The Algebra of Wealth

[initforme]

How about denying them a labor force?

 

[sealybobo]

Anyone that wants an abortion in the country can get one.

You must not realize the ultimate goal of all the last 5 conservative heritage foundation judges appointed to the Supreme Court. All very young. And Alito and Clarence will retire if Trump wins, putting 2 more young conservatives on the court. Oh yes they will.

This radical right wing war has already started dummy. Wake the fuck up. Abortion. This win will tell them they can get away with anything they want. Meanwhile Trump is trying to distance himself with Project 2025, as if he will fight them, the ones who declared he's a king, can't be charged and prosecuting him is unconstitutional.

I get rigthies. It's dummy undecideds like you I can't figure out.

 

[sealybobo]

The investigation at the plant in Mississippi started under Obama. Do you know what was done to those picked up? They were returned to work. Was the business charged with anything despite agents stating the business knew those working for them were illegals? No.

I have heard Republicans on here flat out say it would be wrong to punish a business owner from taking advantage of the cheap labor. Not their responsibility to keep illegal workers from being available to them. If The USA wants them gone, it's the governments job to round them up.

But we know this is bullshit because illegal will find their way in as long as the opportunities are here. And because of these business owners, the opportunities are here.

My brother is rich. He has some illegals he uses for all his home needs. His father in laws too. He's so paranoid he won't let them come to my condo to do work. Scared someone might turn them in and ruin his good thing. He said find your own amigos. LOL. That's just one small business of illegals stealing from blue collar Americans. Now I say we need them. We don't have nearly enough whites now to do all those jobs we need done. But I say make them legal. Get them paying taxes. Social Security especially.

 

[sealybobo]

How about denying them a labor force?

Who? The companies? Too many ways for Mexican's to get in and stay if there are jobs. Come as a visitor. And as for denying them entry, they seem to find their way through, under, around or over your wall. But I do agree, we should be patrolling our border 24/7. We have enough army privates sitting around doing nothing waiting to be deployed. Have them fly drones up and down the border with cameras and watch, 24/7.

And I'm okay with letting asylum seekers in and put them to work. We need them. Lots of unfilled jobs and social security is going broke. We aren't having enough kids. Too many baby boomers on social security. We need another virus. LOL

 

[pknopp]

You must not realize the ultimate goal of all the last 5 conservative heritage foundation judges appointed to the Supreme Court. All very young. And Alito and Clarence will retire if Trump wins, putting 2 more young conservatives on the court. Oh yes they will.

This radical right wing war has already started dummy. Wake the fuck up. Abortion. This win will tell them they can get away with anything they want. Meanwhile Trump is trying to distance himself with Project 2025, as if he will fight them, the ones who declared he's a king, can't be charged and prosecuting him is unconstitutional.

I get rigthies. It's dummy undecideds like you I can't figure out.

Lol.....I'm not undecided.

 

[leftwinger]

Well they called him George STRAIT now George Home O......you got to roll along lil' doggies.

 

[pknopp]

I have heard Republicans on here flat out say it would be wrong to punish a business owner from taking advantage of the cheap labor. Not their responsibility to keep illegal workers from being available to them. If The USA wants them gone, it's the governments job to round them up.

But we know this is bullshit because illegal will find their way in as long as the opportunities are here. And because of these business owners, the opportunities are here.

My brother is rich. He has some illegals he uses for all his home needs. His father in laws too. He's so paranoid he won't let them come to my condo to do work. Scared someone might turn them in and ruin his good thing. He said find your own amigos. LOL. That's just one small business of illegals stealing from blue collar Americans. Now I say we need them. We don't have nearly enough whites now to do all those jobs we need done. But I say make them legal. Get them paying taxes. Social Security especially.

I believe we need to make them legal also.....almost 4 years under Biden.

Nothing.

 

[sealybobo]

I believe we need to make them legal also.....almost 4 years under Biden.

Nothing.

The United States granted asylum to 17,692 people in 2021, which is a 42.9% drop from previous years. However, as of May 2023, there were over 1.3 million asylum applications pending processing. As of April 2024, there were over 2 million asylum claims pending, with 1.1 million of those cases in U.S. immigration courts. The average wait time for an asylum claim is estimated to be over 6 years if it is before USCIS, and around 4.3 years if it is before EOIR. However, wait times may vary depending on the court where the claim was filed.

 

[pknopp]

The United States granted asylum to 17,692 people in 2021, which is a 42.9% drop from previous years. However, as of May 2023, there were over 1.3 million asylum applications pending processing. As of April 2024, there were over 2 million asylum claims pending, with 1.1 million of those cases in U.S. immigration courts. The average wait time for an asylum claim is estimated to be over 6 years if it is before USCIS, and around 4.3 years if it is before EOIR. However, wait times may vary depending on the court where the claim was filed.

Those seeking asylum are not here illegally.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Those seeking asylum are not here illegally.

The ones making false claims are here under false pretenses and need to be booted ASAP.

 

[pknopp]

The ones making false claims are here under false pretenses and need to be booted ASAP.

A judge will determine that if they can get the time off work to show up for the hearings.

 

[sealybobo]

The ones making false claims are here under false pretenses and need to be booted ASAP.

Why if we need the workers? Vet them and let them in if they pass.

If we don't, here's what's going to happen. Republicans will just start importing them legally.Making it easier for them to apply and get in from Guatamala or Columbia. They don't want it to come to that but if illegals stop coming, you'll see. Legal immigration will just happen. Which is fine for me. Make it easier for them to apply for citizenship and let them in. We need them. We are not having enough kids. No way to fix that without immigrants. What's the problem?

I actually LOVE the low birth rate. We are overpopulated I hope we gradually go down to a number of humans that this planet can sustain. So I'm actually happy the birth rate is going down.

There are 8 billion humans on this planet right now. Think ahead 100,000 years from now. Do you think humans on earth would be better off with 4 billion humans or 16 billion. Be honest.

 

[initforme]

Why if we need the workers? Vet them and let them in if they pass.

If we don't, here's what's going to happen. Republicans will just start importing them legally.Making it easier for them to apply and get in from Guatamala or Columbia. They don't want it to come to that but if illegals stop coming, you'll see. Legal immigration will just happen. Which is fine for me. Make it easier for them to apply for citizenship and let them in. We need them. We are not having enough kids. No way to fix that without immigrants. What's the problem?

I actually LOVE the low birth rate. We are overpopulated I hope we gradually go down to a number of humans that this planet can sustain. So I'm actually happy the birth rate is going down.

There are 8 billion humans on this planet right now. Think ahead 100,000 years from now. Do you think humans on earth would be better off with 4 billion humans or 16 billion. Be honest.

We don't have a low birth rate. That's fake news. We also have more than enough workers in the workforce.

 

[pknopp]

We don't have a low birth rate. That's fake news. We also have more than enough workers in the workforce.

Not that will work for what illegals are paid, nor should they have to .

 

[sealybobo]

We don't have a low birth rate. That's fake news. We also have more than enough workers in the workforce.

The numbers and facts disagree with you. It's a fact people are having fewer kids later in life. And A LOT more people than the generation before are having no kids. WAY more than ever before.

And it only makes sense. In 1978 GE Jack Welch broke the social contract with workers and then Reagan went to war with unions. And turned a blind eye to illegals. This was all to make companies more profitable and boy did it work.

But now people don't expect to work for one company till they retire. That's lack of job security. With no job security, who wants to have kids? I'm a perfect example. I NEVER felt financially secure enough to have a family. For ME to be responsible for 3 people. Me, a wife and kid. FUCK THAT. So here I am 53 and I have more money than the median person who's 63. But only because I didn't have any kids. I can't imagine how much less I'd have if I had a kid. I'm not going to cut and paste evidence of this because you don't believe the evidence/facts. You just feel it's a lie. And you FEEL that companies have enough workers.

I actually agree they have enough workers and I don't mind the growth stopping. That's the problem with companies. No matter how well they do this year, they want GROWTH next year. And every year after that. For growth you need more workers and more consumers. So I don't mind slowing/stopping the growth. So I will agree, we do have enough workers to sustain the good thing we have right now.

And I agree with Republicans we need companies to lower their prices. If you won't pay Americans more, you have to make things cheaper. But last time we (Bush) tried that we sent all our best jobs to Mexico and China. To save American consumers money. Makes no sense.

 

[sealybobo]

Not that will work for what illegals are paid, nor should they have to .

And we have $10 million illegals in America

Here's how "illegals" hurt us. They work for much less and honestly, do better work. Faster too. So a rich guy like my brother when he needs work, saves money by hiring the illegals to do the job. If they didn't exist he'd have to go on the internet and find an American company to do those jobs. Or a neighborhood kid.

 

[pknopp]

And we have $10 million illegals in America

I'm thinking we really don't know how many.

Here's how "illegals" hurt us. They work for much less and honestly, do better work. Faster too. So a rich guy like my brother when he needs work, saves money by hiring the illegals to do the job. If they didn't exist he'd have to go on the internet and find an American company to do those jobs. Or a neighborhood kid.

There are many American's that do amazing work. The problem is, they actually expect to get paid.

 

[sealybobo]

I'm thinking we really don't know how many.




There are many American's that do amazing work. The problem is, they actually expect to get paid.

That's called inflation. But I agree, we are better off if Americans are doing the work and the money stays here, obviously. I know many Mexicans who have homes in Mexico. They're saving up as much as they can because you never know when they'll be forced to go. But they will go home and live like kings with the money they make here.

It's like people who make a fortune in California or NY then complain when they retire they have to move because they can no longer afford to live there. But they go to Arkansas with a million and live like kings. Sell their home in Cali for $2 million and buy a home in Arkansas for $150K. On 10 acres.

 

[initforme]

The numbers and facts disagree with you. It's a fact people are having fewer kids later in life. And A LOT more people than the generation before are having no kids. WAY more than ever before.

And it only makes sense. In 1978 GE Jack Welch broke the social contract with workers and then Reagan went to war with unions. And turned a blind eye to illegals. This was all to make companies more profitable and boy did it work.

But now people don't expect to work for one company till they retire. That's lack of job security. With no job security, who wants to have kids? I'm a perfect example. I NEVER felt financially secure enough to have a family. For ME to be responsible for 3 people. Me, a wife and kid. FUCK THAT. So here I am 53 and I have more money than the median person who's 63. But only because I didn't have any kids. I can't imagine how much less I'd have if I had a kid. I'm not going to cut and paste evidence of this because you don't believe the evidence/facts. You just feel it's a lie. And you FEEL that companies have enough workers.

I actually agree they have enough workers and I don't mind the growth stopping. That's the problem with companies. No matter how well they do this year, they want GROWTH next year. And every year after that. For growth you need more workers and more consumers. So I don't mind slowing/stopping the growth. So I will agree, we do have enough workers to sustain the good thing we have right now.

And I agree with Republicans we need companies to lower their prices. If you won't pay Americans more, you have to make things cheaper. But last time we (Bush) tried that we sent all our best jobs to Mexico and China. To save American consumers money. Makes no sense.

I applaud your choices because you did what you needed to do. Capitalism is all about making money. So less people are having no kids to make more money. Then many say "they're selfish" and being child free is bad. There's alot of criticism of Dual income no kids. Why?

 

[pknopp]

I applaud your choices because you did what you needed to do. Capitalism is all about making money. So less people are having no kids to make more money. Then many say "they're selfish" and being child free is bad. There's alot of criticism of Dual income no kids. Why?

Some people don't like for others to make choices they wouldn't make. We see this in all sorts of things.