The 77-year marriage between the US and Europe. Is divorce imminent?

[airplanemechanic]

We spend over a TRILLION on our defense
We do not send billions to NATO, each nation pays for their own military.

Wrong. We have spent HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars on defense of Europe. Please do not comment on things you don't understand. Wait, nevermind. We do want to hear from you every now and then, so tell us about the weather where you live once a week and we'll be good.

"The U.S. provides the bulk of NATO's military power, with an estimated $980 billion total defense budget in 2025, roughly 62% of the alliance's total. While a specific, isolated dollar figure for "defending Europe" varies, the U.S. supports European security through the European Deterrence Initiative (over $3.8B in FY22) for troop presence, exercises, and infrastructure."

A study was done LONG before this war that stated the defense of Europe if the US pulled out of NATO would exceed 1 TRILLION dollars for those countries.

Defending Europe Without the United States: Costs and Consequences

This IISS report assesses the financial costs and defence industrial requirements for a European NATO to defend against a future Russian threat if the United States were to withdraw from NATO. It finds that directly replacing key parts of the US contribution would amount to approximately USD1...

www.iiss.org

 

[struth]

Because Obama was a *****. Next question.

what about Xiden?

 

[drudge X]

The Western alliance has stood solid for 80 years
Now Trump has destroyed it for good

No. The alliance was only held together as long as US foots the majority of the bill.

 

[Zincwarrior]

what about Xiden?

Biden championed tens of billions in aid to ukraine. He was not a Putin dick sucker.

 

[drudge X]

Biden championed tens of billions in aid to ukraine. He was not a Putin dick sucker.

Because his master, the Chinese told him to.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Because his master, the Chinese told him to.

China wants Russia to get curb stomped? Since when?

 

[drudge X]

China wants Russia to get curb stomped? Since when?

China wants the mineral rich region in Siberia and Vlad is in the way. They are playing Russia and Vlad knows this. His bromance with Xi is only a facade. Vlad needs to look tough and does Xi for the world to see.

 

[JoeB131]

China wants the mineral rich region in Siberia and Vlad is in the way. They are playing Russia and Vlad knows this. His bromance with Xi is only a facade. Vlad needs to look tough and does Xi for the world to see.

Why would China want to take over the region when they can merely buy the minerals?

 

[22lcidw]

China wants the mineral rich region in Siberia and Vlad is in the way. They are playing Russia and Vlad knows this. His bromance with Xi is only a facade. Vlad needs to look tough and does Xi for the world to see.

Without the threat of nuclear deterrence, China could take Siberia or parts of it. Perhaps more easily than we would be led to believe.

 

[drudge X]

Why would China want to take over the region when they can merely buy the minerals?

Hey Joe, there’s this thing on the Internet called search engines but I’ll let you in.

China wants that region. China admitted it.
Russia knows about this. Russia admitted it.

Why would China want the S. China Sea when China can buy oil on the market?

 

[TimFitz]

Because his master, the Chinese told him to.

The Chinese had nothing to do with it. Biden knew the geopolitical risks and opportunities involved,

Trump hasn’t a clue, and his court jesters are no better.

 

[TimFitz]

China wants Russia to get curb stomped? Since when?

For over 1000 years.

 

[drudge X]

Without the threat of nuclear deterrence, China could take Siberia or parts of it. Perhaps more easily than we would be led to believe.

Putty is saving face by not aligning with the West. China is no ally of Russia. The Russian military is already weakened. When China makes a move, the West will say we told ya so. I doubt Putty cares. He may croak already when that time arrives and when it does, the West will enjoy the popcorn. Russia doesn’t have the capability to fight Ukraine and China at the same time assuming the war with Ukraine drags for years like the both Chechen wars. I am not sure if Putty can buy out Ukraine like he bought out the Chechen warlords and claimed Russia military might ended the war.

 

[drudge X]

The Chinese had nothing to do with it. Biden knew the geopolitical risks and opportunities involved,

Trump hasn’t a clue, and his court jesters are no better.

Yeah, sure. I am not shocked as you guys believe the vegetable Biden is the smartest guy in the room.

 

[TimFitz]

Wrong. We have spent HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars on defense of Europe. Please do not comment on things you don't understand. Wait, nevermind. We do want to hear from you every now and then, so tell us about the weather where you live once a week and we'll be good.

"The U.S. provides the bulk of NATO's military power, with an estimated $980 billion total defense budget in 2025, roughly 62% of the alliance's total. While a specific, isolated dollar figure for "defending Europe" varies, the U.S. supports European security through the European Deterrence Initiative (over $3.8B in FY22) for troop presence, exercises, and infrastructure."

A study was done LONG before this war that stated the defense of Europe if the US pulled out of NATO would exceed 1 TRILLION dollars for those countries.

Defending Europe Without the United States: Costs and Consequences

This IISS report assesses the financial costs and defence industrial requirements for a European NATO to defend against a future Russian threat if the United States were to withdraw from NATO. It finds that directly replacing key parts of the US contribution would amount to approximately USD1...

www.iiss.org

This is less than a year old.

It also makes the faulty assumption that there would be a cease fire in the Ukranian War.

It also frankly warns that for America to abondon the legacy of Roosevelt and Churchill and retreat in fear to parochial isolationism, the risks to Europe and the traditional Western Alliance would be significant.

Trump has been at work doing his best to make Putin’s dream come true. Everyone knows it.

 

[JoeB131]

Hey Joe, there’s this thing on the Internet called search engines but I’ll let you in.

China wants that region. China admitted it.
Russia knows about this. Russia admitted it.

Why would China want the S. China Sea when China can buy oil on the market?

When did they say this? Do you have a link, or are you just making stuff up.

China doesn't even want to lay a claim to Outer Mongolia, much less Siberia or Outer Manchuria.

 

[JoeB131]

Putty is saving face by not aligning with the West. China is no ally of Russia. The Russian military is already weakened. When China makes a move, the West will say we told ya so. I doubt Putty cares. He may croak already when that time arrives and when it does, the West will enjoy the popcorn. Russia doesn’t have the capability to fight Ukraine and China at the same time assuming the war with Ukraine drags for years like the both Chechen wars. I am not sure if Putty can buy out Ukraine like he bought out the Chechen warlords and claimed Russia military might ended the war.

Your entire premise doesn't take into account that Russia has a lot more nukes than China does.

There's no good reason for China to make a move on either Russia or any former Soviet REpublic. It's just buying trouble they don't need.

Not that China is an aggressive nation to start with, but if they were in the mood for expansion, the first place they might want to look is Myanmar (Burma). The place is in Chaos, they could plausibly claim that they were restoring the peace.

 

[Hollie]

Really?

It seems if anything is weakening us, it's Trump's wrecking the global economy with a completely unnecessary war provoked by the Zionists.

The fact that Iran has effectively beaten us with a few mines and missiles makes us look like what Mao once called "A Paper Tiger".

Really Chatbot, the fact that you think your hero mullocrats beat anyone is laughable.

 

[Hollie]

You aren't helping at all.

The thing is, Iran wasn't attacking Europe, and Trump's war on Iran is doing HARM to Europe.

Yesterday, the PM of Spain called on China to take a larger role in world affairs.

Well yeah, Spain’istan has lots of clever ideas.

 

[drudge X]

When did they say this? Do you have a link, or are you just making stuff up.

China doesn't even want to lay a claim to Outer Mongolia, much less Siberia or Outer Manchuria.

You know how to search right?