It's your diametrically opposite position when it does that will be the proof.If it works against me that is proof it is NOT based upon logic and truth.
Zone1 the 2 fallacies in saying : All Scripture is inspired by God not sinful men
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Muhammad called the people of the Arabian peninsula to return to the God of Abraham. His exposure to Christianity was Nestorian and monophisite. I know I screwed up that spelling.
The Jews weren't in Egypt.. Egypt was in Canaan for four hundred years. The Jews were just landless Canaanites.
The Exodus is a mythic story. It just didn't happen.
Leviticus and Deuteronomy were written during and after the Babylonian exile. Genesis and Exodus were written after the Babylonian exile based in part on Babylonian myths they had learned.
Spiritually I firmly believe the Bible is the Word of God.
From an intellectual standpoint - anyone who played the game "whisper down the lane" back in grade school would understand that mankind tends to interpret words, sentences, etc in various fashions - so yes, there could be variances within the Bible - especially works that initially were passed down verbally and eventually written down in various scrolls, etc.
That said, the fact that there are dozens and dozens of scrolls of the vast majority of the books of the Bible - which all basically translate to the same MAIN message - well, that speaks volumes. The Dead Sea Scrolls - which were discovered thousands of years later - have (almost) the same exact writings of many of the books of the Bible - that's more than enough evidence for a court of law and should be more than enough evidence for anyone with a mustard seed of faith.
Genesis, the books of Moses, the Law and the Books of the Prophets were written in a way never before seen at the time. They were written in an extremely detailed,"macro" perspective. They had vast knowledge of the geography of the area, the nations, the individual customs of rival nations, their leaders, their families, etc - something not easy to do for a tribal people - and they were written in a collegiate level of understanding - literally and spiritually. Show me ONE book, let alone 70+ books, that were written in that fashion, with that much knowledge, wisdom and understanding that date back 3000-4000 years. Ancient Egyptian manuscripts are impressive given the time period they were written but they were not written at the same "level" as the books of the Bible.
Then there are the Books of the Prophets and the prophesies written hundreds of years prior to the events happening - and they DID happen. Over and over again. Either the Prophets were truly blessed seers or those words were indeed the words of the Holy Spirit, spoken through the Prophets.
It's easy for a person of faith to see it but anyone with an inquisitive mind should (at the very least) be open to the idea that (if not God) the books of the Bible were very likely inspired by some form of a higher intelligence or power.
From an intellectual standpoint - anyone who played the game "whisper down the lane" back in grade school would understand that mankind tends to interpret words, sentences, etc in various fashions - so yes, there could be variances within the Bible - especially works that initially were passed down verbally and eventually written down in various scrolls, etc.
That said, the fact that there are dozens and dozens of scrolls of the vast majority of the books of the Bible - which all basically translate to the same MAIN message - well, that speaks volumes. The Dead Sea Scrolls - which were discovered thousands of years later - have (almost) the same exact writings of many of the books of the Bible - that's more than enough evidence for a court of law and should be more than enough evidence for anyone with a mustard seed of faith.
Genesis, the books of Moses, the Law and the Books of the Prophets were written in a way never before seen at the time. They were written in an extremely detailed,"macro" perspective. They had vast knowledge of the geography of the area, the nations, the individual customs of rival nations, their leaders, their families, etc - something not easy to do for a tribal people - and they were written in a collegiate level of understanding - literally and spiritually. Show me ONE book, let alone 70+ books, that were written in that fashion, with that much knowledge, wisdom and understanding that date back 3000-4000 years. Ancient Egyptian manuscripts are impressive given the time period they were written but they were not written at the same "level" as the books of the Bible.
Then there are the Books of the Prophets and the prophesies written hundreds of years prior to the events happening - and they DID happen. Over and over again. Either the Prophets were truly blessed seers or those words were indeed the words of the Holy Spirit, spoken through the Prophets.
It's easy for a person of faith to see it but anyone with an inquisitive mind should (at the very least) be open to the idea that (if not God) the books of the Bible were very likely inspired by some form of a higher intelligence or power.
The issue with the lack of abundant historical evidence of Jewish people living in Egypt during ancient times is the fact that they weren't known as being "Jewish" yet. Moses was from semitic origins and eventually became a fully integrated Egyptian. Many of the semitic people living in Egypt at the time were also likely integrated among the Egyptian people.
That said, there is indeed historical evidence of semitic people living in Egypt during the 19th Dynasty 1292 BC - 1189 BC:
Biblical scholar Graham I. Davies notes that several literary texts from Ancient Egypt document the presence of Semitic peoples working for building projects under the 19th Dynasty of Egypt, suggesting a possible historical basis for the account of Israelite servitude to the Egyptians.
Book of Exodus - Wikipedia
There is also solid historical evidence that (at least parts) of the Book of Exodus date back as far as 950 BC, which predates the Babylonian exile by more than 300 years:
Scholars have identified three literary traditions in Exodus, designated by the letters J, E, and P. The J strand, so called because it uses the name Yahweh (Jahweh in German) for God, is a Judaean rendition of the sacred story, perhaps written as early as 950 BCE. The E strand, which designates God as Elohim, is a version of the sacred story from the northern kingdom of Israel, written in about 900–750 BCE. The P strand, so called because of its cultic interests and regulations for priests, is usually dated in the 5th century BC and is regarded as the law upon which Ezra and Nehemiah based their reform. Each of these strands preserves materials much older than the time of their incorporation into a written work. Exodus thus conserves extremely old oral and written history. (See also Torah.)
Exodus | Definition, Summary, & Facts | Britannica
Exodus, the liberation of the people of Israel from slavery in Egypt in the 13th century bce, under the leadership of Moses; also, the Old Testament book of the same name.
www.britannica.com
As far as some of the story being integrated with some of the events of the Babylonian exile over the years - that is possible - but to say that early Jewish people were "never in Egypt" and that the entire Egyptian exile was just borrowed stories from other events is highly unlikely. There would be zero reason for the author (or authors) of the early scrolls (900BC) to make up such a story - with detailed information about the Pharaoh, his family and the dynasty of the time.
It may not have occurred as embellished but to say they were never there at all in any numbers or nothing happened at all is probably wrong. Archaeologists don't deal in certainties.
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