The 2015 Israeli legislative (Knesset) election thread

The Yachad fell just 12,000 votes short of passing the threshold.
Didn't the Palestinian parties do well...........Templar......considering...steve

Your relativism notwithstanding, yes.


The Arab parties were targeted by Obama's people. They were bused in, this helped Netanyahu very much..Still they are not relevant:)
Where is your proof of this outrageous statement?

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I have my sources, it was well known by people inside Israel. Obama helped Netanyahu in the end ,and I'm happy about that :)
I have my sources, it was well known by people inside Israel

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Where is the evidence that Obama is doing this? Again - there isn't any. It's innuendo.

His State Dept. gave the group $350,000 of our tax dollars to operate.....are you suggesting he didn't know about that?
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So basically, what you have is a grasping of straws attempting link it to Obama. If laws were violated - political activity by a tax exempt entity, that is actionable. But claim Obama is engaging in it simply because it's a former campaign staffer (out of several thousand).....is a stretch, pretty much a fallacy of innuendo.

:lol: You asked for evidence and there it is in black and white. They tried to backtrack and get a new IRS status but Lois Lerner doesn't work there anymore and they got caught red-handed.


Where is the evidence that Obama is doing this? Again - there isn't any. It's innuendo.
Ya Obama aides do something and it isn't Obama, but bush aides do something and it was proof Bush did it right? How often has the left made the claim that some associate of some republican doing something is proof that republican did it? And remind us how you claimed it wasn't true.
 
Obama made it partially about Obama

No. The Republicans made it about Obama by inviting Netanyahu to speak shortly before elections. Netanyahu then used that for his political campaign ad. Just as was predicted.


Ok, Obama allies getting out the anti- Netanyahu vote certainly didn't have anything to do with it.:slap: I'd like to thank Obama for helping Netanyahu with this great victory :)

Do you think it's a good thing for foreign politician to use an audience with our representatives for political campaigning? I don't.

People have made unsubstantiated allegations that Obama intervened in Israeli elections but so far have no actual evidence.

However we DO have actual evidence that the Republicans did - whether deliberately or not, they allowed Netanyahu to use them for his own political purposes as is clearly demonstrated by his use of it in a campaign advertisement (despite his blatent lie that this was not a campaign stunt).

Personally - I don't think Obama had much to do with the election outcome as I seriously doubt voters were focused on that, but maybe polling evidence will show differently.

You really think that american candidates have not traveled to give the idea to voters they understand and willing to act on international politics? They are doing it for votes. They give speeches about what their policy will involve oversea. Why was being invited to speak on Iran, major supporter of terrorism, as a nuclear threat to the middle east and the world so different? Obama is touting his talks with Iran as nearing a close but hides the details that could effect everyone. Netanyahu has been dealing with the Iranian threat for decades. His input and the life of his nation are vital in all of this

His administration has leaked details of the negotiations as they were going on. As far as I'm concerned - his input can go fly a kite. That is not the kind of ally we can trust. Netanyahu has been crying wolf and making false claims about Iran's nuclear capabilities for over a decade doing everything possible to prevent a diplomatic solution.

Does he and Israel have a legitimate concern? Yes. But their concern ends, imo, when they try to sabotage negotiations in this manner and draw us into an armed conflict.

If he wanted to speak before Congress - he couldn't have done so AFTER the elections? Really now?

How many candidates have used an address before the government of a foreign country in their campaign?

Obama is my president - as Bush was. Not Netanyahu.

You think congress should be uninformed and Obama do everything by executive order and bypass congress and the courts altogether?
That is not the way the government is supposed to work. Congress has to be informed, so should the people to some extent to know what is at risk.
Netanyahu did not really leak anything was was not already expected or known. Not just Israel and the US were at risk with the "Obama" agreement being negotiated but the world as well. Yes, we should know what is involved before any thing is signed. It should be approved or rejected by congress. I'd like to see it go through the military and even a public vote. This is our lives at stake.
 
Didn't the Palestinian parties do well...........Templar......considering...steve

Your relativism notwithstanding, yes.


The Arab parties were targeted by Obama's people. They were bused in, this helped Netanyahu very much..Still they are not relevant:)
Where is your proof of this outrageous statement?

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I have my sources, it was well known by people inside Israel. Obama helped Netanyahu in the end ,and I'm happy about that :)
I have my sources, it was well known by people inside Israel

:alcoholic::booze::bsflag:

a shanda fur die goy

It was all over the news and internet in Israel.
Israel voters are well informed and educated on the issues.
The majority of their news is not controlled by the Liberals like they are here in America.
ZionTimes.com...Israel - Obama Sends Political Team To Israel To Defeat Netanyahu Funded By State Dept.
The Lid Obama Sends Political Team To Israel To Defeat Netanyahu Funded By State Dept.
Partial List of One Voice Sponsors: Including The US State Department

Likud says Isaac Herzog breaking fundraising laws - Israel Elections - Jerusalem Post
Deputy ministers Tzipi Hotovely and Ophir Akunis, MKs Miri Regev and Yariv Levin, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s attorney David Shimron presented evidence connecting the Zionist Union to V15 (Victory in 2015), an organization working to bring down the government, which has received funding from non-Israeli citizens S. Daniel Abraham and Daniel Lubetzky.

 
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No. The Republicans made it about Obama by inviting Netanyahu to speak shortly before elections. Netanyahu then used that for his political campaign ad. Just as was predicted.


Ok, Obama allies getting out the anti- Netanyahu vote certainly didn't have anything to do with it.:slap: I'd like to thank Obama for helping Netanyahu with this great victory :)

Do you think it's a good thing for foreign politician to use an audience with our representatives for political campaigning? I don't.

People have made unsubstantiated allegations that Obama intervened in Israeli elections but so far have no actual evidence.

However we DO have actual evidence that the Republicans did - whether deliberately or not, they allowed Netanyahu to use them for his own political purposes as is clearly demonstrated by his use of it in a campaign advertisement (despite his blatent lie that this was not a campaign stunt).

Personally - I don't think Obama had much to do with the election outcome as I seriously doubt voters were focused on that, but maybe polling evidence will show differently.

You really think that american candidates have not traveled to give the idea to voters they understand and willing to act on international politics? They are doing it for votes. They give speeches about what their policy will involve oversea. Why was being invited to speak on Iran, major supporter of terrorism, as a nuclear threat to the middle east and the world so different? Obama is touting his talks with Iran as nearing a close but hides the details that could effect everyone. Netanyahu has been dealing with the Iranian threat for decades. His input and the life of his nation are vital in all of this

His administration has leaked details of the negotiations as they were going on. As far as I'm concerned - his input can go fly a kite. That is not the kind of ally we can trust. Netanyahu has been crying wolf and making false claims about Iran's nuclear capabilities for over a decade doing everything possible to prevent a diplomatic solution.

Does he and Israel have a legitimate concern? Yes. But their concern ends, imo, when they try to sabotage negotiations in this manner and draw us into an armed conflict.

If he wanted to speak before Congress - he couldn't have done so AFTER the elections? Really now?

How many candidates have used an address before the government of a foreign country in their campaign?

Obama is my president - as Bush was. Not Netanyahu.

You think congress should be uninformed and Obama do everything by executive order and bypass congress and the courts altogether?

Congress does not need to be and is not a party to every negotiated agreement and neither are the courts. Look at the history of the Salt Talks for example, the Iran Contra affair, the establishment of direct talks with China and Russia. Why exactly should this be any different?

That is not the way the government is supposed to work. Congress has to be informed, so should the people to some extent to know what is at risk.

Not necessarily. The two branches of government are co-equal, but seperate - and they have their own distinct responsibilities. Congress was not kept totally in the dark but in any negotiation you don't put everything out in the open or public consumption. When Bush decided to go to invade Iraq - was Congress fully informed? No. A good bit of intelligence was held back (mostly intelligence indicating what a bad idea it was).

Netanyahu did not really leak anything was was not already expected or known.

Yes. He did. And whether or not he did he should not have done it.

Not just Israel and the US were at risk with the "Obama" agreement being negotiated but the world as well. Yes, we should know what is involved before any thing is signed. It should be approved or rejected by congress. I'd like to see it go through the military and even a public vote. This is our lives at stake.

These things are not decided by "popular opinion" - that is a incredibly hazardous course to go on. Israel wants to drag us into another armed conflict in the Middle East. Those are OUR lives at stake.
 
Your relativism notwithstanding, yes.


The Arab parties were targeted by Obama's people. They were bused in, this helped Netanyahu very much..Still they are not relevant:)
Where is your proof of this outrageous statement?

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I have my sources, it was well known by people inside Israel. Obama helped Netanyahu in the end ,and I'm happy about that :)
I have my sources, it was well known by people inside Israel

:alcoholic::booze::bsflag:

a shanda fur die goy

It was all over the news and internet in Israel.
Israel voters are well informed and educated on the issues.
The majority of their news is not controlled by the Liberals like they are here in America.
ZionTimes.com...Israel - Obama Sends Political Team To Israel To Defeat Netanyahu Funded By State Dept.
The Lid Obama Sends Political Team To Israel To Defeat Netanyahu Funded By State Dept.
Partial List of One Voice Sponsors: Including The US State Department

Likud says Isaac Herzog breaking fundraising laws - Israel Elections - Jerusalem Post
Deputy ministers Tzipi Hotovely and Ophir Akunis, MKs Miri Regev and Yariv Levin, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s attorney David Shimron presented evidence connecting the Zionist Union to V15 (Victory in 2015), an organization working to bring down the government, which has received funding from non-Israeli citizens S. Daniel Abraham and Daniel Lubetzky.

Again - no actual evidence. It was already clearly shown that the State Department grant was not even given to the V15 group, and the grant expired prior to the election announcement.
 
Unlike your paranoid delusions I know that Congress gets its own intel briefs separate and distinct from what the President receives on a daily basis. The President did not withhold anything from Congress on Iraq. He couldn't. And the different intel agencies which DEPEND on Congressional support would not lie for him. So much for THAT claim. As for TREATIES or agreements that abrogate Congressional action in the Foreign affairs matter the Senate MUST approve by a large margin the President does not have the authority or Constitutional power to act with out them in those regards. The President can not tell Congress that its sanctions of Iraq will be ended with out approval of Congress.
 
The Arab parties were targeted by Obama's people. They were bused in, this helped Netanyahu very much..Still they are not relevant:)
Where is your proof of this outrageous statement?

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I have my sources, it was well known by people inside Israel. Obama helped Netanyahu in the end ,and I'm happy about that :)
I have my sources, it was well known by people inside Israel

:alcoholic::booze::bsflag:

a shanda fur die goy

It was all over the news and internet in Israel.
Israel voters are well informed and educated on the issues.
The majority of their news is not controlled by the Liberals like they are here in America.
ZionTimes.com...Israel - Obama Sends Political Team To Israel To Defeat Netanyahu Funded By State Dept.
The Lid Obama Sends Political Team To Israel To Defeat Netanyahu Funded By State Dept.
Partial List of One Voice Sponsors: Including The US State Department

Likud says Isaac Herzog breaking fundraising laws - Israel Elections - Jerusalem Post
Deputy ministers Tzipi Hotovely and Ophir Akunis, MKs Miri Regev and Yariv Levin, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s attorney David Shimron presented evidence connecting the Zionist Union to V15 (Victory in 2015), an organization working to bring down the government, which has received funding from non-Israeli citizens S. Daniel Abraham and Daniel Lubetzky.

Again - no actual evidence. It was already clearly shown that the State Department grant was not even given to the V15 group, and the grant expired prior to the election announcement.

Whoops:

Obama-linked nonprofit filed for new IRS status after accusation of meddling in Israeli election Fox News
 
Unlike your paranoid delusions I know that Congress gets its own intel briefs separate and distinct from what the President receives on a daily basis. The President did not withhold anything from Congress on Iraq. He couldn't. And the different intel agencies which DEPEND on Congressional support would not lie for him. So much for THAT claim. As for TREATIES or agreements that abrogate Congressional action in the Foreign affairs matter the Senate MUST approve by a large margin the President does not have the authority or Constitutional power to act with out them in those regards. The President can not tell Congress that its sanctions of Iraq will be ended with out approval of Congress.

The intelligence agencies answer first to the President and information can be excluded from Congress or given only to select members.
Look up the history of Executive Agreements.
The sanctions are an international effort.
 
Where is your proof of this outrageous statement?

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I have my sources, it was well known by people inside Israel. Obama helped Netanyahu in the end ,and I'm happy about that :)
I have my sources, it was well known by people inside Israel

:alcoholic::booze::bsflag:

a shanda fur die goy

It was all over the news and internet in Israel.
Israel voters are well informed and educated on the issues.
The majority of their news is not controlled by the Liberals like they are here in America.
ZionTimes.com...Israel - Obama Sends Political Team To Israel To Defeat Netanyahu Funded By State Dept.
The Lid Obama Sends Political Team To Israel To Defeat Netanyahu Funded By State Dept.
Partial List of One Voice Sponsors: Including The US State Department

Likud says Isaac Herzog breaking fundraising laws - Israel Elections - Jerusalem Post
Deputy ministers Tzipi Hotovely and Ophir Akunis, MKs Miri Regev and Yariv Levin, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s attorney David Shimron presented evidence connecting the Zionist Union to V15 (Victory in 2015), an organization working to bring down the government, which has received funding from non-Israeli citizens S. Daniel Abraham and Daniel Lubetzky.

Again - no actual evidence. It was already clearly shown that the State Department grant was not even given to the V15 group, and the grant expired prior to the election announcement.

Whoops:

Obama-linked nonprofit filed for new IRS status after accusation of meddling in Israeli election Fox News

Oops what? That doesn't change anything :dunno:
 
I have my sources, it was well known by people inside Israel. Obama helped Netanyahu in the end ,and I'm happy about that :)
I have my sources, it was well known by people inside Israel

:alcoholic::booze::bsflag:

a shanda fur die goy

It was all over the news and internet in Israel.
Israel voters are well informed and educated on the issues.
The majority of their news is not controlled by the Liberals like they are here in America.
ZionTimes.com...Israel - Obama Sends Political Team To Israel To Defeat Netanyahu Funded By State Dept.
The Lid Obama Sends Political Team To Israel To Defeat Netanyahu Funded By State Dept.
Partial List of One Voice Sponsors: Including The US State Department

Likud says Isaac Herzog breaking fundraising laws - Israel Elections - Jerusalem Post
Deputy ministers Tzipi Hotovely and Ophir Akunis, MKs Miri Regev and Yariv Levin, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s attorney David Shimron presented evidence connecting the Zionist Union to V15 (Victory in 2015), an organization working to bring down the government, which has received funding from non-Israeli citizens S. Daniel Abraham and Daniel Lubetzky.

Again - no actual evidence. It was already clearly shown that the State Department grant was not even given to the V15 group, and the grant expired prior to the election announcement.

Whoops:

Obama-linked nonprofit filed for new IRS status after accusation of meddling in Israeli election Fox News

Oops what? That doesn't change anything :dunno:

Yes it does. Why did they suddenly file for a new IRS status following the accusation? Perhaps because it was true, they did misuse State Department grants to influence the Israeli election. Actions speak louder than words. It was an acknowledgement that they violated their 501(c)(3) status under IRS regulations.
 
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Unlike your paranoid delusions I know that Congress gets its own intel briefs separate and distinct from what the President receives on a daily basis. The President did not withhold anything from Congress on Iraq. He couldn't. And the different intel agencies which DEPEND on Congressional support would not lie for him. So much for THAT claim. As for TREATIES or agreements that abrogate Congressional action in the Foreign affairs matter the Senate MUST approve by a large margin the President does not have the authority or Constitutional power to act with out them in those regards. The President can not tell Congress that its sanctions of Iraq will be ended with out approval of Congress.

The intelligence agencies answer first to the President and information can be excluded from Congress or given only to select members.
Look up the history of Executive Agreements.
The sanctions are an international effort.
Wrong, the President does not get to prevent the appropriate committees from receiving intel reports. Further you have no actual evidence that Bush made any such Order, in fact three separate congressional investigations all found he did no such thing. As for US sanctions those are from Congress the President can not sign them away with out Senate approval.
 
A lot of people seem to be making this election out to be about Obama. That's pretty hilarious. Do Israeli voters go to the polls thinking hmmm....this candidate is too close to Obama, I'm not voting for him?


Obama made it partially about Obama

No. The Republicans made it about Obama by inviting Netanyahu to speak shortly before elections. Netanyahu then used that for his political campaign ad. Just as was predicted.

Seems it worked well. Now if the republicans can do the same in 2016.........

Greg
 
No. The Republicans made it about Obama by inviting Netanyahu to speak shortly before elections. Netanyahu then used that for his political campaign ad. Just as was predicted.


Ok, Obama allies getting out the anti- Netanyahu vote certainly didn't have anything to do with it.:slap: I'd like to thank Obama for helping Netanyahu with this great victory :)

Do you think it's a good thing for foreign politician to use an audience with our representatives for political campaigning? I don't.

People have made unsubstantiated allegations that Obama intervened in Israeli elections but so far have no actual evidence.

However we DO have actual evidence that the Republicans did - whether deliberately or not, they allowed Netanyahu to use them for his own political purposes as is clearly demonstrated by his use of it in a campaign advertisement (despite his blatent lie that this was not a campaign stunt).

Personally - I don't think Obama had much to do with the election outcome as I seriously doubt voters were focused on that, but maybe polling evidence will show differently.


No....Obama and his people directly interfered with Israel's election. State Dept money was funneled into opposition parties in an attempt to defeat Bibi. A high level Obama staffer was also actively working against Netanyahu.

You counter this with Bibi speaking before Congress? Sorry. :(
Nobody beats Obama and his people for utter corruption.


Source Senate panel probing possible Obama administration ties to anti-Netanyahu effort Fox News

You have:
  • a planned "probe" based on a report that is attributed to a single anonymous source, with "knowledge of the panel’s activities"
  • No named sources.
  • Unanamed "top operatives of Obama’s White House"
  • Unsubstantiated claims by Netanyahu
  • Former campaign staffers (who are private citizens)


"Well, this is a report – just so people who haven’t followed this as closely know what the details are – about a group called OneVoice. The U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv provided a grant to OneVoice to promote dialogue and support for peace negotiations and a two-state solution. That grant ran from September of 2013 to November of 2014. During the period of the grant, as is standard practice, the U.S. Embassy approved OneVoice Israel’s implementation plan for the grant and monitored its performance. And, as is routine for such a grant, final payments are disbursed after the grantee provides documentation showing completion of the grant terms. Now you’ve learned more about U.S. Government grants than you ever thought you needed to know.

The grant ended before the advent of V15. It ended before there was a declaration of an Israeli election. We’ve seen the media reports about the activities of V15, but the embassy has not provided any funds, support, or direction to the group."

  • This, from the article: No direct link has been confirmed between Obama and the anti-Netanyahu campaign in Israel,
  • and it's from Fox News.

This is your evidence

I counter it with Netanyahu disrespecting our - OUR - president, and using OUR Congress to make a campaign speech.


Why is Israel's Prime Minister speaking to the American People disrespecting Obama?

Now the Obama Administration calling Netanyahu "a chickenshit" is desrespectful.

Senior Obama official Israeli PM Netanyahu is chickenshit WashingtonExaminer.com

This is evidence. There are hundreds of similar links. Coyote....sorry...but this has been known for months. Educate yourself.

Obama army deploys to Tel Aviv to topple Netanyahu


Bibi, by the will if the People of Israel, was and is the Prime Minister if Israel. He is no "chickenshit"!!

Greg
 
OneVoice, which until November was headed by a veteran diplomat from the Clinton administration, quickly bushed off claims from critics that its backing of V15 meant it was targeting Netanyahu. Such an effort would be illegal under its tax-exempt status, which falls under section 501(c)3 of the Internal Revenue Code.

Just five days after the public dispatch of the Cruz-Zeldin letter, a “corporation service company” registered a new funding entity in Delaware called PeaceWorks Action, Inc. under a section of the tax code that still governs nonprofits, but allows them to engage in a limited amount of political activity. Listed under section is 501(c)4 of the tax code, PeaceWorks Action, Inc. is now featured on the OneVoice Website as one of OneVoice’s funders, alongside PeaceWorks Foundation, whose name has long been present, and which holds 501(c)3 status like OneVoice itself.

Critics are likely to see the registration as tacit admission that it had indulged in political activity alongside V15, which itself has been advised by former Obama campaign aides, including his top field organizer, Jeremy Bird.


Obama-linked nonprofit filed for new IRS status after accusation of meddling in Israeli election Fox News

So Obama gave Bibi the Bird?? That didn't work out too well at all.

Greg
 
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A lot of people seem to be making this election out to be about Obama. That's pretty hilarious. Do Israeli voters go to the polls thinking hmmm....this candidate is too close to Obama, I'm not voting for him?


Obama made it partially about Obama

No. The Republicans made it about Obama by inviting Netanyahu to speak shortly before elections. Netanyahu then used that for his political campaign ad. Just as was predicted.

Seems like a fair trade when the U.S. State Department gave money to one voice defeat him.
 
Unlike your paranoid delusions I know that Congress gets its own intel briefs separate and distinct from what the President receives on a daily basis. The President did not withhold anything from Congress on Iraq. He couldn't. And the different intel agencies which DEPEND on Congressional support would not lie for him. So much for THAT claim. As for TREATIES or agreements that abrogate Congressional action in the Foreign affairs matter the Senate MUST approve by a large margin the President does not have the authority or Constitutional power to act with out them in those regards. The President can not tell Congress that its sanctions of Iraq will be ended with out approval of Congress.

The intelligence agencies answer first to the President and information can be excluded from Congress or given only to select members.
Look up the history of Executive Agreements.
The sanctions are an international effort.

Each nation has it's own sanctions. President still has to present the agreement to congress. He cannot hand them a blank piece of paper to agree to and fill in his own terms without them. President answers to congress and the people. Even a lame duck president. It is not "his" agreement but that of the US.

.....so much for his "transparency"
 
Obama made it partially about Obama

No. The Republicans made it about Obama by inviting Netanyahu to speak shortly before elections. Netanyahu then used that for his political campaign ad. Just as was predicted.


Ok, Obama allies getting out the anti- Netanyahu vote certainly didn't have anything to do with it.:slap: I'd like to thank Obama for helping Netanyahu with this great victory :)

Do you think it's a good thing for foreign politician to use an audience with our representatives for political campaigning? I don't.

People have made unsubstantiated allegations that Obama intervened in Israeli elections but so far have no actual evidence.

However we DO have actual evidence that the Republicans did - whether deliberately or not, they allowed Netanyahu to use them for his own political purposes as is clearly demonstrated by his use of it in a campaign advertisement (despite his blatent lie that this was not a campaign stunt).

Personally - I don't think Obama had much to do with the election outcome as I seriously doubt voters were focused on that, but maybe polling evidence will show differently.

You really think that american candidates have not traveled to give the idea to voters they understand and willing to act on international politics? They are doing it for votes. They give speeches about what their policy will involve oversea. Why was being invited to speak on Iran, major supporter of terrorism, as a nuclear threat to the middle east and the world so different? Obama is touting his talks with Iran as nearing a close but hides the details that could effect everyone. Netanyahu has been dealing with the Iranian threat for decades. His input and the life of his nation are vital in all of this

His administration has leaked details of the negotiations as they were going on. As far as I'm concerned - his input can go fly a kite. That is not the kind of ally we can trust. Netanyahu has been crying wolf and making false claims about Iran's nuclear capabilities for over a decade doing everything possible to prevent a diplomatic solution.

Does he and Israel have a legitimate concern? Yes. But their concern ends, imo, when they try to sabotage negotiations in this manner and draw us into an armed conflict.

If he wanted to speak before Congress - he couldn't have done so AFTER the elections? Really now?

How many candidates have used an address before the government of a foreign country in their campaign?

Obama is my president - as Bush was. Not Netanyahu.

Only to prevent a "bad" diplomatic agreement just for the sake of Obama's legacy. One that leaves the world in danger of a nuclear race.
 
Obama made it partially about Obama

No. The Republicans made it about Obama by inviting Netanyahu to speak shortly before elections. Netanyahu then used that for his political campaign ad. Just as was predicted.


Ok, Obama allies getting out the anti- Netanyahu vote certainly didn't have anything to do with it.:slap: I'd like to thank Obama for helping Netanyahu with this great victory :)

Do you think it's a good thing for foreign politician to use an audience with our representatives for political campaigning? I don't.

People have made unsubstantiated allegations that Obama intervened in Israeli elections but so far have no actual evidence.

However we DO have actual evidence that the Republicans did - whether deliberately or not, they allowed Netanyahu to use them for his own political purposes as is clearly demonstrated by his use of it in a campaign advertisement (despite his blatent lie that this was not a campaign stunt).

Personally - I don't think Obama had much to do with the election outcome as I seriously doubt voters were focused on that, but maybe polling evidence will show differently.


No....Obama and his people directly interfered with Israel's election. State Dept money was funneled into opposition parties in an attempt to defeat Bibi. A high level Obama staffer was also actively working against Netanyahu.

You counter this with Bibi speaking before Congress? Sorry. :(
Nobody beats Obama and his people for utter corruption.


Source Senate panel probing possible Obama administration ties to anti-Netanyahu effort Fox News

You have:
  • a planned "probe" based on a report that is attributed to a single anonymous source, with "knowledge of the panel’s activities"
  • No named sources.
  • Unanamed "top operatives of Obama’s White House"
  • Unsubstantiated claims by Netanyahu
  • Former campaign staffers (who are private citizens)


"Well, this is a report – just so people who haven’t followed this as closely know what the details are – about a group called OneVoice. The U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv provided a grant to OneVoice to promote dialogue and support for peace negotiations and a two-state solution. That grant ran from September of 2013 to November of 2014. During the period of the grant, as is standard practice, the U.S. Embassy approved OneVoice Israel’s implementation plan for the grant and monitored its performance. And, as is routine for such a grant, final payments are disbursed after the grantee provides documentation showing completion of the grant terms. Now you’ve learned more about U.S. Government grants than you ever thought you needed to know.

The grant ended before the advent of V15. It ended before there was a declaration of an Israeli election. We’ve seen the media reports about the activities of V15, but the embassy has not provided any funds, support, or direction to the group."

  • This, from the article: No direct link has been confirmed between Obama and the anti-Netanyahu campaign in Israel,
  • and it's from Fox News.

This is your evidence

I counter it with Netanyahu disrespecting our - OUR - president, and using OUR Congress to make a campaign speech.

Other way around.
Congress invited him. Obama would not see him. It was Obama that snubbed Netanyahu.

You think Obama and Kerry being overseas was not political. You think their speeches to EU or Iran were any less of campaign speeches, or anti Netanyahu campaign speeches?

Obama would rather celebrate Iranian new year in the white house than support an ally from potential genocide because of his personal animosity.
 
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