The Balfour Declaration

[Sixties Fan]

My Right Word: Apartheid in Palestine

 

[danielpalos]

Hebrew; doesn't matter if you subscribe to the philosophy of the former Kingdom of Judea, or Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Should we ask any "astrologers", as to why the "stars were not in better alignment", in creating a State of Judea, for Jews?

That has nothing to do with the Balfour Declaration.
It was going to happen at one point or another, with Balfour or not as the Jews had no other choice considering how anti Jewish feelings kept causing endless pogroms.
The Jews needed their own sovereign country, on their own homeland.

Why do you call it State of Judea?

"anti Jewish feelings kept causing endless pogroms." and no jew ever ask's what is it that we do to cause this?

The CRIME Jews have committed is not having converted to either Christianity or Islam.

That is the most heinous crime any Jew can ever commit.

Hitler didn't even care if the Jews converted or not; he wanted all Jews dead, period. So another dreadful crime of the Jews was just being alive!

According to some (Tinmore) the crime of the Jews is to be in a place. No Jews at the lunch counter or the front of the bus.

Oh jeese.

 

[fanger]

Should we ask any "astrologers", as to why the "stars were not in better alignment", in creating a State of Judea, for Jews?

That has nothing to do with the Balfour Declaration.
It was going to happen at one point or another, with Balfour or not as the Jews had no other choice considering how anti Jewish feelings kept causing endless pogroms.
The Jews needed their own sovereign country, on their own homeland.

Why do you call it State of Judea?

"anti Jewish feelings kept causing endless pogroms." and no jew ever ask's what is it that we do to cause this?

The CRIME Jews have committed is not having converted to either Christianity or Islam.

That is the most heinous crime any Jew can ever commit.

Hitler didn't even care if the Jews converted or not; he wanted all Jews dead, period. So another dreadful crime of the Jews was just being alive!

The war by the international Jewish leadership on Germany not only sparked definite reprisals by the German government but also set the stage for a little-known economic and political alliance between the Hitler government and the leaders of the Zionist movement who hoped that the tension between the Germans and the Jews would lead to massive emigration to Palestine. In short, the result was a tactical alliance between the Nazis and the founders of the modern-day state of Israel - a fact that many today would prefer be forgotten.
The Jewish Declaration of War on Nazi Germany: The Economic Boycott of 1933. M. Raphael Johnson, Ph.D.

 

[fanger]

Should we ask any "astrologers", as to why the "stars were not in better alignment", in creating a State of Judea, for Jews?

That has nothing to do with the Balfour Declaration.
It was going to happen at one point or another, with Balfour or not as the Jews had no other choice considering how anti Jewish feelings kept causing endless pogroms.
The Jews needed their own sovereign country, on their own homeland.

Why do you call it State of Judea?

"anti Jewish feelings kept causing endless pogroms." and no jew ever ask's what is it that we do to cause this?

The CRIME Jews have committed is not having converted to either Christianity or Islam.

That is the most heinous crime any Jew can ever commit.

Hitler didn't even care if the Jews converted or not; he wanted all Jews dead, period. So another dreadful crime of the Jews was just being alive!

According to some (Tinmore) the crime of the Jews is to be in a place. No Jews at the lunch counter or the front of the bus.

See what I mean,? The fault is always with someone else

 

[fanger]

Indeed, nothing at all has changed with the Palestinians. They have not moved an inch in a hundred years. PLO chief and Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas now demands that Britain officially renounce the Balfour Declaration and apologize for having issued it as if Lord Balfour was still foreign secretary and David Lloyd George was still prime minster.

And their growing chorus of supporters at the UN, throughout the Islamic world, and in Europe is similarly stuck in 1917.

(full article online)

COLUMN ONE: Balfour’s greatest of gifts

I got a far as CAROLINE B. GLICK, and barfed a little

 

[fanger]

My Right Word: Apartheid in Palestine

Oh, a link to a right-wing zionist blog, I wonder what his opinion will be?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The Balfour Declaration was incorporated into the British Mandate for Palestine. The Mandate was to facilitate Palestinian citizenship for the Jews and help create an independent Palestinian state. Britain failed to do that and passed Palestine off to the UNSCOP.

Ignoring that, the Zionists unilaterally took over most of Palestine by illegal military conquest.

Well, you might be able to argue that Britain failed to accomplish the creation of an independent Palestinian state, but an independent Palestinian state was certainly created (Israel). As you stated, the intent was for the Jewish people (all of them) to have citizenship, which they did and do. As do the Arab people.

There was no military conquest. We know this because (as you stated above) the Jewish citizens had every right to be citizens. They weren't conquering anything, they were participating within the legal framework of the time.

The Zionist's colonial project was not part of Palestine. It was a separate entity.

Zionism came as an answer to the discrimination and pogroms against Jews in Europe, Asia and Arab pogroms in Syria-Palestine. The dire situation of the Jewish community was a continuous condition of Palestine.

Zionist activity was supported and coordinated by Palestinian Jews. The tools they used were a culmination of an age-old administrative system that served to help Palestinian Jews and elsewhere to survive. The same mechanism of financial aid and communication were transferred into an organized political party, that could efficiently represent that effort on the international arena.

Political (not spiritual) Zionism had many flaws, but it was in no way foreign to Jews in Palestine.
BTW The grand-grand grandfather of Israeli's current president was a Palestinian Jew who built new neighborhoods in Jerusalem to solve the problem poverty and density . These people were an integral part of the Jewish community in Palestine.

Arabs on the other hand proclaimed a Sheik from Mecca to be their King...but You of course don't see it as a separate foreign entity because he was Arab.

Offering the West a Decoy to the Jihad

Jews had suffered persecution for almost 2,000 years before Zionism. So. as usual when you listen to our billboard-information regime, there had to be more to it than what we're told to believe.

Yes, there is.

It is called the creation of Christianity and Islam and their murderous ideologies against Jews.

Zionism Is a Long-Delayed Awakening

But there are always internal conflicts the Jews could have exploited. As early as the 11th Century, they could have asked for their homeland back, appealing to the Turks to become a decoy and a defense against the Arabs. It would be interesting for me, and apparently me alone, to know what kind of psychological process changed the Jews after all those centuries of cowardly submission and escapism. But Netwits are satisfied with what they're told by the self-appointed intellectual authorities, so the truth can't happen here.

 

[danielpalos]

I make a motion to "redesignate Jews to Hebrews", until they agree to a State of Judea.

 

[rylah]

I make a motion to "redesignate Jews to Hebrews", until they agree to a State of Judea.

State of Judea was one of the names considered for the state. Israel is more accommodating to a larger number of people, and looks into future, rather than mere past.

 

[Sixties Fan]

In his speech, Khalidi argued that the Balfour Declaration “amounted to a declaration of war by the British Empire on the indigenous population of the land it was promising to the Jewish people as a national homeland.” Balfour, he said, “launched a century-long assault on the Palestinians aimed at implanting and fostering this national homeland, later the state of Israel, at their expense.”

Predictably, Khalidi limited the “indigenous population” he spoke about to Arabs — and ignored the Jewish people’s historical claim to the land of Israel as recognized in the Balfour Declaration. Instead, Khalidi maintained that “the Zionist movement was a colonialist enterprise in search of a metropolitan sponsor,” which was “implanting” and “fostering” the Jewish people “at the expense of the Palestinians.”

Khalidi’s terminology reflected his past as a PLO propagandist.

His use and definition of the term “indigenous,” for example, echoed the fabricated claims of Palestinian Authority (PA) President Mahmoud Abbas that the Palestinians are descended from the Canaanites, who predated the ancient Hebrews.

Similarly, Khalidi’s term “implanting” mirrored PA political commentator Fathi Buzia’s allegation that Britain “creat[ed] and implant[ed] a fabricated, thieving entity upon the Palestinian land.” PA school textbooks similarly refer to Israel “as an imperial colonial implant.”

(full article online)

Columbia Professor Rashid Khalidi’s Cynical Use of Antisemitism

 

[thetor]

Since this is going to come up in the next few weeks with the 100th anniversary, I figured we should start a thread on it.

The relevant text, for reference:

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."


I'm going to contrast that declaration with Article 2 of the UNGA 1514 of 14 December 1960

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

Balfour was a Zionist Jew.....The British Chief Administrator for Palestine 1936-1948 Was a Zionist Jew...I need SAY NO MORE

 

[thetor]

Rather than see the Balfour Declaration as a commitment to Jewish self-determination, Black frames it as the origin of a conflict and the end of Palestinian aspirations.

In reality, it was not the Balfour Declaration that brought about the situation of today’s Palestinians or even those from 1948. Palestinian and Arab rejectionism has thwarted all attempts over the years to reach an amicable arrangement that could have seen a Palestinian state co-existing side by side with a Jewish one.

(full article online)

Balfour Declaration: Haters Declare War | HonestReporting

This is NONSENCE WHY?...because The Palestinians felt that Why Should they give any Territory to a Load of Illegal Zionist Migrants...The Jews in there position would never have allowed Palestinians any Land..........How can you REJECT SOMETHING YOU NEVER AGREED TO IN THE FIRST PLACE???

Sorry Sixties you are on the wrong track,incidentally what Land have Israel stolen since 1948...Plenty are they returning it to the Palestinians,FCUK ARE THEY

You are blaming THE disposessed,and it's sickening and SHAMEFUL

 

[Sixties Fan]

Since this is going to come up in the next few weeks with the 100th anniversary, I figured we should start a thread on it.

The relevant text, for reference:

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."


I'm going to contrast that declaration with Article 2 of the UNGA 1514 of 14 December 1960

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

Balfour was a Zionist Jew.....The British Chief Administrator for Palestine 1936-1948 Was a Zionist Jew...I need SAY NO MORE

Hurray for Lord Balfour, and all other Zionists, Christians, Muslims, Arabs, etc.

Thank you for doing the right thing by the Jewish People and working to protect them and not annihilate them.



Except Thor, Lord Balfour was a Zionist Christian, not a Jew.

Based on that level of misinformation, what else should anyone trust about anything else you write to delegitimize the rights of Jews to be sovereign over any part of their ancient homeland and the legal way they went about it?

 

[danielpalos]

I make a motion to "redesignate Jews to Hebrews", until they agree to a State of Judea.

State of Judea was one of the names considered for the state. Israel is more accommodating to a larger number of people, and looks into future, rather than mere past.

I would agree with you, if there had not been a historic State of Judea and a historic State of Israel.

Should we take moden, Jewdeans, seriously withoug a modern State of Jewdea.

 

[danielpalos]

The right wing only has a problem with, Jewdeans, not Hebrews.

 

[rylah]

I make a motion to "redesignate Jews to Hebrews", until they agree to a State of Judea.

State of Judea was one of the names considered for the state. Israel is more accommodating to a larger number of people, and looks into future, rather than mere past.

I would agree with you, if there had not been a historic State of Judea and a historic State of Israel.

Should we take moden, Jewdeans, seriously withoug a modern State of Jewdea.

I don't see any real problem.
Jews are the 4 remaining tribes of the Israelites - Judah, Benjamin, Levi and part of Asher.

By calling the state Israel, they proclaimed their hope for a full recovery...not just the 4 tribes, but all 12.

 

[rylah]

The right wing only has a problem with, Jewdeans, not Hebrews.

What you call 'right wing' is a term of the French Revolution, and a changing fashion.
Today it seems that the Left has more problems with Jews. It doesn't matter how You translate it into contemporary political terms.
And it doesn't matter how You translate Israel or the Jewish nation into foreign languages. Jews were called Hebrews in many of the countries they fled. They also fled countries where they were called Judeans, and where they were given emancipation. Wasn't the issue.

And translation wouldn't change the issue of Arab pogroms in Palestine.
Eventually Balfour helped solve many of the problems that Jews had in Palestine as in Europe.

 

[danielpalos]

The "stars would have been in better alignment for true Judeans, if a State of Judah had been created instead of a State of Israel. And, the Kingdom of Judah, was just one tribe, as is claimed by some; why would eleven other tribes want to claim to be subscribers to the philosophy of some Other tribe, and not their own?

The Kingdom of Judah (Hebrew: מַמְלֶכֶת יְהוּדָה‎, Mamlekhet Yehudāh) was an Iron Age kingdom of the Southern Levant. The Hebrew Bible depicts it as the successor to a United Monarchy, but historians are divided about the veracity of this account. In the 10th and early 9th centuries BCE the territory of Judah appears to have been sparsely populated, limited to small rural settlements, most of them unfortified.[9] Jerusalem, the kingdom's capital, likely did not emerge as a significant administrative centre until the end of the 8th century; prior to this archaeological evidence suggests its population was too small to sustain a viable kingdom.[10] In the 7th century its population increased greatly, prospering under Assyrian vassalage (despite Hezekiah's revolt against the Assyrian king Sennacherib[11]), but in 605 the Assyrian Empire was defeated, and the ensuing competition between the Twenty-sixth Dynasty of Egypt and the Neo-Babylonian Empire for control of the Eastern Mediterranean led to the destruction of the kingdom in a series of campaigns between 597 and 582, the deportation of the elite of the community, and the incorporation of Judah into a province of the Neo-Babylonian Empire.

 

[danielpalos]

The right wing only has a problem with, Jewdeans, not Hebrews.

What you call 'right wing' is a term of the French Revolution, and a changing fashion.
Today it seems that the Left has more problems with Jews. It doesn't matter how You translate it into contemporary political terms.
And it doesn't matter how You translate Israel or the Jewish nation into foreign languages. Jews were called Hebrews in many of the countries they fled. They also fled countries where they were called Judeans, and where they were given emancipation. Wasn't the issue.

And translation wouldn't change the issue of Arab pogroms in Palestine.
Eventually Balfour helped solve many of the problems that Jews had in Palestine as in Europe.

nope; the right wing is too clueless and Causeless to understand the difference.