Ok, Obama allies getting out the anti- Netanyahu vote certainly didn't have anything to do with it.
I'd like to thank Obama for helping Netanyahu with this great victory 
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Ok, Obama allies getting out the anti- Netanyahu vote certainly didn't have anything to do with it.
I'd like to thank Obama for helping Netanyahu with this great victory I'm happy Israel wins that's all that matters to me right now.And hearsay is supposed to be proof? Very weak.I have my sources, it was well known by people inside Israel. Obama helped Netanyahu in the end ,and I'm happy about thatWhere is your proof of this outrageous statement?
The Arab parties were targeted by Obama's people. They were bused in, this helped Netanyahu very much..Still they are not relevant
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I did however enjoy watching your obvious desperation as the leftist where going down in flames
Mindful
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Apartheid? Meet the Arab in Charge of Israel's Elections.
For the first time in the country’s history, an Arab judge is chairing the Central Elections Committee presiding over today’s national elections.
Justice Salim Jubran (pictured) is a Christian Arab who grew up in the north of Israel. In 2004, he became the first Israeli Arab to be appointed a permanent seat on the Supreme Court.
Earlier this year, he was given the daunting task of overseeing all those hot-button, contentious and touchy election issues like who gets campaign funding, preventing voter fraud and determining what constitutes fair play in the rock’em sock’em world of Israel’s political propaganda wars.
For example, it was Judge Jubran who decided to halt funding for Sunday night’s right-wing rally in Tel-Aviv.
Now, what kind of democracy gives a minority Christian Arab authority to prevent government support for an all Jewish, settlement-supporting political party? Only in Israel.
As an Apartheid State, Israel Really Stinks.
Apartheid Meet the Arab in Charge of Israel s Elections - Israel Today Israel News
For the first time in the country’s history, an Arab judge is chairing the Central Elections Committee presiding over today’s national elections.
Justice Salim Jubran (pictured) is a Christian Arab who grew up in the north of Israel. In 2004, he became the first Israeli Arab to be appointed a permanent seat on the Supreme Court.
Earlier this year, he was given the daunting task of overseeing all those hot-button, contentious and touchy election issues like who gets campaign funding, preventing voter fraud and determining what constitutes fair play in the rock’em sock’em world of Israel’s political propaganda wars.
For example, it was Judge Jubran who decided to halt funding for Sunday night’s right-wing rally in Tel-Aviv.
Now, what kind of democracy gives a minority Christian Arab authority to prevent government support for an all Jewish, settlement-supporting political party? Only in Israel.
As an Apartheid State, Israel Really Stinks.
Apartheid Meet the Arab in Charge of Israel s Elections - Israel Today Israel News
Ok, Obama allies getting out the anti- Netanyahu vote certainly didn't have anything to do with it.
Do you think it's a good thing for foreign politician to use an audience with our representatives for political campaigning? I don't.
People have made unsubstantiated allegations that Obama intervened in Israeli elections but so far have no actual evidence.
However we DO have actual evidence that the Republicans did - whether deliberately or not, they allowed Netanyahu to use them for his own political purposes as is clearly demonstrated by his use of it in a campaign advertisement (despite his blatent lie that this was not a campaign stunt).
Personally - I don't think Obama had much to do with the election outcome as I seriously doubt voters were focused on that, but maybe polling evidence will show differently.
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Ok, Obama allies getting out the anti- Netanyahu vote certainly didn't have anything to do with it.
Do you think it's a good thing for foreign politician to use an audience with our representatives for political campaigning? I don't.
People have made unsubstantiated allegations that Obama intervened in Israeli elections but so far have no actual evidence.
However we DO have actual evidence that the Republicans did - whether deliberately or not, they allowed Netanyahu to use them for his own political purposes as is clearly demonstrated by his use of it in a campaign advertisement (despite his blatent lie that this was not a campaign stunt).
Personally - I don't think Obama had much to do with the election outcome as I seriously doubt voters were focused on that, but maybe polling evidence will show differently.
You really think that american candidates have not traveled to give the idea to voters they understand and willing to act on international politics? They are doing it for votes. They give speeches about what their policy will involve oversea. Why was being invited to speak on Iran, major supporter of terrorism, as a nuclear threat to the middle east and the world so different? Obama is touting his talks with Iran as nearing a close but hides the details that could effect everyone. Netanyahu has been dealing with the Iranian threat for decades. His input and the life of his nation are vital in all of this
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Ahem.....I called this election at 4pm EST (1pm in Phoenix).....The 2015 Israeli legislative Knesset election thread Page 15 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum then my thread was merged with all this crap.....still, it should be noted that I was right very EARLY in the game. Those who confront and insult me in the future might take note of that to avoid being haunted by my awesomeness down the line.
Ok, Obama allies getting out the anti- Netanyahu vote certainly didn't have anything to do with it.
Do you think it's a good thing for foreign politician to use an audience with our representatives for political campaigning? I don't.
People have made unsubstantiated allegations that Obama intervened in Israeli elections but so far have no actual evidence.
However we DO have actual evidence that the Republicans did - whether deliberately or not, they allowed Netanyahu to use them for his own political purposes as is clearly demonstrated by his use of it in a campaign advertisement (despite his blatent lie that this was not a campaign stunt).
Personally - I don't think Obama had much to do with the election outcome as I seriously doubt voters were focused on that, but maybe polling evidence will show differently.
You really think that american candidates have not traveled to give the idea to voters they understand and willing to act on international politics? They are doing it for votes. They give speeches about what their policy will involve oversea. Why was being invited to speak on Iran, major supporter of terrorism, as a nuclear threat to the middle east and the world so different? Obama is touting his talks with Iran as nearing a close but hides the details that could effect everyone. Netanyahu has been dealing with the Iranian threat for decades. His input and the life of his nation are vital in all of this
His administration has leaked details of the negotiations as they were going on. As far as I'm concerned - his input can go fly a kite. That is not the kind of ally we can trust. Netanyahu has been crying wolf and making false claims about Iran's nuclear capabilities for over a decade doing everything possible to prevent a diplomatic solution.
Does he and Israel have a legitimate concern? Yes. But their concern ends, imo, when they try to sabotage negotiations in this manner and draw us into an armed conflict.
If he wanted to speak before Congress - he couldn't have done so AFTER the elections? Really now?
How many candidates have used an address before the government of a foreign country in their campaign?
Obama is my president - as Bush was. Not Netanyahu.
WelfareQueen
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Ok, Obama allies getting out the anti- Netanyahu vote certainly didn't have anything to do with it.
Do you think it's a good thing for foreign politician to use an audience with our representatives for political campaigning? I don't.
People have made unsubstantiated allegations that Obama intervened in Israeli elections but so far have no actual evidence.
However we DO have actual evidence that the Republicans did - whether deliberately or not, they allowed Netanyahu to use them for his own political purposes as is clearly demonstrated by his use of it in a campaign advertisement (despite his blatent lie that this was not a campaign stunt).
Personally - I don't think Obama had much to do with the election outcome as I seriously doubt voters were focused on that, but maybe polling evidence will show differently.
No....Obama and his people directly interfered with Israel's election. State Dept money was funneled into opposition parties in an attempt to defeat Bibi. A high level Obama staffer was also actively working against Netanyahu.
You counter this with Bibi speaking before Congress? Sorry.
Nobody beats Obama and his people for utter corruption.
Source Senate panel probing possible Obama administration ties to anti-Netanyahu effort Fox News
BullKurtz
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There is no "diplomatic solution" to stop Iran from having the bomb. There will be no agreement because all this charade has done is lighten the sanctions on Iran. It's a stalling tactic that's kept the IDF from striking their facilities. While Kerry brays nonsense and Barry has his geek squad trying to upend Bibi, Iran continues processing uranium and plutonium (which is never used to generate electricity). One of the reasons Obozo doesn't clean house on ISIS is that he wants to control Iraqi airspace so Netanyahu can't send his bombers to Tehran. He's threatened to shoot them down...an order I doubt US pilots would follow.
Ok, Obama allies getting out the anti- Netanyahu vote certainly didn't have anything to do with it.
Do you think it's a good thing for foreign politician to use an audience with our representatives for political campaigning? I don't.
People have made unsubstantiated allegations that Obama intervened in Israeli elections but so far have no actual evidence.
However we DO have actual evidence that the Republicans did - whether deliberately or not, they allowed Netanyahu to use them for his own political purposes as is clearly demonstrated by his use of it in a campaign advertisement (despite his blatent lie that this was not a campaign stunt).
Personally - I don't think Obama had much to do with the election outcome as I seriously doubt voters were focused on that, but maybe polling evidence will show differently.
No....Obama and his people directly interfered with Israel's election. State Dept money was funneled into opposition parties in an attempt to defeat Bibi. A high level Obama staffer was also actively working against Netanyahu.
You counter this with Bibi speaking before Congress? Sorry.
Nobody beats Obama and his people for utter corruption.
Source Senate panel probing possible Obama administration ties to anti-Netanyahu effort Fox News
You have:
- a planned "probe" based on a report that is attributed to a single anonymous source, with "knowledge of the panel’s activities"
- No named sources.
- Unanamed "top operatives of Obama’s White House"
- Unsubstantiated claims by Netanyahu
- Former campaign staffers (who are private citizens)
- A State Department grant, which ran out in November (well ahead of elections) and that ran out before the group in question (V15) even existed..
"Well, this is a report – just so people who haven’t followed this as closely know what the details are – about a group called OneVoice. The U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv provided a grant to OneVoice to promote dialogue and support for peace negotiations and a two-state solution. That grant ran from September of 2013 to November of 2014. During the period of the grant, as is standard practice, the U.S. Embassy approved OneVoice Israel’s implementation plan for the grant and monitored its performance. And, as is routine for such a grant, final payments are disbursed after the grantee provides documentation showing completion of the grant terms. Now you’ve learned more about U.S. Government grants than you ever thought you needed to know.
The grant ended before the advent of V15. It ended before there was a declaration of an Israeli election. We’ve seen the media reports about the activities of V15, but the embassy has not provided any funds, support, or direction to the group."
The grant ended before the advent of V15. It ended before there was a declaration of an Israeli election. We’ve seen the media reports about the activities of V15, but the embassy has not provided any funds, support, or direction to the group."
- This, from the article: No direct link has been confirmed between Obama and the anti-Netanyahu campaign in Israel,
- and it's from Fox News.
This is your evidence
I counter it with Netanyahu disrespecting our - OUR - president, and using OUR Congress to make a campaign speech.
WelfareQueen
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Ok, Obama allies getting out the anti- Netanyahu vote certainly didn't have anything to do with it.
Do you think it's a good thing for foreign politician to use an audience with our representatives for political campaigning? I don't.
People have made unsubstantiated allegations that Obama intervened in Israeli elections but so far have no actual evidence.
However we DO have actual evidence that the Republicans did - whether deliberately or not, they allowed Netanyahu to use them for his own political purposes as is clearly demonstrated by his use of it in a campaign advertisement (despite his blatent lie that this was not a campaign stunt).
Personally - I don't think Obama had much to do with the election outcome as I seriously doubt voters were focused on that, but maybe polling evidence will show differently.
No....Obama and his people directly interfered with Israel's election. State Dept money was funneled into opposition parties in an attempt to defeat Bibi. A high level Obama staffer was also actively working against Netanyahu.
You counter this with Bibi speaking before Congress? Sorry.
Nobody beats Obama and his people for utter corruption.
Source Senate panel probing possible Obama administration ties to anti-Netanyahu effort Fox News
You have:
- a planned "probe" based on a report that is attributed to a single anonymous source, with "knowledge of the panel’s activities"
- No named sources.
- Unanamed "top operatives of Obama’s White House"
- Unsubstantiated claims by Netanyahu
- Former campaign staffers (who are private citizens)
- A State Department grant, which ran out in November (well ahead of elections) and that ran out before the group in question (V15) even existed..
"Well, this is a report – just so people who haven’t followed this as closely know what the details are – about a group called OneVoice. The U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv provided a grant to OneVoice to promote dialogue and support for peace negotiations and a two-state solution. That grant ran from September of 2013 to November of 2014. During the period of the grant, as is standard practice, the U.S. Embassy approved OneVoice Israel’s implementation plan for the grant and monitored its performance. And, as is routine for such a grant, final payments are disbursed after the grantee provides documentation showing completion of the grant terms. Now you’ve learned more about U.S. Government grants than you ever thought you needed to know.
The grant ended before the advent of V15. It ended before there was a declaration of an Israeli election. We’ve seen the media reports about the activities of V15, but the embassy has not provided any funds, support, or direction to the group."
- This, from the article: No direct link has been confirmed between Obama and the anti-Netanyahu campaign in Israel,
- and it's from Fox News.
This is your evidence
I counter it with Netanyahu disrespecting our - OUR - president, and using OUR Congress to make a campaign speech.
Why is Israel's Prime Minister speaking to the American People disrespecting Obama?
Now the Obama Administration calling Netanyahu "a chickenshit" is desrespectful.
Senior Obama official Israeli PM Netanyahu is chickenshit WashingtonExaminer.com
This is evidence. There are hundreds of similar links. Coyote....sorry...but this has been known for months. Educate yourself.
Obama army deploys to Tel Aviv to topple Netanyahu
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Thanks for putting this thread together Stat! Very interesting.
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OneVoice, which until November was headed by a veteran diplomat from the Clinton administration, quickly bushed off claims from critics that its backing of V15 meant it was targeting Netanyahu. Such an effort would be illegal under its tax-exempt status, which falls under section 501(c)3 of the Internal Revenue Code.
Just five days after the public dispatch of the Cruz-Zeldin letter, a “corporation service company” registered a new funding entity in Delaware called PeaceWorks Action, Inc. under a section of the tax code that still governs nonprofits, but allows them to engage in a limited amount of political activity. Listed under section is 501(c)4 of the tax code, PeaceWorks Action, Inc. is now featured on the OneVoice Website as one of OneVoice’s funders, alongside PeaceWorks Foundation, whose name has long been present, and which holds 501(c)3 status like OneVoice itself.
Critics are likely to see the registration as tacit admission that it had indulged in political activity alongside V15, which itself has been advised by former Obama campaign aides, including his top field organizer, Jeremy Bird.
Obama-linked nonprofit filed for new IRS status after accusation of meddling in Israeli election Fox News
Just five days after the public dispatch of the Cruz-Zeldin letter, a “corporation service company” registered a new funding entity in Delaware called PeaceWorks Action, Inc. under a section of the tax code that still governs nonprofits, but allows them to engage in a limited amount of political activity. Listed under section is 501(c)4 of the tax code, PeaceWorks Action, Inc. is now featured on the OneVoice Website as one of OneVoice’s funders, alongside PeaceWorks Foundation, whose name has long been present, and which holds 501(c)3 status like OneVoice itself.
Critics are likely to see the registration as tacit admission that it had indulged in political activity alongside V15, which itself has been advised by former Obama campaign aides, including his top field organizer, Jeremy Bird.
Obama-linked nonprofit filed for new IRS status after accusation of meddling in Israeli election Fox News
Statistikhengst
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Not when it's a private conversation. Seriously - you don't think Netanyahu or any other political leader doesn't privately say some pretty disrespectful stuff about each other?
What about leaking sensitive elements of a negotiation in progress - is that disrespectful?
WND? Seriously, WND? That is your source?
And again...where is your evidence? This article has even LESS information.
V15 (OneVoice International and 270 Strategies (Our Story 270 Strategies appear to be two groups who, according to WND, include 14 former campaign staffers among them. Looking at the articles list of staffers, and the V15 - aren't even high enough in that organization to be on the board nor are they listed on the team. 270 Solutions is a grass roots organizing group that V15 employs. It was created by former staffer Bird and includes amongst it's clients a broad assortment of clients.
So...where is this evidence?
So basically, what you have is a grasping of straws attempting link it to Obama. If laws were violated - political activity by a tax exempt entity, that is actionable. But claim Obama is engaging in it simply because it's a former campaign staffer (out of several thousand).....is a stretch, pretty much a fallacy of innuendo.
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I don't know if the U.S. "interfered" in the election in Israel, however, the U.S. "interferes" in elections all over the world in defense of its interests. The end of the two-state solution certainly goes against U.S. interests and has caused the U.S. to lose a tremendous amount of leverage vis-a-vis the Europeans and the Muslim world. U.S. policy will have to undergo a tremendous change with respect to its approach to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict with the two-state solution now formally not viable.
You asked for evidence and there it is in black and white. They tried to backtrack and get a new IRS status but Lois Lerner doesn't work there anymore and they got caught red-handed.
Where is the evidence that Obama is doing this? Again - there isn't any. It's innuendo.
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