The batttle for Chosin

[rightwinger]

Actually we did in fact defeat the Chinese forces badly.

Exactly....the only thing stopping a clear cut victory in Korea was leftwing politicians and leftwing state dept. riddled with soviet spies. Truman who drank way too much whisky was too fearful of a confrontation with Russia and the famous quote

Lest we forget the statement by the none to clever Omar Bradley..............'"The wrong war, at the wrong place, at the wrong time, and with the wrong enemy" is General Omar Bradley's famous rebuke in his May 15, 1951 Congressional as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to the idea of extending the Korean War into China, as proposed by General Douglas MacArthur, the commander of the U.N. ...that was just one example of the prevailing fallacious attitude of the weaklings in Washington who stabbed MacArthur in the back.

A prime example of why MacArthur got fired

He just didn’t understand the politics of the situation
We had just lost 400,000 soldiers five years earlier. The American people were not going to tolerate another meat grinder especially in a hell hole like Korea that nobody cared if they existed

We lost 50,000 in Korea because of MacArthurs arrogance

Nonsense.......what needs to be understood is why America was so weak that the communists felt emboldened to attack S. Korea?

Weak?

Who the hell wanted to get into another war less than five years after we fought WWII?

War mongers don’t care if we lose more soldiers......the American people did

Who wants to give their son for S Korea?

You do not get it and way too many are on your side....not understanding that strength deters war whilst weakness invites it.

That bullshit has gotten tens of millions needlessly killed

 

[rightwinger]

Actually we did in fact defeat the Chinese forces badly.

Exactly....the only thing stopping a clear cut victory in Korea was leftwing politicians and leftwing state dept. riddled with soviet spies. Truman who drank way too much whisky was too fearful of a confrontation with Russia and the famous quote

Lest we forget the statement by the none to clever Omar Bradley..............'"The wrong war, at the wrong place, at the wrong time, and with the wrong enemy" is General Omar Bradley's famous rebuke in his May 15, 1951 Congressional as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to the idea of extending the Korean War into China, as proposed by General Douglas MacArthur, the commander of the U.N. ...that was just one example of the prevailing fallacious attitude of the weaklings in Washington who stabbed MacArthur in the back.

A prime example of why MacArthur got fired

He just didn’t understand the politics of the situation
We had just lost 400,000 soldiers five years earlier. The American people were not going to tolerate another meat grinder especially in a hell hole like Korea that nobody cared if they existed

We lost 50,000 in Korea because of MacArthurs arrogance

Nonsense.......what needs to be understood is why America was so weak that the communists felt emboldened to attack S. Korea?

you must not have understood my previous post
here:
we lost to the communist:
Vietnam
Laos
Cambodia
Cuba
and---guess what?? the US is ok!
we didn't need to be there..it was a waste
we get involved in too much crap

Bay of Pigs--$$$$ lost
Nicaragua ???!!!

...first we are friends with and helping the Taliban/Afghanis --then we are at war over there
...first we are friends with Iran--then enemies with Iran and friends with Iraq helping Iraq fight Iran
then we go to war with Iraq !!!!!!!????!! WTF?

we need to stay out of a lot of these insignificant conflicts

Isolationism is the most dangerous of all possible foreign policies. A brief history of American isolationism

You gotta pick your fights

The gung-ho gotta kill the commie wars were not worth it

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Exactly....the only thing stopping a clear cut victory in Korea was leftwing politicians and leftwing state dept. riddled with soviet spies. Truman who drank way too much whisky was too fearful of a confrontation with Russia and the famous quote

Lest we forget the statement by the none to clever Omar Bradley..............'"The wrong war, at the wrong place, at the wrong time, and with the wrong enemy" is General Omar Bradley's famous rebuke in his May 15, 1951 Congressional as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to the idea of extending the Korean War into China, as proposed by General Douglas MacArthur, the commander of the U.N. ...that was just one example of the prevailing fallacious attitude of the weaklings in Washington who stabbed MacArthur in the back.

A prime example of why MacArthur got fired

He just didn’t understand the politics of the situation
We had just lost 400,000 soldiers five years earlier. The American people were not going to tolerate another meat grinder especially in a hell hole like Korea that nobody cared if they existed

We lost 50,000 in Korea because of MacArthurs arrogance

Nonsense.......what needs to be understood is why America was so weak that the communists felt emboldened to attack S. Korea?

you must not have understood my previous post
here:
we lost to the communist:
Vietnam
Laos
Cambodia
Cuba
and---guess what?? the US is ok!
we didn't need to be there..it was a waste
we get involved in too much crap

Bay of Pigs--$$$$ lost
Nicaragua ???!!!

...first we are friends with and helping the Taliban/Afghanis --then we are at war over there
...first we are friends with Iran--then enemies with Iran and friends with Iraq helping Iraq fight Iran
then we go to war with Iraq !!!!!!!????!! WTF?

we need to stay out of a lot of these insignificant conflicts

Isolationism is the most dangerous of all possible foreign policies. A brief history of American isolationism

You gotta pick your fights

The gung-ho gotta kill the commie wars were not worth it

Our intelligence has failed us many times....we need better intelligence agencies for sure. Communism during the fifties and sixties was an aggressive ideology that had to be dealt with....accepting a stalemate in Korea was the mistake not fighting the war. Limited war is a mistake.....as General MacArthur said....there is no substitute for victory. Likewise in Vietnam....though MacArthur advised LBJ not to get involved ...he did anyhow. Another case of attempting to fight a limited war....if we are not willing to go all out for victory then I agree we should stay out.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Exactly....the only thing stopping a clear cut victory in Korea was leftwing politicians and leftwing state dept. riddled with soviet spies. Truman who drank way too much whisky was too fearful of a confrontation with Russia and the famous quote

Lest we forget the statement by the none to clever Omar Bradley..............'"The wrong war, at the wrong place, at the wrong time, and with the wrong enemy" is General Omar Bradley's famous rebuke in his May 15, 1951 Congressional as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to the idea of extending the Korean War into China, as proposed by General Douglas MacArthur, the commander of the U.N. ...that was just one example of the prevailing fallacious attitude of the weaklings in Washington who stabbed MacArthur in the back.

A prime example of why MacArthur got fired

He just didn’t understand the politics of the situation
We had just lost 400,000 soldiers five years earlier. The American people were not going to tolerate another meat grinder especially in a hell hole like Korea that nobody cared if they existed

We lost 50,000 in Korea because of MacArthurs arrogance

Nonsense.......what needs to be understood is why America was so weak that the communists felt emboldened to attack S. Korea?

Weak?

Who the hell wanted to get into another war less than five years after we fought WWII?

War mongers don’t care if we lose more soldiers......the American people did

Who wants to give their son for S Korea?

You do not get it and way too many are on your side....not understanding that strength deters war whilst weakness invites it.

That bullshit has gotten tens of millions needlessly killed

Exactly....the only thing stopping a clear cut victory in Korea was leftwing politicians and leftwing state dept. riddled with soviet spies. Truman who drank way too much whisky was too fearful of a confrontation with Russia and the famous quote

Lest we forget the statement by the none to clever Omar Bradley..............'"The wrong war, at the wrong place, at the wrong time, and with the wrong enemy" is General Omar Bradley's famous rebuke in his May 15, 1951 Congressional as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to the idea of extending the Korean War into China, as proposed by General Douglas MacArthur, the commander of the U.N. ...that was just one example of the prevailing fallacious attitude of the weaklings in Washington who stabbed MacArthur in the back.

A prime example of why MacArthur got fired

He just didn’t understand the politics of the situation
We had just lost 400,000 soldiers five years earlier. The American people were not going to tolerate another meat grinder especially in a hell hole like Korea that nobody cared if they existed

We lost 50,000 in Korea because of MacArthurs arrogance

Nonsense.......what needs to be understood is why America was so weak that the communists felt emboldened to attack S. Korea?

Weak?

Who the hell wanted to get into another war less than five years after we fought WWII?

War mongers don’t care if we lose more soldiers......the American people did

Who wants to give their son for S Korea?

You do not get it and way too many are on your side....not understanding that strength deters war whilst weakness invites it.

That bullshit has gotten tens of millions needlessly killed

You should check your stats before you spout off................American War Deaths Throughout History

 

[rightwinger]

A prime example of why MacArthur got fired

He just didn’t understand the politics of the situation
We had just lost 400,000 soldiers five years earlier. The American people were not going to tolerate another meat grinder especially in a hell hole like Korea that nobody cared if they existed

We lost 50,000 in Korea because of MacArthurs arrogance

Nonsense.......what needs to be understood is why America was so weak that the communists felt emboldened to attack S. Korea?

you must not have understood my previous post
here:
we lost to the communist:
Vietnam
Laos
Cambodia
Cuba
and---guess what?? the US is ok!
we didn't need to be there..it was a waste
we get involved in too much crap

Bay of Pigs--$$$$ lost
Nicaragua ???!!!

...first we are friends with and helping the Taliban/Afghanis --then we are at war over there
...first we are friends with Iran--then enemies with Iran and friends with Iraq helping Iraq fight Iran
then we go to war with Iraq !!!!!!!????!! WTF?

we need to stay out of a lot of these insignificant conflicts

Isolationism is the most dangerous of all possible foreign policies. A brief history of American isolationism

You gotta pick your fights

The gung-ho gotta kill the commie wars were not worth it

Our intelligence has failed us many times....we need better intelligence agencies for sure. Communism during the fifties and sixties was an aggressive ideology that had to be dealt with....accepting a stalemate in Korea was the mistake not fighting the war. Limited war is a mistake.....as General MacArthur said....there is no substitute for victory. Likewise in Vietnam....though MacArthur advised LBJ not to get involved ...he did anyhow. Another case of attempting to fight a limited war....if we are not willing to go all out for victory then I agree we should stay out.

Most wars in history do not end in complete and total victory

Combatants tend to fight till they are either worn out or they run out of cash.

The question needs to be asked....

What are we fighting for? Not, how many do we have to have killed to win?

 

[rightwinger]

A prime example of why MacArthur got fired

He just didn’t understand the politics of the situation
We had just lost 400,000 soldiers five years earlier. The American people were not going to tolerate another meat grinder especially in a hell hole like Korea that nobody cared if they existed

We lost 50,000 in Korea because of MacArthurs arrogance

Nonsense.......what needs to be understood is why America was so weak that the communists felt emboldened to attack S. Korea?

Weak?

Who the hell wanted to get into another war less than five years after we fought WWII?

War mongers don’t care if we lose more soldiers......the American people did

Who wants to give their son for S Korea?

You do not get it and way too many are on your side....not understanding that strength deters war whilst weakness invites it.

That bullshit has gotten tens of millions needlessly killed

A prime example of why MacArthur got fired

He just didn’t understand the politics of the situation
We had just lost 400,000 soldiers five years earlier. The American people were not going to tolerate another meat grinder especially in a hell hole like Korea that nobody cared if they existed

We lost 50,000 in Korea because of MacArthurs arrogance

Nonsense.......what needs to be understood is why America was so weak that the communists felt emboldened to attack S. Korea?

Weak?

Who the hell wanted to get into another war less than five years after we fought WWII?

War mongers don’t care if we lose more soldiers......the American people did

Who wants to give their son for S Korea?

You do not get it and way too many are on your side....not understanding that strength deters war whilst weakness invites it.

That bullshit has gotten tens of millions needlessly killed

You should check your stats before you spout off................American War Deaths Throughout History

I didn’t say just the US

WWI and WWII got 50 million people killed

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Nonsense.......what needs to be understood is why America was so weak that the communists felt emboldened to attack S. Korea?

Weak?

Who the hell wanted to get into another war less than five years after we fought WWII?

War mongers don’t care if we lose more soldiers......the American people did

Who wants to give their son for S Korea?

You do not get it and way too many are on your side....not understanding that strength deters war whilst weakness invites it.

That bullshit has gotten tens of millions needlessly killed

Nonsense.......what needs to be understood is why America was so weak that the communists felt emboldened to attack S. Korea?

Weak?

Who the hell wanted to get into another war less than five years after we fought WWII?

War mongers don’t care if we lose more soldiers......the American people did

Who wants to give their son for S Korea?

You do not get it and way too many are on your side....not understanding that strength deters war whilst weakness invites it.

That bullshit has gotten tens of millions needlessly killed

You should check your stats before you spout off................American War Deaths Throughout History

I didn’t say just the US

WWI and WWII got 50 million people killed

If the allies has been stronger they could have stopped the Nazis before they even got started....again...another product of American weakness and Isolationism. Even one good intelligence agent could have gotten rid of Hitler...it was not like he was hiding what his goals were.

 

[Dan Stubbs]

This battle made our leaders understand the necessity of making sure the American Military has the capability to defend our security and interests world-wide against any enemy. A great documentary.

If we had not been in Korea in the 50's they would have take control of the whole country and made it harder to defend Japan. Many countries do not teach History of the Japan and Korean wars. I found it interesting from a Russian Student who was attending school in Tenn, Murfreesboro, that they teach in Russia that Alaska was rented to the USA for 99 years. Japan: they have not mention of the Japan war and people who visit the Naval Museum in Pensacola are wide eyed when they see a Jap zero displayed.

 

[rightwinger]

Weak?

Who the hell wanted to get into another war less than five years after we fought WWII?

War mongers don’t care if we lose more soldiers......the American people did

Who wants to give their son for S Korea?

You do not get it and way too many are on your side....not understanding that strength deters war whilst weakness invites it.

That bullshit has gotten tens of millions needlessly killed

Weak?

Who the hell wanted to get into another war less than five years after we fought WWII?

War mongers don’t care if we lose more soldiers......the American people did

Who wants to give their son for S Korea?

You do not get it and way too many are on your side....not understanding that strength deters war whilst weakness invites it.

That bullshit has gotten tens of millions needlessly killed

You should check your stats before you spout off................American War Deaths Throughout History

I didn’t say just the US

WWI and WWII got 50 million people killed

If the allies has been stronger they could have stopped the Nazis before they even got started....again...another product of American weakness and Isolationism. Even one good intelligence agent could have gotten rid of Hitler...it was not like he was hiding what his goals were.

Monday morning quarterbacking

 

[Dan Stubbs]

Truman was right to fire him

He didn't get a virgin... Mac had been fired before...

edit: ok, ok... I screwed up... I was thinking about Gen. Patton getting fored and included him in Mac's tally...

They were both fired just one time...

Mr, Polosi is in American Samoa

 

[eagle1462010]

Mac wanted to go out with a bang..........Underestimated China.

Rushed to the North without consolidating his forces for that possibility..........Got caught with his pants down.

 

[Vandalshandle]

None of the United Nations forces, including our own, had the slightest chance of defeating the Chinese forces. Our forces were all mechanized, and could only advance using roads in North Korea. Chinese forces were not, therefor they traveled and fought in the mountains and hills with mostly infantry, and some limited small artillery. They traveled at night to avoid our aircraft. They had little regard for their own lives. They attacked in waves, with the 3rd and 4th wave not even having been issued guns and ammo. They picked that up from dead soldiers. The final wave was a blocking wave with machine guns, with orders to fire at any Chinese troops retreating without orders.

Actually we did in fact defeat the Chinese forces badly.

I'll have to get in touch with my high school history teacher. He told me that the Chinese fought us to a stalemate. Even though he was in that war, I guess that he did not realize that we had won.

 

[Vandalshandle]

None of the United Nations forces, including our own, had the slightest chance of defeating the Chinese forces. Our forces were all mechanized, and could only advance using roads in North Korea. Chinese forces were not, therefor they traveled and fought in the mountains and hills with mostly infantry, and some limited small artillery. They traveled at night to avoid our aircraft. They had little regard for their own lives. They attacked in waves, with the 3rd and 4th wave not even having been issued guns and ammo. They picked that up from dead soldiers. The final wave was a blocking wave with machine guns, with orders to fire at any Chinese troops retreating without orders.

Actually we did in fact defeat the Chinese forces badly.

Exactly....the only thing stopping a clear cut victory in Korea was leftwing politicians and leftwing state dept. riddled with soviet spies. Truman who drank way too much whisky was too fearful of a confrontation with Russia and the famous quote

Lest we forget the statement by the none to clever Omar Bradley..............'"The wrong war, at the wrong place, at the wrong time, and with the wrong enemy" is General Omar Bradley's famous rebuke in his May 15, 1951 Congressional as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to the idea of extending the Korean War into China, as proposed by General Douglas MacArthur, the commander of the U.N. ...that was just one example of the prevailing fallacious attitude of the weaklings in Washington who stabbed MacArthur in the back.

I am sure that if you had been there, the whole outcome would have been different.....

 

[Vandalshandle]

As an example of the cost of global war, the British were still rationing a lot of food items in 1950, when the Korean war broke out,, as a result of WW2. The US was still trying to fill the housing and automobile shortage caused by WW2. The fact that South Korea was in the US sphere of influence after WW2 was simply due to the fact that somebody in the state Department had drawn a line across the middle of Korea after WW2, thus making them our responsibility. This was especially ironic, because Teddy Roosevelt told Japan during his administration that they would not be stepping on our toes if they took over the entire Korean peninsula, which they did.

 

[9thIDdoc]

None of the United Nations forces, including our own, had the slightest chance of defeating the Chinese forces. Our forces were all mechanized, and could only advance using roads in North Korea. Chinese forces were not, therefor they traveled and fought in the mountains and hills with mostly infantry, and some limited small artillery. They traveled at night to avoid our aircraft. They had little regard for their own lives. They attacked in waves, with the 3rd and 4th wave not even having been issued guns and ammo. They picked that up from dead soldiers. The final wave was a blocking wave with machine guns, with orders to fire at any Chinese troops retreating without orders.

Actually we did in fact defeat the Chinese forces badly.

Exactly....the only thing stopping a clear cut victory in Korea was leftwing politicians and leftwing state dept. riddled with soviet spies. Truman who drank way too much whisky was too fearful of a confrontation with Russia and the famous quote

Lest we forget the statement by the none to clever Omar Bradley..............'"The wrong war, at the wrong place, at the wrong time, and with the wrong enemy" is General Omar Bradley's famous rebuke in his May 15, 1951 Congressional as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to the idea of extending the Korean War into China, as proposed by General Douglas MacArthur, the commander of the U.N. ...that was just one example of the prevailing fallacious attitude of the weaklings in Washington who stabbed MacArthur in the back.

A prime example of why MacArthur got fired

He just didn’t understand the politics of the situation
We had just lost 400,000 soldiers five years earlier. The American people were not going to tolerate another meat grinder especially in a hell hole like Korea that nobody cared if they existed

We lost 50,000 in Korea because of MacArthurs arrogance

Nonsense.......what needs to be understood is why America was so weak that the communists felt emboldened to attack S. Korea?

you must not have understood my previous post
here:
we lost to the communist:
Vietnam
Laos
Cambodia
Cuba
and---guess what?? the US is ok!
we didn't need to be there..it was a waste
we get involved in too much crap

Bay of Pigs--$$$$ lost
Nicaragua ???!!!

...first we are friends with and helping the Taliban/Afghanis --then we are at war over there
...first we are friends with Iran--then enemies with Iran and friends with Iraq helping Iraq fight Iran
then we go to war with Iraq !!!!!!!????!! WTF?

we need to stay out of a lot of these insignificant conflicts

Bullshit. We did not lose in any of those places. And you might bother to notice that we won the Cold War.

 

[9thIDdoc]

None of the United Nations forces, including our own, had the slightest chance of defeating the Chinese forces. Our forces were all mechanized, and could only advance using roads in North Korea. Chinese forces were not, therefor they traveled and fought in the mountains and hills with mostly infantry, and some limited small artillery. They traveled at night to avoid our aircraft. They had little regard for their own lives. They attacked in waves, with the 3rd and 4th wave not even having been issued guns and ammo. They picked that up from dead soldiers. The final wave was a blocking wave with machine guns, with orders to fire at any Chinese troops retreating without orders.

Actually we did in fact defeat the Chinese forces badly.

I'll have to get in touch with my high school history teacher. He told me that the Chinese fought us to a stalemate. Even though he was in that war, I guess that he did not realize that we had won.

Read. I didn't say we won the the Korean War (although there has never been an official end to that war, just a cease fire) I said we defeated the Chinese forces badly and that is true. They attacked our troops and gained not a damn thing except hundreds of thousands of dead Chinese.

 

[9thIDdoc]

None of the United Nations forces, including our own, had the slightest chance of defeating the Chinese forces. Our forces were all mechanized, and could only advance using roads in North Korea. Chinese forces were not, therefor they traveled and fought in the mountains and hills with mostly infantry, and some limited small artillery. They traveled at night to avoid our aircraft. They had little regard for their own lives. They attacked in waves, with the 3rd and 4th wave not even having been issued guns and ammo. They picked that up from dead soldiers. The final wave was a blocking wave with machine guns, with orders to fire at any Chinese troops retreating without orders.

Actually we did in fact defeat the Chinese forces badly.

I'll have to get in touch with my high school history teacher. He told me that the Chinese fought us to a stalemate. Even though he was in that war, I guess that he did not realize that we had won.

Read. I didn't say we won the the Korean War (although there has never been an official end to that war, just a cease fire) I said we defeated the Chinese forces badly and that is true. They attacked our troops and gained not a damn thing except hundreds of thousands of dead Chinese.

 

[9thIDdoc]

None of the United Nations forces, including our own, had the slightest chance of defeating the Chinese forces. Our forces were all mechanized, and could only advance using roads in North Korea. Chinese forces were not, therefor they traveled and fought in the mountains and hills with mostly infantry, and some limited small artillery. They traveled at night to avoid our aircraft. They had little regard for their own lives. They attacked in waves, with the 3rd and 4th wave not even having been issued guns and ammo. They picked that up from dead soldiers. The final wave was a blocking wave with machine guns, with orders to fire at any Chinese troops retreating without orders.

Actually we did in fact defeat the Chinese forces badly.

I'll have to get in touch with my high school history teacher. He told me that the Chinese fought us to a stalemate. Even though he was in that war, I guess that he did not realize that we had won.

Read. I didn't say we won the the Korean War (although there has never been an official end to that war, just a cease fire) I said we defeated the Chinese forces badly and that is true. They attacked our troops and gained not a damn thing except hundreds of thousands of dead Chinese.

 

[Vandalshandle]

None of the United Nations forces, including our own, had the slightest chance of defeating the Chinese forces. Our forces were all mechanized, and could only advance using roads in North Korea. Chinese forces were not, therefor they traveled and fought in the mountains and hills with mostly infantry, and some limited small artillery. They traveled at night to avoid our aircraft. They had little regard for their own lives. They attacked in waves, with the 3rd and 4th wave not even having been issued guns and ammo. They picked that up from dead soldiers. The final wave was a blocking wave with machine guns, with orders to fire at any Chinese troops retreating without orders.

Actually we did in fact defeat the Chinese forces badly.

I'll have to get in touch with my high school history teacher. He told me that the Chinese fought us to a stalemate. Even though he was in that war, I guess that he did not realize that we had won.

Read. I didn't say we won the the Korean War (although there has never been an official end to that war, just a cease fire) I said we defeated the Chinese forces badly and that is true. They attacked our troops and gained not a damn thing except hundreds of thousands of dead Chinese.

We are all ears, general Halftrack, on how you would bring peace and prosperity to our nation, by killing everyone, even though you don't know a damned thing about the Korean war. I am sure that all of the major military minds of this century who declared that the USA should never get involved in a land war in Asia are wrong, but you are right. I suspect that they teach that at your state's Junior military academy.

 

[there4eyeM]

True strength includes magnanimity, flexibility and compassion. Rigidity leads to over reaction and blindness.
Generosity and understanding in relations prevents misunderstanding and conflict. A clenched fist all the time is a deformed hand.