Texas Was Warned a Decade Ago Its Grid Was Unready for Cold

When the Fed govt IS FORCING Texas to spend tons of bucks on wind, solar, and grid scale battery follies --

So Trump forced Texas to install wind and solar?

Trump curtailed a lot of that by accelerating the phase out of HUGE SUBSIDIES for building in wind and solar. Where were you?

Warren Buffet has said frequently that no one would BUILD out massive wind projects without those subsidies. You're full of rabid partisan whore Bovine Scatology.. And you're good at that, but it's worth zip..

But you said Trump "forced" Texas to spend.
 
When the Fed govt IS FORCING Texas to spend tons of bucks on wind, solar, and grid scale battery follies --

So Trump forced Texas to install wind and solar?

Trump curtailed a lot of that by accelerating the phase out of HUGE SUBSIDIES for building in wind and solar. Where were you?

Warren Buffet has said frequently that no one would BUILD out massive wind projects without those subsidies. You're full of rabid partisan whore Bovine Scatology.. And you're good at that, but it's worth zip..

But you said Trump "forced" Texas to spend.

That happening now that Green Raw Deal circus rolls into town and RENEWS all of those counterproductive wind and solar subsidies. They were ALMOST GONE under the Trump Admin as they should be. That's why idiots can claim that these technologies are "so cheap".. Wind turbines and solar panels need to be REPLACED every 20 years. They are not maintainable for 50 years like a nuclear plant or nat gas plant.

Every state was under THEIR OWN "renewable" pledges and goals. NOW -- AOC and Bernie will ACTUALLY be forcing them to invest in folly..
 
This is the third time this has happened.

It comes down to deregulation. The people of Texas want no regulations so this is what they get.

Their electricity is privatized. There are no regulations or any consequences for not upgrading and winterizing. There are suggestions. That's it.

So because it's all privatized profit is put first. Not human life. Thus people are dying in Texas because profit for a private company is more important.

That last time it happened the federal government did an assessment, gave the state a report of what is wrong and how to fix it. The state and the private companies did nothing.

This is going to keep happening because money is more important than human life in Texas.

The people of Texas aren't willing to pay what it takes to make sure this doesn't happen again. The private companies aren't willing to pay what it takes to make sure this doesn't happen again.

Yet where did the Texans run quickly run to first?

You guessed it, the federal government. Biden is sending help. I thought the scariest words in the English language were "I'm from the federal government and here to help." Whatever happened to that conservative "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" and " take personal responsibility?"

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Gov.‭ ‬Greg Abbott is ordering an investigation into ERCOT

Gov.‭ ‬Greg Abbott tweeted Tuesday,‭ "‬The Electric Reliability Council of Texas has been anything but reliable over the past‭ ‬48‭ ‬hours.‭ ‬Far too many Texans are without power and heat for their homes as our state faces freezing temperatures and severe winter weather.‭"

"I have issued an executive order adding an emergency legislative item to review the preparations and decisions by ERCOT so we can determine what caused this problem and find long-term solutions.‭"

That was Abbott on Tuesday.‭ ‬Let’s wait a few months,‭ ‬after the chilling memories fade.‭ ‬Abbott’s concerns about,‭ “‘‬Far too many Texans are without power and heat for their homes as our state faces freezing temperatures and severe winter weather,‭’” ‬will be replaced with,‭ “‬the cold weather was a unique occurrence that can never happen again.‭” ‬Or something similar to ease the worries of those few remaining texans that haven’t put the power outage behind them.

It will be a simple task for the Republican controlled state to dismiss this problem.‭ ‬And their constituents will fully agree.‭ ‬Especially when the Electric Reliability Council of texas announces the proposed costs for the needed improvements to the red state texans‭’ ‬power grid.‭

A minimal rebuild of the red state texans‭’ ‬power grid will be much more expensive that building the system correctly the first time.‭ ‬But,‭ ‬regulations that require forethought and consideration of potential problems are not part of conservatives‭’ ‬tunnel vision.‭ ‬Such anticipation of future needs is the province of liberalism.‭ ‬Those pesky, liberal regulations that red state texans simply cannot abide.


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That happening now that Green Raw Deal circus rolls into town and RENEWS all of those counterproductive wind and solar subsidies. They were ALMOST GONE under the Trump Admin as they should be.

That's not what you said

When the Fed govt IS FORCING Texas to spend tons of bucks on wind, solar, and grid scale battery follies --

Please show how Trump "forced" Texas to install wind and solar. During Trumps America.
 
That happening now that Green Raw Deal circus rolls into town and RENEWS all of those counterproductive wind and solar subsidies. They were ALMOST GONE under the Trump Admin as they should be.

That's not what you said

When the Fed govt IS FORCING Texas to spend tons of bucks on wind, solar, and grid scale battery follies --

Please show how Trump "forced" Texas to install wind and solar. During Trumps America.

I said the FEDERAL GOVT.. Not Trump.. You're pretty slow.. Those subsidies were LEGISLATED. PRIVATE CORPS were building out wind in Texas because of them. The Fed Govt also FORCES the grid operators to PUT renewables on the grid (when they are working) BEFORE anything else involving fossil fuels. So -- if an investor gets an almost FREE Wind farm because of subsidies and GUARANTEE that the state WILL buy the power -- that's forcing.

Trump by his own lonely ass could not change the LAW that forces states to put wind/solar on line above anything else. But he COULD mess with the "phase out of subsidies"..

HE was "fixing the problem" best he could. NOW -- your Jr. Varsity team is REALLY GONNA FORCE this farce down the throats of every state.
 
This is the third time this has happened.

It comes down to deregulation. The people of Texas want no regulations so this is what they get.

Their electricity is privatized. There are no regulations or any consequences for not upgrading and winterizing. There are suggestions. That's it.

So because it's all privatized profit is put first. Not human life. Thus people are dying in Texas because profit for a private company is more important.

That last time it happened the federal government did an assessment, gave the state a report of what is wrong and how to fix it. The state and the private companies did nothing.

This is going to keep happening because money is more important than human life in Texas.

The people of Texas aren't willing to pay what it takes to make sure this doesn't happen again. The private companies aren't willing to pay what it takes to make sure this doesn't happen again.

Yet where did the Texans run quickly run to first?

You guessed it, the federal government. Biden is sending help. I thought the scariest words in the English language were "I'm from the federal government and here to help." Whatever happened to that conservative "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" and " take personal responsibility?"

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Gov.‭ ‬Greg Abbott is ordering an investigation into ERCOT

Gov.‭ ‬Greg Abbott tweeted Tuesday,‭ "‬The Electric Reliability Council of Texas has been anything but reliable over the past‭ ‬48‭ ‬hours.‭ ‬Far too many Texans are without power and heat for their homes as our state faces freezing temperatures and severe winter weather.‭"

"I have issued an executive order adding an emergency legislative item to review the preparations and decisions by ERCOT so we can determine what caused this problem and find long-term solutions.‭"

That was Abbott on Tuesday.‭ ‬Let’s wait a few months,‭ ‬after the chilling memories fade.‭ ‬Abbott’s concerns about,‭ “‘‬Far too many Texans are without power and heat for their homes as our state faces freezing temperatures and severe winter weather,‭’” ‬will be replaced with,‭ “‬the cold weather was a unique occurrence that can never happen again.‭” ‬Or something similar to ease the worries of those few remaining texans that haven’t put the power outage behind them.

It will be a simple task for the Republican controlled state to dismiss this problem.‭ ‬And their constituents will fully agree.‭ ‬Especially when the Electric Reliability Council of texas announces the proposed costs for the needed improvements to the red state texans‭’ ‬power grid.‭

A minimal rebuild of the red state texans‭’ ‬power grid will be much more expensive that building the system correctly the first time.‭ ‬But,‭ ‬regulations that require forethought and consideration of potential problems are not part of conservatives‭’ ‬tunnel vision.‭ ‬Such anticipation of future needs is the province of liberalism.‭ ‬Those pesky, liberal regulations that red state texans simply cannot abide.


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This is what happens when environmentalists get power. We get 0 power.
 
That happening now that Green Raw Deal circus rolls into town and RENEWS all of those counterproductive wind and solar subsidies. They were ALMOST GONE under the Trump Admin as they should be.

That's not what you said

When the Fed govt IS FORCING Texas to spend tons of bucks on wind, solar, and grid scale battery follies --

Please show how Trump "forced" Texas to install wind and solar. During Trumps America.

I said the FEDERAL GOVT.. Not Trump.. You're pretty slow.. Those subsidies were LEGISLATED. PRIVATE CORPS were building out wind in Texas because of them. The Fed Govt also FORCES the grid operators to PUT renewables on the grid (when they are working) BEFORE anything else involving fossil fuels. So -- if an investor gets an almost FREE Wind farm because of subsidies and GUARANTEE that the state WILL buy the power -- that's forcing.

Trump by his own lonely ass could not change the LAW that forces states to put wind/solar on line above anything else. But he COULD mess with the "phase out of subsidies"..

HE was "fixing the problem" best he could. NOW -- your Jr. Varsity team is REALLY GONNA FORCE this farce down the throats of every state.

meaner gene

This is all way beyond your abilities to discuss. Probably need to stick to stuff that at least Nancy Pelosi, AOC, Bernie and your other "power system engineers" understand... LOL.
 
This is all way beyond your abilities to discuss. Probably need to stick to stuff that at least Nancy Pelosi, AOC, Bernie and your other "power system engineers" understand... LOL.
I'm just trying to understand which federal government forced Texas to install wind and solar.

When the Fed govt IS FORCING Texas to spend tons of bucks on wind, solar, and grid scale battery follies --

Are you talking about Obama forcing Texas, Trump forcing Texas or Biden forcing Texas?
 
When the Fed govt IS FORCING Texas to spend tons of bucks on wind, solar, and grid scale battery follies --
Please show how Trump "forced" Texas to install wind and solar. During Trumps America.
I said the FEDERAL GOVT.. Not Trump.. You're pretty slow..
Trump ran the federal government. He had to sign whatever legislation did that, or wrote whatever EO forced that upon Texas.
Regardless of why red state texans added wind turbines to their power grid, the people that ordered the units, bought a product that was substandard to the needs of the intended application. Either through ignorance and an unwillingness to learn the necessary facts, arrogance in their own limited knowledge, or greed to keep profits up.

What ever the cause, the blame falls solely on the individuals or groups making the final decisions on the design specifications that led to the failures.


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This is the third time this has happened.

It comes down to deregulation. The people of Texas want no regulations so this is what they get.

Their electricity is privatized. There are no regulations or any consequences for not upgrading and winterizing. There are suggestions. That's it.

So because it's all privatized profit is put first. Not human life. Thus people are dying in Texas because profit for a private company is more important.

That last time it happened the federal government did an assessment, gave the state a report of what is wrong and how to fix it. The state and the private companies did nothing.

This is going to keep happening because money is more important than human life in Texas.

The people of Texas aren't willing to pay what it takes to make sure this doesn't happen again. The private companies aren't willing to pay what it takes to make sure this doesn't happen again.

Yet where did the Texans run quickly run to first?

You guessed it, the federal government. Biden is sending help. I thought the scariest words in the English language were "I'm from the federal government and here to help." Whatever happened to that conservative "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" and " take personal responsibility?"

The whole damned country is in this kind of shape for God's sakes.

Which other states are having the massive power outages that Texas is suffering through?

If they had 29 million people and what, 20-25M households all turning on the heater at the same time...their grid would be damaged too.

Texas is a shot hole of epic proportions....its the 7th grader who's 18 years old and thinks it's funny that he can't advance to the 8th grade and swears the system is wrong; not him.

But hell...it just got cold. Nobody will remember this in a week.

Infrastructure-wise; Texas flooding is the real chronic disaster. There will be flooding in Houston again this Summer like there always is. It was that way in the 80's when I lived there. They haven't fixed a thing in 40 years. But the governors have all "cut spending to the bone."
Texas isn't the only state that got cold. Poor planning has caused lots of problems in Texas. Our current problem and flooding are just two of those problems.
 
Regardless of why red state texans added wind turbines to their power grid, the people that ordered the units, bought a product that was substandard to the needs of the intended application. Either through ignorance and an unwillingness to learn the necessary facts, arrogance in their own limited knowledge, or greed to keep profits up.

What ever the cause, the blame falls solely on the individuals or groups making the final decisions on the design specifications that led to the failures.

I read that the Texas power grid is totally independent. It's not in any way connected to other states, and because of that it's not regulated under interstate commerce, specifically the FERC has no regulatory authority in Texas.

Texas alone sets standards for their power infrastructure.


FERC, pursuant to the Energy Policy Act of 2005, finalized on February 2, 2006, landmark new rules on the certification of an Electric Reliability Organization and the procedures for the establishment, approval and enforcement of mandatory electric reliability standards.
 
Regardless of why red state texans added wind turbines to their power grid, the people that ordered the units, bought a product that was substandard to the needs of the intended application. Either through ignorance and an unwillingness to learn the necessary facts, arrogance in their own limited knowledge, or greed to keep profits up.

What ever the cause, the blame falls solely on the individuals or groups making the final decisions on the design specifications that led to the failures.

I read that the Texas power grid is totally independent. It's not in any way connected to other states, and because of that it's not regulated under interstate commerce, specifically the FERC has no regulatory authority in Texas.

Texas alone sets standards for their power infrastructure.


FERC, pursuant to the Energy Policy Act of 2005, finalized on February 2, 2006, landmark new rules on the certification of an Electric Reliability Organization and the procedures for the establishment, approval and enforcement of mandatory electric reliability standards.
Whenever their sh!t blows up in their faces, the right-wingers blame liberals. But, given the texans' hatred of regulations and being forced to do a job correctly, it's more than apparent that no liberal had any part in the design and building of the red state texans' pi$$ poor power grid.

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This is the third time this has happened.

It comes down to deregulation. The people of Texas want no regulations so this is what they get.

Their electricity is privatized. There are no regulations or any consequences for not upgrading and winterizing. There are suggestions. That's it.

So because it's all privatized profit is put first. Not human life. Thus people are dying in Texas because profit for a private company is more important.

That last time it happened the federal government did an assessment, gave the state a report of what is wrong and how to fix it. The state and the private companies did nothing.

This is going to keep happening because money is more important than human life in Texas.

The people of Texas aren't willing to pay what it takes to make sure this doesn't happen again. The private companies aren't willing to pay what it takes to make sure this doesn't happen again.

Yet where did the Texans run quickly run to first?

You guessed it, the federal government. Biden is sending help. I thought the scariest words in the English language were "I'm from the federal government and here to help." Whatever happened to that conservative "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" and " take personal responsibility?"

Texas must have believed the bullcrap liberals, and undoubtedly they thought the earth was warming extensively, and cold like that was a thing of the past, well good morning TEXAS, did you enjoy your sleep in liberal la-la land ???
 
This is the third time this has happened.

It comes down to deregulation. The people of Texas want no regulations so this is what they get.

Their electricity is privatized. There are no regulations or any consequences for not upgrading and winterizing. There are suggestions. That's it.

So because it's all privatized profit is put first. Not human life. Thus people are dying in Texas because profit for a private company is more important.

That last time it happened the federal government did an assessment, gave the state a report of what is wrong and how to fix it. The state and the private companies did nothing.

This is going to keep happening because money is more important than human life in Texas.

The people of Texas aren't willing to pay what it takes to make sure this doesn't happen again. The private companies aren't willing to pay what it takes to make sure this doesn't happen again.

Yet where did the Texans run quickly run to first?

You guessed it, the federal government. Biden is sending help. I thought the scariest words in the English language were "I'm from the federal government and here to help." Whatever happened to that conservative "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" and " take personal responsibility?"

Texas must have believed the bullcrap liberals, and undoubtedly they thought the earth was warming extensively, and cold like that was a thing of the past, well good morning TEXAS, did you enjoy your sleep in liberal la-la land ???
Words from another low IQ right-wing nut, with zero understanding of science... or anything else.


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Texas is a prime example of ignorant NaziCon nuts who want smaller government and deregulation. Hell, they can't even plow the snow - let alone winterize their power generation systems. And then they talk about "seceding" from the union. I thought it was hilarious when Governor Abbott tried to blame green energy for their current clusterfuck. What a joke.

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This is the third time this has happened.

It comes down to deregulation. The people of Texas want no regulations so this is what they get.

Their electricity is privatized. There are no regulations or any consequences for not upgrading and winterizing. There are suggestions. That's it.

So because it's all privatized profit is put first. Not human life. Thus people are dying in Texas because profit for a private company is more important.

That last time it happened the federal government did an assessment, gave the state a report of what is wrong and how to fix it. The state and the private companies did nothing.

This is going to keep happening because money is more important than human life in Texas.

The people of Texas aren't willing to pay what it takes to make sure this doesn't happen again. The private companies aren't willing to pay what it takes to make sure this doesn't happen again.

Yet where did the Texans run quickly run to first?

You guessed it, the federal government. Biden is sending help. I thought the scariest words in the English language were "I'm from the federal government and here to help." Whatever happened to that conservative "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" and " take personal responsibility?"


Not all Texans agree with our leadership and after this I am guessing Abbot might be retiring after he loses his next run for office...

As I wrote in another thread this is a decades old issue that should have never happened but it did and it will never be fixed because those that run all this just care about the bottom line and even in deaths money will be made...

So I am leaving Texas as soon as I can and will head to Tennessee!



No abbot won't lose. He will be reelected when he runs for reelection.

The majority of the people in Texas put money before life.

They have had since 1989 to make changes. That was the first time this happened. They did nothing. Then it happened in 2011 again. They did nothing. The people of Texas have continually and consistently voted republicans to run their state. The people of Texas voted for this.

Nothing will change in Texas and people will keep dying.


Texas demographics are changing and Texas is going to go blue and I believe in 2022 after all this nonsense with Covid and the power outage things will change and I doubt Abbot stays...

It matter not for me because I am leaving and I am done with this State and will find a new home in Tennessee!
 

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