually their concept of the one god found in their bible they also conclude as the same god as that of judaism.

monotheism in fact taught by jesus, supported by the 1st century events represents all in the heavens are equal where a single god is no different than all others in residence.

so how when and why a christian claims their messiah to be a god is no different than when any notoriety is so designated simply as being a resident of the heavens.

is essentially what the 1st century events stood for at that time and in repudiation of judaism and the ensuing other two desert religions to follow.

- a failed attempt yet an attempt still alive today for some, monotheism is all who reside in the heavens are equal. u s constitution - the true believers.

 

[Hypatia415]

oddly, the hebrew bible above is void of its religious content exemplified by their false commandments that does constitute a jewish religion ...

steaming its content to how when and why christianity evolved their messianic religion to conclude their messiah is actually their concept of the one god found in their bible they also conclude as the same god as that of judaism.

monotheism in fact taught by jesus, supported by the 1st century events represents all in the heavens are equal where a single god is no different than all others in residence.

so how when and why a christian claims their messiah to be a god is no different than when any notoriety is so designated simply as being a resident of the heavens.

is essentially what the 1st century events stood for at that time and in repudiation of judaism and the ensuing other two desert religions to follow.

- a failed attempt yet an attempt still alive today for some, monotheism is all who reside in the heavens are equal. u s constitution - the true believers.

None of that makes any sense, at least to me.

 

[Meriweather]

I have never met and do not know the actual Meriweather. Just as you do not know the actual Hypatia415.

So far we are equal.

All without knowing me, you describe me as patronizing, so you have reached a conclusion about me. I have reached no conclusions about you.

The Christian religion has had a profound historical influence on Western society therefore, although I do not believe in any supernatural entities I am very interested in the religion that underpins many of our cultural attitudes.

My question was not about your interest in historical influences, buy why, in the process, there is the need to bash Christianity.

 

[Hypatia415]

All without knowing me, you describe me as patronizing, so you have reached a conclusion about me.

I responded to what you wrote. You suggested that you were the expert and I was the tyro.

My question was not about your interest in historical influences, buy why, in the process, there is the need to bash Christianity.

Did you not read what I wrote? I am not bashing Christianity I simply challenge those Christians who try to present their beliefs premised on much later texts by unknown authors who never knew the human man we call Jesus of Nazareth, as if what those authors wrote is all unquestionable fact

 

[Meriweather]

I responded to what you wrote. You suggested that you were the expert and I was the tyro.

Did you not read what I wrote? I am not bashing Christianity I simply challenge those Christians who try to present their beliefs premised on much later texts by unknown authors who never knew the human man we call Jesus of Nazareth, as if what those authors wrote is all unquestionable fact

I am not an expert, so I could not have made that suggestion. I did state right out my own studies/research have been ongoing for sixty years. I don't even know what a 'tyro' is, so I could not have suggested that either.

Very well: Why are you here challenging Christians? Why not challenge those who agree that Christian beliefs/teachings do not come from Christ and the Apostles?

 

[BreezeWood]

The Best Evidence For The Resurrection​

Very well: Why are you here challenging Christians? Why not challenge those who agree that Christian beliefs/teachings do not come from Christ and the Apostles?

have you offered any contemporary, verifiable evidence for a historical once only resurrection three days after their death who preferred crucifixion than forced admission to the accusations made by their assailants accusing them of claiming to be a jewish messiah they never claimed once throughout their pilgrimage.

why do you not support those who supported jesus throughout their attempt to reform judaism from their false heavenly personifications and work to renew the original religion of antiquity taught by jesus and those events using liberation theology, self determination to accomplish their goals.

 

[BreezeWood]

oddly, the hebrew bible above is void of its religious content exemplified by their false commandments that does constitute a jewish religion ...

None of that makes any sense, at least to me.

not an avid reader of judaism literature nor any of the desert religions, forgeries lies and fallacies on nearly every page gives lite to their recorded histories and an unwillingness to read further - however to deny judaism as a religion does seem a bit of a stretch.

 

[GLASNOST]

..... to deny judaism as a religion does seem a bit of a stretch.

One hell of a stretch!

 

[Hypatia415]

not an avid reader of judaism literature nor any of the desert religions, forgeries lies and fallacies on nearly every page gives lite to their recorded histories and an unwillingness to read further - however to deny judaism as a religion does seem a bit of a stretch.

Who is denying Judaism as a religion?

 

[Hypatia415]

I am not an expert, so I could not have made that suggestion. I did state right out my own studies/research have been ongoing for sixty years. I don't even know what a 'tyro' is, so I could not have suggested that either.

Very well: Why are you here challenging Christians? Why not challenge those who agree that Christian beliefs/teachings do not come from Christ and the Apostles?

I wonder, given your concerns, that you do not subscribe to a specifically Christian discussion site.

This USMB site is open to all. Its owners decided to have a religion and ethics board. That most religious Americans are of the Christian persuasion has led to this board being dominated by Christian contributors and their views. That inevitably leads to others, like myself, questioning and/or challenging what those Christians write.

 

[BreezeWood]

However, the Hebrew bible is an anthology of various different genres ranging from law codes, through wisdom literature, via stories, the chronologies of various kings, some of whom may never have existed, right down to Hebrew erotic poetry.

Who is denying Judaism as a religion?

who wrote the post ...

where then are their phony heavenly commandments claimed by the liar and murder moses who destroyed the heavenly etched stone tablets before ever being witnessed by anyone than themself - to reappear mysteriously in all three desert bibles - religions.

 

[Meriweather]

I wonder, given your concerns, that you do not subscribe to a specifically Christian discussion site.

This USMB site is open to all. Its owners decided to have a religion and ethics board. That most religious Americans are of the Christian persuasion has led to this board being dominated by Christian contributors and their views. That inevitably leads to others, like myself, questioning and/or challenging what those Christians write.

Sigh. Try to understand. Questions are great. Did you know the etymological root of 'challenge' is false representation?

 

[Hypatia415]

Sigh. Try to understand. Questions are great. Did you know the etymological root of 'challenge' is false representation?

From the Latin root: to accuse falsely, misrepresent, slander . However, no one has been slandered/libelled and no one has been falsely accused.

 

[Meriweather]

From the Latin root: to accuse falsely, misrepresent, slander . However, no one has been slandered/libelled and no one has been falsely accused.

I do not believe you have slandered/libeled any person, but Christianity as a faith whose purpose is to connect people with God who loves all. It seems the purpose of your posts is not to ask questions, but to undermine Christianity. Questions are great, especially the difficult ones. If the purpose is to slander, then I find nothing great in that, but I do wonder what prompts the slander. You have said you are searching for truth. I doubt very much truth can be found through slander, but rather an honest curiosity on what formed Christianity as it is today. Truth is why Christians practice faith today. As you may have seen in your own studies that while the core of the Christian faith is to walk the narrow way, from the beginning there has been that aspiration to broaden this into other purposes.

 

[Hypatia415]

I do not believe you have slandered/libeled any person, but Christianity as a faith whose purpose is to connect people with God who loves all. It seems the purpose of your posts is not to ask questions, but to undermine Christianity. Questions are great, especially the difficult ones. If the purpose is to slander, then I find nothing great in that, but I do wonder what prompts the slander. You have said you are searching for truth. I doubt very much truth can be found through slander, but rather an honest curiosity on what formed Christianity as it is today. Truth is why Christians practice faith today. As you may have seen in your own studies that while the core of the Christian faith is to walk the narrow way, from the beginning there has been that aspiration to broaden this into other purposes.

Correction. I have never written that I am searching for truth. I have written that I assess the Christian texts as I would any other ancient literary sources and that my interests are with the known historical events and not later Christology and theology.

 

[ding]

There is no simple explanation for your question.

Sure there is. The first Christians - who were Jews - began worshipping Jesus as God because of the miracles they saw him perform, the words they heard him speak and their meeting the risen Christ who rose from the dead. See how simple that was.

That seems to be something that irks you.

No. It irks you because you can't explain why, when or how they began worshipping Jesus as God or why the NT makes a concerted effort to portray the resurrection as an historical event.

That some held this figure to be divine does not automatically indicate they believed it to be God. Even the concept of co-equality with the Father took a long time to be established and only then with the support of the emperor.

The NT said they did. Tradition said they did. And today 2 billion people believe it because they did.

 

[ding]

Yet more consummate arrogance from you. Now you are claiming to have ESP.

It's called deductive logic.

Nor are you using facts. You are referring to texts which contain certain narratives that cannot be confirmed by attested historical evidence.

The NT is the historical record.