The 2020 Election: An Objective Look. Was it Rigged or was it Fair?

[Foxfyre]

Can't trust that as then they can drop off hundreds in secret drive up. No camera. USPS in CA also known to toss some Zip codes ballots.

They Collect all returned mail ballots (Vacant lots, bad zip codes, Shell stations etc.) w/o tracking, piled up on pallets. This was reported key in 2020 to flood out ballots to bad addeesses. They get used by mules later. Some deny the whistleblower statements. Not worth the cgotcha.

AZ reportedly sent out 32K with bad zip code early...whoops. fixed it resent. Where is the audit if the first 32K? Uh-huh, gotcha. Anything goes. No penalty for GOVT workers who are deep State. Just dont respond, it goes away.

Still, there are some people who simply cannot easily get to the polls due to disabilities or whatever, can't stand in line, but who are still cognitively competent and want to vote. Absentee ballots should always be an option for such people. But if absentee ballots are signed before a witness and notarized, that would eliminate a lot of the opportunity for fraud.

And we need to elect people who demand competence and ethics and integrity from our government institutions such as the USPS. If we continue to elect scoundrels, we can expect little of integrity from our government.

One rule of management that I think needs to be emphasized over and over:

A bad system can't be fixed by changing the people.
Bad people can't be fixed by changing the system.

It's takes both. A good system and good people in order to get good.

 

[g5000]

???? All the states that had mail-in voting in 2020 had mail-in voting in 2024.

Mail-in voting dropped after the pandemic. 30.3 percent 2024, 43 percent 2020.

People prefer voting in-person.

 

[leftwinger]

Still, there are some people who simply cannot easily get to the polls due to disabilities or whatever, can't stand in line, but who are still cognitively competent and want to vote. Absentee ballots should always be an option for such people. But if absentee ballots are signed before a witness and notarized, that would eliminate a lot of the opportunity for fraud.

And we need to elect people who demand competence and ethics and integrity from our government institutions such as the USPS. If we continue to elect scoundrels, we can expect little of integrity from our government.

One rule of management that I think needs to be emphasized over and over:

A bad system can't be fixed by changing the people.
Bad people can't be fixed by changing the system.

It's takes both. A good system and good people in order to get good.

True that. True valid absentee. I said yesterday requiring drop off defeats the purpose of mail in or absentee. It's touchy.

Notary costs money. Here comes the DEM.

 

[leftwinger]

Mail-in voting dropped after the pandemic. 30.3 percent 2024, 43 percent 2020.

People prefer voting in-person.

Disagree. The whole left coast going 100% mail in. Dropping my butt.

 

[g5000]

That doesn't answer the question of why the amount of voters dropped so significantly. They could have just as easily mailed in their votes in 2024 just like they did in 2020.

The number of voters did not drop significantly. As usual, WelfareQueen is horrendously wrong.

158 million in 2020.

156 million in 2024.

 

[Stuartbirdan2]

How did trump win two rigged elections?

 

[WelfareQueen]

Once again creating a major impediment to voting when you can’t identify a single fraudulent vote

Easy to do
Just show where anyone tried to vote and found someone had voted in their name.

You claim it happens all the time

Show where it didn't happen. See what I did there. There were huge problems with the 2020 election that were acknowledged in various courts. But the cattle had already left the barn. 2024 the Trump team was able to stop a lot of it, at least in the swing States.

 

[Stuartbirdan2]

 

[g5000]

Also, Pennsylvania, among other states, continued accepting mail in ballots after election day in defiance of State and Federal Law. Why?

Because you are wrong again.

Many state laws don't allow the counting of mail-in ballots until Election Day. So their results will obviously not be available on Election Day if there is a flood of such ballots as there was during the pandemic.

As for Pennsylvania, they only counted mail-in ballots that were postmarked by 8 pm on Election Day. Because there was such a flood of pandemic mail-in ballots, it took some time to count all the ballots which met the deadline.

The Supreme Court upheld this process.

 

[g5000]

Oh….oh….me….me

Blue states relied heavily on democrats Mail in with Republicans voting in person

Trump stupidly told his flock not to vote by mail-in ballot.

He then voted by mail-in ballot.

Try as they might….MAGA was unable to verify Trumps claims of voter fraud. Didn’t happen
Mail in ballots are traced to registered voters and must be signed and dated to be accepted
All states certified their results as fair and accurate
Pennsylvania and many other states accepted mail in ballots after the close of the election as long as they were postmarked by Election Day

Exactly.

 

[rightwinger]

Show where it didn't happen. See what I did there. There were huge problems with the 2020 election that were acknowledged in various courts. But the cattle had already left the barn. 2024 the Trump team was able to stop a lot of it, at least in the swing States.

You are the one claiming MILLIONS of fraudulent votes
Burden of proof is on you

I only asked for one

Fraudulent votes can be identified after the election
Republicans looked, but came up with nothing

 

[WelfareQueen]

Your numbers are incorrect.

Voter turnout in 2020 was 158,427,986.

Voter turnout in 2024 was 156,302,318.

About a 2 million difference. Your conspiracy is melting.

Maybe there was a special episode of Love Island on Election Night 2024.

Voter turnout in United States presidential elections - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Again, you are WAY off. Where are you getting these bogus numbers?

The difference between votes cast in California in 2020 and 2024 is 1,759,281.



Since your numbers have been way off so far, please provide a link for the Maricopa numbers.



Except there was no massive drop off in votes.

Your entire conspiracy theory is built on a false premise.


Your "facts" are wrong. Someone is feeding you bullshit. Who?

Trump stupidly told his flock not to vote by mail-in ballot.

He then voted by mail-in ballot.



Exactly.

Nope. Votes were counted that were received after election day in Pennsylvania in 2020. Key Quote:

In its ruling, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court said that ballots could be counted if they were received by 5 p.m. Nov. 6, as long as they were mailed by Election Day, Nov. 3. It also said that ballots without a postmark would "be presumed to have been mailed by Election Day" unless there was strong evidence to the contrary.


https://www.npr.org/2020/10/19/9224...can-count-ballots-received-after-election-day

 

[0311]

Show where it didn't happen. See what I did there. There were huge problems with the 2020 election that were acknowledged in various courts. But the cattle had already left the barn. 2024 the Trump team was able to stop a lot of it, at least in the swing States.

The Courts ruled against 45 over SIXTY ******* TIMES! He lost, there is no evidence of Election Fraud/Voter Fraud. All you have in unproven and unsupported allegation and wild ass MAGA MAGGOT Conspiracy theories. It was five years and you people still *****. IF it was(and it was not) rigged, the Dems would huge majorities in the House and the Senate. That did not happen.

 

[g5000]

Of course 2020, with COVID as the excuse, was the year of the mail in ballots. And most of us still believe that there was massive effort to cheat in that election.

That's because Trump told you sheep to bleev it. He's the worst sore loser of all time.

Voting by mail offers the greatest opportunities to cheat especially where some places intentionally turn a blind eye to the cheating.

Ipse dixit.

But admittedly the deep state operatives have become ever more bold year by year as they have taken control of our institutions and government and don't work as hard to hide it in recent years.

But verification becomes extremely difficult once the evidence has been compromised or destroyed.

I think we'll probably never know the whole truth of 2020.

We do know the whole truth.

This has been litigated countless times.

Trump lost. Get over it.

That will put you one up on Trump on the maturity scale.

 

[g5000]

The Courts ruled against 45 over SIXTY ******* TIMES!

Reality is not a thing in MAGA world. Only Dear Leader's lying words matter.

But they bleev they aren't in a cult.

 

[0311]

I have looked very, very closely at the 2020 election. No conspiracy bullshit, just as objectively as possible. This is what I found. You be the judge. And, if you disagree with any of the findings, give factual reasons why.


1. 155,507,476 total votes were cast in 2020. 140,609,765 total votes were cast in 2024. Almost 15,000,000 less votes were cast in 2024. Where did the 15,000,000 votes go? Any reasonable explanations?


2. California cast 7,500,000 million less votes in 2024 versus 2020. Can anyone explain this? And this drop off includes a former California Senator and Attorney General on the ballot.


3. The election can be stolen based on a handful on counties in key swing states. For instance, 70% of the population of Arizona lives in Maricopa County. In 2020 Maricopa County cast 2,036,439 votes. Trump lost. In 2024 Maricopa County cast 1,344,556 votes. Trump won. Maricopa County saw a 36% drop off in votes cast. Any reasonable explanations?


4. The massive drop off in votes from 2020 happened almost exclusively in Blue states. New York had a million less votes cast in 2024 from 8.5 million to 7.5 million. How is this possible? Washington State had 4,000,000 votes cast in 2020. Ony 2.5 million were cast in 2024. This is obviously impossible to have a 40% drop off in votes in a rapidly growing state.


5. Key swing states such as Georgia, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Wisconsin were among the very few states that saw vote totals stay the same in 2024 or go up slightly versus 2020. Why? My guess is the Trump Organization had a huge ground game in those states very closely monitoring to insure no cheating. Even so, known attempts were made to cheat in Pennsylvania as an example.



So, these are the facts I am aware of. I would really like to know your thoughts. What caused these massive changes in voting from 2020 to 2024? Please discuss.


Foxfyre

PoliticalChic


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Mac1958

rightwinger

Your so-called close look is loaded with MAGA LMAGGOT lies, distortions and lacks any real unbiased reporting. It was five years ago and you people still ***** losing. Get a ******* life. Even better, STOP listening to all of 47's lies.

 

[rightwinger]

It's very easy to do and you know it.

If it is so easy, why can’t you explain how it can be done without being detected?

 

[rightwinger]

Who's signature? If the signature is not verified (and in many states they are not) it is very, very easy to cheat.

Ok show how easy it is to get a ballot from a registered voter and not be detected

 

[Mashmont]

I have looked very, very closely at the 2020 election. No conspiracy bullshit, just as objectively as possible. This is what I found. You be the judge. And, if you disagree with any of the findings, give factual reasons why.


1. 155,507,476 total votes were cast in 2020. 140,609,765 total votes were cast in 2024. Almost 15,000,000 less votes were cast in 2024. Where did the 15,000,000 votes go? Any reasonable explanations?


2. California cast 7,500,000 million less votes in 2024 versus 2020. Can anyone explain this? And this drop off includes a former California Senator and Attorney General on the ballot.


3. The election can be stolen based on a handful on counties in key swing states. For instance, 70% of the population of Arizona lives in Maricopa County. In 2020 Maricopa County cast 2,036,439 votes. Trump lost. In 2024 Maricopa County cast 1,344,556 votes. Trump won. Maricopa County saw a 36% drop off in votes cast. Any reasonable explanations?


4. The massive drop off in votes from 2020 happened almost exclusively in Blue states. New York had a million less votes cast in 2024 from 8.5 million to 7.5 million. How is this possible? Washington State had 4,000,000 votes cast in 2020. Ony 2.5 million were cast in 2024. This is obviously impossible to have a 40% drop off in votes in a rapidly growing state.


5. Key swing states such as Georgia, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Wisconsin were among the very few states that saw vote totals stay the same in 2024 or go up slightly versus 2020. Why? My guess is the Trump Organization had a huge ground game in those states very closely monitoring to insure no cheating. Even so, known attempts were made to cheat in Pennsylvania as an example.



So, these are the facts I am aware of. I would really like to know your thoughts. What caused these massive changes in voting from 2020 to 2024? Please discuss.


Foxfyre

PoliticalChic

Mac1958

rightwinger

There is only one possible answer, and that is Democrat cheating through mail-in ballots and through illegals. Leftwingers will try to claim "Trump was so unpopular" which is nonsense. He was wildly popular. Trump won over 74 million votes, the most legitimate votes in American history until he broke his own record. His polling was also 6% higher than when he kicked Hillary's ass four years before.

The fact that mail-in ballots did not have to be verified was the key element in the heist. Millions of fake mail-in ballots voting only for president were sent in. That explains why the GOP swept Congressional elections in 2020 while supposedly losing the presidency.

The obviously demented Biden was the worst candidate in 100 years and barely campaigned. His vote percentage was the largest versus the US population in election history, surpassing all landslide victors. FDR in '36, Ike in '56, LBJ in '64, Nixon in '72, and Reagan in '84. Only idiots believe Biden was the most popular candidate of all time.

 

[0311]

If it is so easy, why can’t you explain how it can be done without being detected?

He can't and he knows it. But pushing the lie is all they have left.