Zone1 The Best Evidence For The Resurrection

[ding]

What monumental arrogance you display.

The Hebrew bible is the bible for Jews.

Written by Jews for Jews. It's literally full of Jewish embellishments. There's nothing arrogant about that statement. It's reality. You're an atheist so must believe the OT was written by Jews for Jews and is full of Jewish embellishments.

 

[ding]

Oh yes it can.

Then say it and let's find out.

I say the first Christians worshipped Jesus as God because they witnessed and experienced the divinity of Christ firsthand. What's your explanation? That they were tricked into doing it?

 

[SweetSue92]

Yes it is and what evidence are you going to present to show us all that the two passages in Mark and Matthew refer to different events?

Look up "lost sheep of Israel"....geez

 

[SweetSue92]

What monumental arrogance you display.

The Hebrew bible is the bible for Jews.

Referring to the Mark verse, I'm wiping the dust from my sandals of you. Just another European here with an obvious hatred of Christianity, ho hum, seen it a thousand times before.

 

[ding]

I am mocking you.

Why are you mocking Merriweather?

 

[ding]

Referring to the Mark verse, I'm wiping the dust from my sandals of you. Just another European here with an obvious hatred of Christianity, ho hum, seen it a thousand times before.

Hey, you're a mod!!! Cool.

 

[BreezeWood]

But of course it's not murder. He who created life alone can take it, anytime for any purpose, as the sculptor can destroy his creation.

is that true of infanticide as well - or anything created, they believe their right to destroy being theirs by faith - the desert dwellers.

as paterfamilias another warm and cherry addiction used by the three desert religions to regiment childhood to their way of persuasion.

 

[BreezeWood]

Who said anything about 3 years? I didn't. Paul's epistles do a good job of documenting the beliefs and traditions of the early Christians. Despite what some may believe, Paul's epistles are a historical record based upon historical facts and make perfect sense in light of the resurrection of Christ.

its heart warming your (christians) who worship a false messiah are not those that experienced the 1st century events, jesus's pilgrimage with him the repudiation of judaism et al and their enlightenment meant for all, liberation theology, self determination.

only after the crucifixion did christianity evolve as jesus died than appease the jews claim they were a messiah.

 

[BreezeWood]

while 'staff' is a weapon of defense and authority, a walking stick is a simple stick used for support, balance while walking.

as one who rises with a morning hike and the same in the evening the true staff is both and a comfort to have ...

 

[BreezeWood]

No. That's not why they worshipped Jesus as God. They worshipped Jesus as God because of what he said and did.

you mean it culminated in their 4th century bible a script of their own making without the inclusion of anything offered directly by jesus included in their bible.

as a statement in itself - they were crucified before their inclination to put to text what would surly have been even more dangerous for them than what were the accusations that did eventually take their life. the false religion / personification of the heavens of judaism.

their madeup commandments used to persecute and victimize the innocent - by stone throwing jews.

 

[BreezeWood]

Just another European here with an obvious hatred of Christianity,

is that a guess ... can't be all wrong being european if as you claim they are not a desert dweller.

 

[Hypatia415]

Then say it and let's find out.

I say the first Christians worshipped Jesus as God because they witnessed and experienced the divinity of Christ firsthand. What's your explanation? That they were tricked into doing it?

These texts were written by educated individuals from different parts of the Graeco-Roman world and who never knew the man or those who knew him.

They are all also late. The earliest gospel, Mark, is generally dated to around 70 CE. Following the First Jewish War all evidence of the members of the sect that followed Jesus of Nazareth had disappeared.

 

[Hypatia415]

God never ordered a genocide. That was Jewish embellishment to show that God was on their side.

Point of information, the early Israelites were not Jews.

Certainly the excuse of divinely ordained massacres is an invention and of course those Hebrew texts were all redacted post Exile but none of that denies the horrors of ancient warfare, rapine, and the taking of captives as slaves

You're an atheist so even you don't believe God gave anyone an order to commit genocide, so therefore you must believe that that was Jewish embellishment to show that God was on their side.

I approach these texts in precisely the same that any other ancient text would be assessed.

 

[Hypatia415]

It has nothing to do with shyness, only a teacher's knowledge/experience that students learn best by their own discoveries, not receiving information passively.

Oh come now, you can cease the attempt to patronise. I am fully aware of the nonsense that has been presented in the theological struggles to reconcile the two birth narratives. However, your contention:

I've done my research, so I know what's out there.

Strongly suggest it is to those various sites and/or opinions to which you allude.

I also note you ignored my comments on the text of Matthew and the historical situation

 

[Hypatia415]

No. That's not why they worshipped Jesus as God. They worshipped Jesus as God because of what he said and did.

You are retrojecting Hellenistic ideas about anthropogenic deities along with texts that are post 70 CE and later back to observant Jews in the late 20s and 30s CE.

Nor was Jesus the only charismatic Jew who was believed to be able to perform miracles. The same was believed of Honi the Circle Maker and Hanina ben Dosa. Neither was ever believed to be divine.

 

[Hypatia415]

Why are you mocking Merriweather?

Because he is one of those who desperately attempts to reconcile two contradictory birth narratives.

 

[SweetSue92]

Hey, you're a mod!!! Cool.

Yes I was drafted/conscripted? Heh, j/k. Imma try to be fair and sometimes keep wiping the dust

 

[DennisPTate]

Because he is one of those who desperately attempts to reconcile two contradictory birth narratives.

I personally am guilty of doing the same thing myself. I am happy at this time simply viewing that the full truth is far above my Security Clearance Level with Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.

"Cognitive Dissonance" does not have to confuse us. Even our Creator decided on a TEST to see how deep the trust of Abraham really was in his Creator?

Some of the best and most powerful evidence for the Resurrection of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus are transformed lives of modern former alcoholics, drug addicts or Witches and Warlocks.


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"And wouldn't it be interesting if Messianic Rabbi Jonathan Cahn had the answer to this somewhat troubling question?"

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It's always nice to read some fantasy stories before work.

And wouldn't it be interesting if Messianic Rabbi Jonathan Cahn had the answer to this somewhat troubling question?

Messiah, Barabbas & the Mystery of the Two Goats | Jonathan Cahn Sermon | Resurrection Day 2025​

• DennisPTate

 

[Meriweather]

Oh come now, you can cease the attempt to patronise

I am not patronizing you. I am telling your my studies and research extend past fifty years and as far as I am concerned you can do your own because I very much doubt your interest or any benefit my research and studies will provide you. I can tell what you have studied--and what you have not. That is why I keep asking (without an answer from you) what is your purpose, your goal to continually denigrate Christianity. ding has continually provided you with information which you ignore. That's another reason why I make no attempt to provide you with any further research. Clearly, you have no wish for truth, your wish is to bash Christianity. My only interest is why you have that wish/purpose to bash.

 

[Hypatia415]

I am not patronizing you.

I think otherwise.

I am telling your my studies and research extend past fifty years and as far as I am concerned you can do your own because I very much doubt your interest or any benefit my research and studies will provide you.

As I noted, based on what you are contending it strongly suggests that you have used those various sites and/or opinions that attempt to reconcile two contradictory birth narratives..

I can tell what you have studied--and what you have not. That is why I keep asking (without an answer from you) what is your purpose, your goal to continually denigrate Christianity.

I will challenge those who claim that a belief is automatically an attested fact.

ding has continually provided you with information which you ignore.

S/he has provided various Christian apologetics sites.