The Ad That Ran During The Dem Debate That Has Ocasio-Cortez Outraged

[daveman]

Tell us about this magical unicorn fart, and how it will be able pay for everyone's healthcare.

Americans and their employers already pay a fortune for healthcare coverage

Universal coverage will cost less and provide better coverage

It does in every other country

The problem you have is you ignore that all those countries people pay much higher taxes to pay for it, and just because they have health insurance doesn't mean they actually have healthcare. The Canadiens flocking to the US for medical care is CLEAR evidence of that.

Does it matter what pocket the money comes out of?

If you take the money citizens and their employers now spend on healthcare and add it to a special fund for Medicare, it will cost less

You can always tell who has never been treated in the VA healthcare system.

I'll explain it to you: VA healthcare is the DMV of the medical system. Inefficient, long wait times, endless bureaucracy and red tape, poor outcomes.

That's what you want for everybody? No, thanks.

I'm very sure I don't want the doctor in charge of my treatment to be the sort of person who thinks a civil servant's salary is a good deal.

My VA doctor, who recently retired with no replacement in sight, was in private practice a couple of decades ago at an office my mother-in-law worked at. She said he was pretty incompetent. Whenever I saw him, he told me stories about being in the Air Force in the 60's. I got more healthcare information from his nurse than from him.

 

[rightwinger]

Americans and their employers already pay a fortune for healthcare coverage

Universal coverage will cost less and provide better coverage

It does in every other country

The problem you have is you ignore that all those countries people pay much higher taxes to pay for it, and just because they have health insurance doesn't mean they actually have healthcare. The Canadiens flocking to the US for medical care is CLEAR evidence of that.

Does it matter what pocket the money comes out of?

If you take the money citizens and their employers now spend on healthcare and add it to a special fund for Medicare, it will cost less

You can always tell who has never been treated in the VA healthcare system.

I'll explain it to you: VA healthcare is the DMV of the medical system. Inefficient, long wait times, endless bureaucracy and red tape, poor outcomes.

That's what you want for everybody? No, thanks.

How many Vets want to give up their VA coverage?

At least one. Me.

Meanwhile, how many Democrat politicians want to be cared for by the VA?

All the veterans

 

[daveman]

Pretty sick shit

But what can be expected from Republicans

Trump has encouraged the most extreme elements of society to come out of the closet. They are dooming the Republican Party and helping her get re-elected. Isn't it interesting how Republicans viciously go after women. Funny for a party that has a huge woman problem.

Yeah, well that sucks for you huh? Too bad we have freedom of speech, and we can go after whom ever we want. I guess you are SOL. By the way, I don't remember many Democrats complaining about "viciously going after women" when they were attacking Katherine Harris, or when you went after Sarah Palin.

But then again, if you people were not hypocrites, then you wouldn't be Democraps.

Anyway.. we intend to attack and destroy all socialist, male or female, and we really don't give a crap what you putrid trash things about anything.
So.... too bad. Sucks to be you. We won't be silenced by an entire party of hypocritical trash. You are just SOL. We don't care what you think about us anymore.

Either women are equal to men and can do the same jobs - including political office - in which case we can treat them just like men and go after them just as much, or they're delicate flowers who need special treatment, in which case they need to get their whining asses back in the kitchen. And I say that as a woman. I don't live this hypocrisy in my own life, and I resent having these strident viragos making it look like this crap is standard for women everywhere.

Feminists rely on women seeing themselves as victims. It's pathetic.

 

[daveman]

The problem you have is you ignore that all those countries people pay much higher taxes to pay for it, and just because they have health insurance doesn't mean they actually have healthcare. The Canadiens flocking to the US for medical care is CLEAR evidence of that.

Does it matter what pocket the money comes out of?

If you take the money citizens and their employers now spend on healthcare and add it to a special fund for Medicare, it will cost less

You can always tell who has never been treated in the VA healthcare system.

I'll explain it to you: VA healthcare is the DMV of the medical system. Inefficient, long wait times, endless bureaucracy and red tape, poor outcomes.

That's what you want for everybody? No, thanks.

How many Vets want to give up their VA coverage?

At least one. Me.

Meanwhile, how many Democrat politicians want to be cared for by the VA?

All the veterans

I'd ask you to prove that, but you can't.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Americans and their employers already pay a fortune for healthcare coverage

Universal coverage will cost less and provide better coverage

It does in every other country

The problem you have is you ignore that all those countries people pay much higher taxes to pay for it, and just because they have health insurance doesn't mean they actually have healthcare. The Canadiens flocking to the US for medical care is CLEAR evidence of that.

Does it matter what pocket the money comes out of?

If you take the money citizens and their employers now spend on healthcare and add it to a special fund for Medicare, it will cost less

You can always tell who has never been treated in the VA healthcare system.

I'll explain it to you: VA healthcare is the DMV of the medical system. Inefficient, long wait times, endless bureaucracy and red tape, poor outcomes.

That's what you want for everybody? No, thanks.

I'm very sure I don't want the doctor in charge of my treatment to be the sort of person who thinks a civil servant's salary is a good deal.

My VA doctor, who recently retired with no replacement in sight, was in private practice a couple of decades ago at an office my mother-in-law worked at. She said he was pretty incompetent. Whenever I saw him, he told me stories about being in the Air Force in the 60's. I got more healthcare information from his nurse than from him.

I have no real problem with my doctor having a fancy house and a fancy car, because at least that means he's a good enough doctor to make that kinda money.

 

[daveman]

Pretty sick shit

But what can be expected from Republicans

What is sick, disease-like is the insistence that if you are Republican, you are racist.

If you are racist......You are Republican

Yes, that's what your programming says, and you lack the wit to question your programming.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Pretty sick shit

But what can be expected from Republicans

Trump has encouraged the most extreme elements of society to come out of the closet. They are dooming the Republican Party and helping her get re-elected. Isn't it interesting how Republicans viciously go after women. Funny for a party that has a huge woman problem.

Yeah, well that sucks for you huh? Too bad we have freedom of speech, and we can go after whom ever we want. I guess you are SOL. By the way, I don't remember many Democrats complaining about "viciously going after women" when they were attacking Katherine Harris, or when you went after Sarah Palin.

But then again, if you people were not hypocrites, then you wouldn't be Democraps.

Anyway.. we intend to attack and destroy all socialist, male or female, and we really don't give a crap what you putrid trash things about anything.
So.... too bad. Sucks to be you. We won't be silenced by an entire party of hypocritical trash. You are just SOL. We don't care what you think about us anymore.

Either women are equal to men and can do the same jobs - including political office - in which case we can treat them just like men and go after them just as much, or they're delicate flowers who need special treatment, in which case they need to get their whining asses back in the kitchen. And I say that as a woman. I don't live this hypocrisy in my own life, and I resent having these strident viragos making it look like this crap is standard for women everywhere.

Feminists rely on women seeing themselves as victims. It's pathetic.

Agreed, and I have no patience with victimhood about my femininity. My reproductive system is not a disability or birth defect, and I resent women acting like it is even more than I resent men doing it.

 

[daveman]

The problem you have is you ignore that all those countries people pay much higher taxes to pay for it, and just because they have health insurance doesn't mean they actually have healthcare. The Canadiens flocking to the US for medical care is CLEAR evidence of that.

Does it matter what pocket the money comes out of?

If you take the money citizens and their employers now spend on healthcare and add it to a special fund for Medicare, it will cost less

You can always tell who has never been treated in the VA healthcare system.

I'll explain it to you: VA healthcare is the DMV of the medical system. Inefficient, long wait times, endless bureaucracy and red tape, poor outcomes.

That's what you want for everybody? No, thanks.

I'm very sure I don't want the doctor in charge of my treatment to be the sort of person who thinks a civil servant's salary is a good deal.

My VA doctor, who recently retired with no replacement in sight, was in private practice a couple of decades ago at an office my mother-in-law worked at. She said he was pretty incompetent. Whenever I saw him, he told me stories about being in the Air Force in the 60's. I got more healthcare information from his nurse than from him.

I have no real problem with my doctor having a fancy house and a fancy car, because at least that means he's a good enough doctor to make that kinda money.

Exactly. Plus, medical school, continuing training, certifications, internships, residency, specialty training -- all requires years and lots of money.

The left says none of that is important, and that doctors should work for GS-12 pay.

The left supports slavery. That's certainly nothing new.

 

[daveman]

Pretty sick shit

But what can be expected from Republicans

Trump has encouraged the most extreme elements of society to come out of the closet. They are dooming the Republican Party and helping her get re-elected. Isn't it interesting how Republicans viciously go after women. Funny for a party that has a huge woman problem.

Yeah, well that sucks for you huh? Too bad we have freedom of speech, and we can go after whom ever we want. I guess you are SOL. By the way, I don't remember many Democrats complaining about "viciously going after women" when they were attacking Katherine Harris, or when you went after Sarah Palin.

But then again, if you people were not hypocrites, then you wouldn't be Democraps.

Anyway.. we intend to attack and destroy all socialist, male or female, and we really don't give a crap what you putrid trash things about anything.
So.... too bad. Sucks to be you. We won't be silenced by an entire party of hypocritical trash. You are just SOL. We don't care what you think about us anymore.

Either women are equal to men and can do the same jobs - including political office - in which case we can treat them just like men and go after them just as much, or they're delicate flowers who need special treatment, in which case they need to get their whining asses back in the kitchen. And I say that as a woman. I don't live this hypocrisy in my own life, and I resent having these strident viragos making it look like this crap is standard for women everywhere.

Feminists rely on women seeing themselves as victims. It's pathetic.

Agreed, and I have no patience with victimhood about my femininity. My reproductive system is not a disability or birth defect, and I resent women acting like it is even more than I resent men doing it.

You NEVER see liberal women protesting in brain costumes.

Liberals believe women are nothing more than their genitals.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Pretty sick shit

But what can be expected from Republicans

What is sick, disease-like is the insistence that if you are Republican, you are racist.

If you are racist......You are Republican

Based on what criteria? Yours? Consider that Democrats only support Blacks selectively on the condition that Blacks vote for them.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Trump has encouraged the most extreme elements of society to come out of the closet. They are dooming the Republican Party and helping her get re-elected. Isn't it interesting how Republicans viciously go after women. Funny for a party that has a huge woman problem.

Yeah, well that sucks for you huh? Too bad we have freedom of speech, and we can go after whom ever we want. I guess you are SOL. By the way, I don't remember many Democrats complaining about "viciously going after women" when they were attacking Katherine Harris, or when you went after Sarah Palin.

But then again, if you people were not hypocrites, then you wouldn't be Democraps.

Anyway.. we intend to attack and destroy all socialist, male or female, and we really don't give a crap what you putrid trash things about anything.
So.... too bad. Sucks to be you. We won't be silenced by an entire party of hypocritical trash. You are just SOL. We don't care what you think about us anymore.

Either women are equal to men and can do the same jobs - including political office - in which case we can treat them just like men and go after them just as much, or they're delicate flowers who need special treatment, in which case they need to get their whining asses back in the kitchen. And I say that as a woman. I don't live this hypocrisy in my own life, and I resent having these strident viragos making it look like this crap is standard for women everywhere.

Feminists rely on women seeing themselves as victims. It's pathetic.

Agreed, and I have no patience with victimhood about my femininity. My reproductive system is not a disability or birth defect, and I resent women acting like it is even more than I resent men doing it.

You NEVER see liberal women protesting in brain costumes.

Liberals believe women are nothing more than their genitals.

They wear pussy hats.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The problem you have is you ignore that all those countries people pay much higher taxes to pay for it, and just because they have health insurance doesn't mean they actually have healthcare. The Canadiens flocking to the US for medical care is CLEAR evidence of that.

Does it matter what pocket the money comes out of?

If you take the money citizens and their employers now spend on healthcare and add it to a special fund for Medicare, it will cost less

Provably it doesn't, and, more to the point the quality goes down, and so does availability.

Government run healthcare is like government run anything. Bad.

Just imagine the DMV running your healthcare.

I am perfectly fine with NJ DMV

Medicare runs just fine, ask anyone over 65 if they want to end it and go back to private coverage

Ask anyone in England or Canada if they want to abandon their universal plans and go to profit based plans like the US uses

Several years ago Newt Gingrich wanted just that, to allow people to have a choice between Medicare and private insurance. Guess what? The Democrats shut him down.

Why? Because the entire goal of the Democrat party is to have as many people depending on them as possible. I don't care if you're talking about Medicare, VA, Medicaid, Social Security, they want total control over the people.

More RW hysteria

Republicans oppose Medicare, Medicaid, SS and VA
Those who use it do not want it going private

Let me explain this to you RW.

If there was a bank where you could go and deposit a hundred dollar check, and withdraw three hundred dollars, wouldn't everybody love a bank like that?

The minuscule employer/ employee contributions to Medicare doesn't support the system. It's why it's going broke. Much of it is plain old government healthcare that taxpayers pay for through income tax collections.

My father laughs at his first major surgery, because he told me that surgery alone cost more money than he and his employers contributed to the system his entire life. He's had several other procedures since then and for course, continuing care.

Government only pays about 2/3 of the bill for their patients. The doctors and facilities make up those losses by increasing costs on everybody else. If we had Medicare for all, who is going to make up those losses? Nobody. That's why when you see health facilities close down, it's usually in poorer areas where there are few private pay or insurance paid patients. Nobody can stay open on what government gives them alone.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Tell us about this magical unicorn fart, and how it will be able pay for everyone's healthcare.

Americans and their employers already pay a fortune for healthcare coverage

Universal coverage will cost less and provide better coverage

It does in every other country

You mean like Obamacare promised?

Yes

Where is that health plan Trump promised that is cheaper and better than Obamacare?

I don't know. Where is that affordable insurance DumBama promised us?

75% of those on the exchanges pay less than $100 a month, brainwashed functional moron. And 14 million pay nothing for Medicaid except in real scumbag red States. Like Ohio. Answer- stop sabotaging it....

Oh, so what you're saying is that Commie Care was designed for the poor; you know, likely Democrat voters?

Thanks for admitting that to us. Because it's what we've been saying all along.

 

[rightwinger]

Pretty sick shit

But what can be expected from Republicans

Trump has encouraged the most extreme elements of society to come out of the closet. They are dooming the Republican Party and helping her get re-elected. Isn't it interesting how Republicans viciously go after women. Funny for a party that has a huge woman problem.

Yeah, well that sucks for you huh? Too bad we have freedom of speech, and we can go after whom ever we want. I guess you are SOL. By the way, I don't remember many Democrats complaining about "viciously going after women" when they were attacking Katherine Harris, or when you went after Sarah Palin.

But then again, if you people were not hypocrites, then you wouldn't be Democraps.

Anyway.. we intend to attack and destroy all socialist, male or female, and we really don't give a crap what you putrid trash things about anything.
So.... too bad. Sucks to be you. We won't be silenced by an entire party of hypocritical trash. You are just SOL. We don't care what you think about us anymore.

Either women are equal to men and can do the same jobs - including political office - in which case we can treat them just like men and go after them just as much, or they're delicate flowers who need special treatment, in which case they need to get their whining asses back in the kitchen. And I say that as a woman. I don't live this hypocrisy in my own life, and I resent having these strident viragos making it look like this crap is standard for women everywhere.

Feminists rely on women seeing themselves as victims. It's pathetic.

Feminists stand up for victims
Always have

 

[rightwinger]

Americans and their employers already pay a fortune for healthcare coverage

Universal coverage will cost less and provide better coverage

It does in every other country

You mean like Obamacare promised?

Yes

Where is that health plan Trump promised that is cheaper and better than Obamacare?

I don't know. Where is that affordable insurance DumBama promised us?

75% of those on the exchanges pay less than $100 a month, brainwashed functional moron. And 14 million pay nothing for Medicaid except in real scumbag red States. Like Ohio. Answer- stop sabotaging it....

Oh, so what you're saying is that Commie Care was designed for the poor; you know, likely Democrat voters?

Thanks for admitting that to us. Because it's what we've been saying all along.

Where is Trumpcare?

He promised it three years ago

 

[rightwinger]

Does it matter what pocket the money comes out of?

If you take the money citizens and their employers now spend on healthcare and add it to a special fund for Medicare, it will cost less

Provably it doesn't, and, more to the point the quality goes down, and so does availability.

Government run healthcare is like government run anything. Bad.

Just imagine the DMV running your healthcare.

I am perfectly fine with NJ DMV

Medicare runs just fine, ask anyone over 65 if they want to end it and go back to private coverage

Ask anyone in England or Canada if they want to abandon their universal plans and go to profit based plans like the US uses

Several years ago Newt Gingrich wanted just that, to allow people to have a choice between Medicare and private insurance. Guess what? The Democrats shut him down.

Why? Because the entire goal of the Democrat party is to have as many people depending on them as possible. I don't care if you're talking about Medicare, VA, Medicaid, Social Security, they want total control over the people.

More RW hysteria

Republicans oppose Medicare, Medicaid, SS and VA
Those who use it do not want it going private

Let me explain this to you RW.

If there was a bank where you could go and deposit a hundred dollar check, and withdraw three hundred dollars, wouldn't everybody love a bank like that?

The minuscule employer/ employee contributions to Medicare doesn't support the system. It's why it's going broke. Much of it is plain old government healthcare that taxpayers pay for through income tax collections.

My father laughs at his first major surgery, because he told me that surgery alone cost more money than he and his employers contributed to the system his entire life. He's had several other procedures since then and for course, continuing care.

Government only pays about 2/3 of the bill for their patients. The doctors and facilities make up those losses by increasing costs on everybody else. If we had Medicare for all, who is going to make up those losses? Nobody. That's why when you see health facilities close down, it's usually in poorer areas where there are few private pay or insurance paid patients. Nobody can stay open on what government gives them alone.

Don’t try to make me feel sorry for hospitals, drug companies, doctors and health insurance companies

They have the medical system by the throat

 

[williepete]

rightwinger is not know for his intelligence. Neither is he known for choosing a good screen name

He's paid to post here. That's why I pay him in unicorn farts to live on ignore island. He's paid to stir the pot, not to contribute.

Just imagine the DMV running your healthcare.

I was in the USAF from '77 to '96. Government health care was my standard. What a pleasant shock it was when I experienced civilian health care. Doctors who had to compete with other doctors. Where the incompetent are sued and where the talented are rewarded.

Now if your goal is population control, well....

 

[francoHFW]

Except I am 6 foot 4 don't hate anything but lies and I am not a dupe like you are... The GOP is the party that is owned by big Pharma big Health Big oil big insurance you name it. That is how you getthe worst inequality and upward mobility in our history and anywhere in the modern world.

Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Passed

Meet Jonathan Gruber, a professor at MIT and an architect of Obamacare. During a panel event last year about how the legislation passed, turning over a sixth of the U.S. economy to the government, Gruber admitted that the Obama administration went through "tortuous" measures to keep the facts about the legislation from the American people, including covering up the redistribution of wealth from the healthy to the sick in the legislation that Obamacare is in fact a tax. The video of his comments just recently surfaced ahead of the second open enrollment period for Obamacare at Healthcare.gov.

"You can't do it political, you just literally cannot do it. Transparent financing and also transparent spending. I mean, this bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes the bill dies. Okay? So it’s written to do that," Gruber said. "In terms of risk rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in, you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed. Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really really critical to get for the thing to pass. Look, I wish Mark was right that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not."
​

BAUCUS THANKS WELLPOINT VP LIZ FOWLER FOR WRITING HEALTH CARE BILL

Obamacare architect leaves White House for pharmaceutical industry job

When the legislation that became known as "Obamacare" was first drafted, the key legislator was the Democratic Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, Max Baucus, whose committee took the lead in drafting the legislation. As Baucus himself repeatedly boasted, the architect of that legislation was Elizabeth Folwer, his chief health policy counsel; indeed, as Marcy Wheeler discovered, it was Fowler who actually drafted it. As Politico put it at the time: "If you drew an organizational chart of major players in the Senate health care negotiations, Fowler would be the chief operating officer."

What was most amazing about all of that was that, before joining Baucus' office as the point person for the health care bill, Fowler was the Vice President for Public Policy and External Affairs (i.e. informal lobbying) at WellPoint, the nation's largest health insurance provider (before going to WellPoint, as well as after, Fowler had worked as Baucus' top health care aide). And when that health care bill was drafted, the person whom Fowler replaced as chief health counsel in Baucus' office, Michelle Easton, was lobbying for WellPoint as a principal at Tarplin, Downs, and Young.

Whatever one's views on Obamacare were and are: the bill's mandate that everyone purchase the products of the private health insurance industry, unaccompanied by any public alternative, was a huge gift to that industry; as Wheeler wrote at the time: "to the extent that Liz Fowler is the author of this document, we might as well consider WellPoint its author as well." Watch the five-minute Bill Moyers report from 2009, embedded below, on the key role played in all of this by Liz Fowler and the "revolving door" between the health insurance/lobbying industry and government officials at the time this bill was written and passed.

More amazingly still, when the Obama White House needed someone to oversee implementation of Obamacare after the bill passed, it chose . . . Liz Fowler. That the White House would put a former health insurance industry executive in charge of implementation of its new massive health care law was roundly condemned by good government groups as at least a violation of the "spirit" of governing ethics rules and even "gross", but those objections were, of course, brushed aside by the White House. She then became Special Assistant to the President for Healthcare and Economic Policy at the National Economic Council.

Now, as Politico's "Influence" column briefly noted on Tuesday, Fowler is once again passing through the deeply corrupting revolving door as she leaves the Obama administration to return to the loving and lucrative arms of the private health care industry:


"Elizabeth Fowler is leaving the White House for a senior-level position leading 'global health policy' at Johnson & Johnson's government affairs and policy group."

The pharmaceutical giant that just hired Fowler actively supported the passage of Obamacare through its membership in the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) lobby. Indeed, PhRMA was one of the most aggressive supporters - and most lavish beneficiaries - of the health care bill drafted by Fowler. Mother Jones' James Ridgeway proclaimed "Big Pharma" the "big winner" in the health care bill. And now, Fowler will receive ample rewards from that same industry as she peddles her influence in government and exploits her experience with its inner workings to work on that industry's behalf, all of which has been made perfectly legal by the same insular, Versailles-like Washington culture that so lavishly benefits from all of this.
​

There are few pieces of legislation more corporatist than Obamacare. The Democrats are utterly owned by the healthcare industry.

It is the first regulation on the healthcare industry and cut their profits per patient. And is a framework for more and more regulation forever. Stop sabotaging it and fix it. Republicans want to cut healthcare for everyone great job.

 

[westwall]

Provably it doesn't, and, more to the point the quality goes down, and so does availability.

Government run healthcare is like government run anything. Bad.

Just imagine the DMV running your healthcare.

I am perfectly fine with NJ DMV

Medicare runs just fine, ask anyone over 65 if they want to end it and go back to private coverage

Ask anyone in England or Canada if they want to abandon their universal plans and go to profit based plans like the US uses

Several years ago Newt Gingrich wanted just that, to allow people to have a choice between Medicare and private insurance. Guess what? The Democrats shut him down.

Why? Because the entire goal of the Democrat party is to have as many people depending on them as possible. I don't care if you're talking about Medicare, VA, Medicaid, Social Security, they want total control over the people.

More RW hysteria

Republicans oppose Medicare, Medicaid, SS and VA
Those who use it do not want it going private

Let me explain this to you RW.

If there was a bank where you could go and deposit a hundred dollar check, and withdraw three hundred dollars, wouldn't everybody love a bank like that?

The minuscule employer/ employee contributions to Medicare doesn't support the system. It's why it's going broke. Much of it is plain old government healthcare that taxpayers pay for through income tax collections.

My father laughs at his first major surgery, because he told me that surgery alone cost more money than he and his employers contributed to the system his entire life. He's had several other procedures since then and for course, continuing care.

Government only pays about 2/3 of the bill for their patients. The doctors and facilities make up those losses by increasing costs on everybody else. If we had Medicare for all, who is going to make up those losses? Nobody. That's why when you see health facilities close down, it's usually in poorer areas where there are few private pay or insurance paid patients. Nobody can stay open on what government gives them alone.

Don’t try to make me feel sorry for hospitals, drug companies, doctors and health insurance companies

They have the medical system by the throat

You're such a blissful fool. Who pays you to post this shit?

 

[francoHFW]

rightwinger is not know for his intelligence. Neither is he known for choosing a good screen name

He's paid to post here. That's why I pay him in unicorn farts to live on ignore island. He's paid to stir the pot, not to contribute. He's the air in the potato chip bag.

Just imagine the DMV running your healthcare.

I was in the USAF from '77 to '96. Government health care was my standard. What a pleasant shock it was when I experienced civilian health care. Doctors who had to compete with other doctors. Where the incompetent are sued and where the talented are rewarded.

Now if your goal is population control, well....

Only the form of payment changes, fear-mongered brainwashed functional moron.