Texas senate approves open carry law

[2aguy]

Guns accidents kill under 100 children a year.....accidental poisoning...730 a year.....

CDC - Injury - Safe Child - Poisoning

 

[Nosmo King]

Yes...drowning is the number one cause of death for children...and you guys could care less..if you spent all your huffing and puffing about drowning, you would save more children.....but then....children killed by guns are gold for you guys.......nothing pumps up your anti gun movement like a dead child......but let that child drown in a pool....yawn....you guys can't muster up any energy for that.......

New CPSC Data Show Child Drownings In Pools and Spas Still A Leading Cause of Death CPSC.gov

When was the last time a psychopath took a swimming pool to a schoolyard? How many convenience store clerks have been drowned in the course of a robbery? Many concealed swimming pools caried into post offices where a mass drowning was committed?

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

I understand there are two sides to this argument, what I don't understand is why so many people feel the need to carry a gun all of the time.

And because -you- do not understand this, people should not be able to exercise their right to do so?

I have no problem with following the law, I do believe anyone who owns, possesses or has in his custody or control a gun needs to have insurance and have completed a background check to verify he or she is sane, sober and has never been convicted of a crime of violence - misdemeanor or felony. I wonder if you could pass such a check.

Other than "having insurance on your firearm", all the rest IS checked before you can legally buy a firearm in the US.
Federal form 4473, and it is a felony to lie of that form.
NICS that "qualifies" you are legally eligible to buy a firearm BEFORE you can take possession of it.

We all know private party sales are rarely lawful. IMO, If gun owners were licensed and sold a firearm to someone not licensed they would lose their license and be arrested, charged and if convicted lose their first amendment rights.

Pure ignorance. Not a bit of that is true.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I understand there are two sides to this argument, what I don't understand is why so many people feel the need to carry a gun all of the time.

And because -you- do not understand this, people should not be able to exercise their right to do so?

I have no problem with following the law, I do believe anyone who owns, possesses or has in his custody or control a gun needs to have insurance and have completed a background check to verify he or she is sane, sober and has never been convicted of a crime of violence - misdemeanor or felony. I wonder if you could pass such a check.

Other than "having insurance on your firearm", all the rest IS checked before you can legally buy a firearm in the US.
Federal form 4473, and it is a felony to lie of that form.
NICS that "qualifies" you are legally eligible to buy a firearm BEFORE you can take possession of it.

We all know private party sales are rarely lawful. IMO, If gun owners were licensed and sold a firearm to someone not licensed they would lose their license and be arrested, charged and if convicted lose their first amendment rights.

Pure ignorance. Not a bit of that is true.

The only truth in your comment is your inability to read with comprehension. IMO means In My Opinion. Thus, IMO your biases prevent understanding, Now, is that willfully or otherwise?

 

[rightwinger]

Every week we hear of reports about a toddler shooting a gun left within her reach or someone 'holstering' her weapon and then it discharges or how kids found Dad's gun with tragic consequences.

The gubn culture has painted a thin veneer of 'safety and security' over carrying guns. by first instilling fear "You need a gun for defense" in spite of the fact most folks do not encounter the Rambo scenario they secretly hope for when they decide to pack heat.

There are over 320 million people in the U.S. and over 320 million guns in private hands and on top of that there are over 11.1 million people carrying guns for self defense....and each year on average Americans use guns to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives 1.6 million times.....

How many children are accidentally killed with guns......less than 100......

I assume you can do simple math......

100 dead kids?

That is a small price to pay for our second amendment rights

Tragic....but I don't see the same emotion when kids drown in pools....or get hit by cars.....your irrational fear makes you only care when a gun is involved...since pools kill and injure far more kids than guns.....

Pools were not exclusively designed to kill, neither are cars.

Yet they kill far more than guns do.......seems like that is the bigger problem....objects that appear safe but are deadly.....yet you guys don't break a sweat with pools and cars.........

Yet we do break a sweat

Cars are safer, seatbelts/airbags, roads are safer, drunk driving rules tougher, car registration, insurance, licensing of drivers.....all have combined to cut down traffic fatalities

Pools have been made safer in their designs, fewer diving boards, strict liability insurance, building and electrical codes for pools, lifeguards at public pools.....all have combined to make pools safer

Yet when we look at gun homicides, gun nuts like yourself claim we can't do anything as long as there are other ways for people to be killed

 

[Nosmo King]

Cars are not weapons. Yet we recognize the hazards of driving and thus require licenses, insurance training and age verification in order to legally drive.

Swimming pools are not weapons. Yet owning a swimming pool brings many responsibilities. Additional riders on home insurance policies, fencing and monitoring all come along with pool ownership.

And no one balks at any of those additional requirements involved in automobile or swimming pool ownership. Hazards are recognized and addressed so far as law permits.

Guns are weapons. They are designed to propel lead at high velocity. They are designed to kill, they are not modes of transportation. Yet we have no such insurance or licensing requirements to own and operate a deadly weapon.

Who's fooling who with this inept and inappropriate comparison between weaponry and transportation?

 

[M14 Shooter]

....Even Heller, wherein Scalia was the most activist of justices, he needed to use 20 pages and still could not produce a convincing argument....

... for those predisposed to disagree with the ruling, such as yourself.
For normal, honest people, the argument is more than compelling.

 

[2aguy]

Cars are not weapons. Yet we recognize the hazards of driving and thus require licenses, insurance training and age verification in order to legally drive.

Swimming pools are not weapons. Yet owning a swimming pool brings many responsibilities. Additional riders on home insurance policies, fencing and monitoring all come along with pool ownership.

And no one balks at any of those additional requirements involved in automobile or swimming pool ownership. Hazards are recognized and addressed so far as law permits.

Guns are weapons. They are designed to propel lead at high velocity. They are designed to kill, they are not modes of transportation. Yet we have no such insurance or licensing requirements to own and operate a deadly weapon.

Who's fooling who with this inept and inappropriate comparison between weaponry and transportation?

Well, in the real world you guys would be more upset that everyday, ordinary objects kill so many people.....but no....you complain the most about the object that kills fewer children, not more children.........

 

[Nosmo King]

Cars are not weapons. Yet we recognize the hazards of driving and thus require licenses, insurance training and age verification in order to legally drive.

Swimming pools are not weapons. Yet owning a swimming pool brings many responsibilities. Additional riders on home insurance policies, fencing and monitoring all come along with pool ownership.

And no one balks at any of those additional requirements involved in automobile or swimming pool ownership. Hazards are recognized and addressed so far as law permits.

Guns are weapons. They are designed to propel lead at high velocity. They are designed to kill, they are not modes of transportation. Yet we have no such insurance or licensing requirements to own and operate a deadly weapon.

Who's fooling who with this inept and inappropriate comparison between weaponry and transportation?

Well, in the real world you guys would be more upset that everyday, ordinary objects kill so many people.....but no....you complain the most about the object that kills fewer children, not more children.........

You seem unnaturally at ease with dead children.

 

[2aguy]

Cars are not weapons. Yet we recognize the hazards of driving and thus require licenses, insurance training and age verification in order to legally drive.

Swimming pools are not weapons. Yet owning a swimming pool brings many responsibilities. Additional riders on home insurance policies, fencing and monitoring all come along with pool ownership.

And no one balks at any of those additional requirements involved in automobile or swimming pool ownership. Hazards are recognized and addressed so far as law permits.

Guns are weapons. They are designed to propel lead at high velocity. They are designed to kill, they are not modes of transportation. Yet we have no such insurance or licensing requirements to own and operate a deadly weapon.

Who's fooling who with this inept and inappropriate comparison between weaponry and transportation?

Well, in the real world you guys would be more upset that everyday, ordinary objects kill so many people.....but no....you complain the most about the object that kills fewer children, not more children.........

You seem unnaturally at ease with dead children.

No....I want them protected from gun accidents.......it is you anti gunners that don't want to teach gun safety to children.....why would that be? Considering how you say that is one of your primary concerns about guns...and yet.....you guys fight tooth and nail to keep it out of grade schools.....

And we simply want to use the 4 steps created and taught by the NRA....

1) stop
2) don't touch
3) leave the room
4) find an adult.....


And yet you guys find that too radical........and the children who could be saved...aren't.....

 

[Nosmo King]

Cars are not weapons. Yet we recognize the hazards of driving and thus require licenses, insurance training and age verification in order to legally drive.

Swimming pools are not weapons. Yet owning a swimming pool brings many responsibilities. Additional riders on home insurance policies, fencing and monitoring all come along with pool ownership.

And no one balks at any of those additional requirements involved in automobile or swimming pool ownership. Hazards are recognized and addressed so far as law permits.

Guns are weapons. They are designed to propel lead at high velocity. They are designed to kill, they are not modes of transportation. Yet we have no such insurance or licensing requirements to own and operate a deadly weapon.

Who's fooling who with this inept and inappropriate comparison between weaponry and transportation?

Well, in the real world you guys would be more upset that everyday, ordinary objects kill so many people.....but no....you complain the most about the object that kills fewer children, not more children.........

You seem unnaturally at ease with dead children.

No....I want them protected from gun accidents.......it is you anti gunners that don't want to teach gun safety to children.....why would that be? Considering how you say that is one of your primary concerns about guns...and yet.....you guys fight tooth and nail to keep it out of grade schools.....

And we simply want to use the 4 steps created and taught by the NRA....

1) stop
2) don't touch
3) leave the room
4) find an adult.....


And yet you guys find that too radical........and the children who could be saved...aren't.....

I wonder why the NRA does not say "unload, secure and lock up your guns if you have children in the house!"?

Bringing a gun into a home with children makes YOU culpable in any accident. The Dirty Harry fantasy seems to wipe any other ability to thoroughly think through any circumstances other than the glee found in killing another human.

 

[2aguy]

Cars are not weapons. Yet we recognize the hazards of driving and thus require licenses, insurance training and age verification in order to legally drive.

Swimming pools are not weapons. Yet owning a swimming pool brings many responsibilities. Additional riders on home insurance policies, fencing and monitoring all come along with pool ownership.

And no one balks at any of those additional requirements involved in automobile or swimming pool ownership. Hazards are recognized and addressed so far as law permits.

Guns are weapons. They are designed to propel lead at high velocity. They are designed to kill, they are not modes of transportation. Yet we have no such insurance or licensing requirements to own and operate a deadly weapon.

Who's fooling who with this inept and inappropriate comparison between weaponry and transportation?

Well, in the real world you guys would be more upset that everyday, ordinary objects kill so many people.....but no....you complain the most about the object that kills fewer children, not more children.........

You seem unnaturally at ease with dead children.

No....I want them protected from gun accidents.......it is you anti gunners that don't want to teach gun safety to children.....why would that be? Considering how you say that is one of your primary concerns about guns...and yet.....you guys fight tooth and nail to keep it out of grade schools.....

And we simply want to use the 4 steps created and taught by the NRA....

1) stop
2) don't touch
3) leave the room
4) find an adult.....


And yet you guys find that too radical........and the children who could be saved...aren't.....

I wonder why the NRA does not say "unload, secure and lock up your guns if you have children in the house!"?

Bringing a gun into a home with children makes YOU culpable in any accident. The Dirty Harry fantasy seems to wipe any other ability to thoroughly think through any circumstances other than the glee found in killing another human.

Have you gone to an NRA safety course......they talk about gun safes.....we are talking to children who may come across a gun when an adult isn't around......

 

[M14 Shooter]

Have you gone to an NRA safety course......they talk about gun safes.....we are talking to children who may come across a gun when an adult isn't around......

Like when your kid is in someone elses house.

Anti-gun loons want children to remain ignorant of guns as they WANT kids to die in gun accidents - its one of the few ways they have to push their anti-gun agenda.

 

[Nosmo King]

Cars are not weapons. Yet we recognize the hazards of driving and thus require licenses, insurance training and age verification in order to legally drive.

Swimming pools are not weapons. Yet owning a swimming pool brings many responsibilities. Additional riders on home insurance policies, fencing and monitoring all come along with pool ownership.

And no one balks at any of those additional requirements involved in automobile or swimming pool ownership. Hazards are recognized and addressed so far as law permits.

Guns are weapons. They are designed to propel lead at high velocity. They are designed to kill, they are not modes of transportation. Yet we have no such insurance or licensing requirements to own and operate a deadly weapon.

Who's fooling who with this inept and inappropriate comparison between weaponry and transportation?

Well, in the real world you guys would be more upset that everyday, ordinary objects kill so many people.....but no....you complain the most about the object that kills fewer children, not more children.........

You seem unnaturally at ease with dead children.

No....I want them protected from gun accidents.......it is you anti gunners that don't want to teach gun safety to children.....why would that be? Considering how you say that is one of your primary concerns about guns...and yet.....you guys fight tooth and nail to keep it out of grade schools.....

And we simply want to use the 4 steps created and taught by the NRA....

1) stop
2) don't touch
3) leave the room
4) find an adult.....


And yet you guys find that too radical........and the children who could be saved...aren't.....

I wonder why the NRA does not say "unload, secure and lock up your guns if you have children in the house!"?

Bringing a gun into a home with children makes YOU culpable in any accident. The Dirty Harry fantasy seems to wipe any other ability to thoroughly think through any circumstances other than the glee found in killing another human.

Have you gone to an NRA safety course......they talk about gun safes.....we are talking to children who may come across a gun when an adult isn't around......

And the adult responsible for bringing that gun home is TOTALLY CULPABLE in any accident or death. Bringing in a hazardous piece of equipment carries great responsibility. That equipment must be secured and stored responsibly.

And yet you want more guns in more homes.

For the sake of the innocent children not yet swept off their feet by the glamor and testosterone of the gun culture, unload, secure and lock away your arsenal.

 

[2aguy]

Have you anti gunners ever gone to an NRA safety course, taught by an NRA instructor....or is all of your knowledge from anti gun loon sites............

 

[2aguy]

Well, in the real world you guys would be more upset that everyday, ordinary objects kill so many people.....but no....you complain the most about the object that kills fewer children, not more children.........

You seem unnaturally at ease with dead children.

No....I want them protected from gun accidents.......it is you anti gunners that don't want to teach gun safety to children.....why would that be? Considering how you say that is one of your primary concerns about guns...and yet.....you guys fight tooth and nail to keep it out of grade schools.....

And we simply want to use the 4 steps created and taught by the NRA....

1) stop
2) don't touch
3) leave the room
4) find an adult.....


And yet you guys find that too radical........and the children who could be saved...aren't.....

I wonder why the NRA does not say "unload, secure and lock up your guns if you have children in the house!"?

Bringing a gun into a home with children makes YOU culpable in any accident. The Dirty Harry fantasy seems to wipe any other ability to thoroughly think through any circumstances other than the glee found in killing another human.

Have you gone to an NRA safety course......they talk about gun safes.....we are talking to children who may come across a gun when an adult isn't around......

And the adult responsible for bringing that gun home is TOTALLY CULPABLE in any accident or death. Bringing in a hazardous piece of equipment carries great responsibility. That equipment must be secured and stored responsibly.

And yet you want more guns in more homes.

For the sake of the innocent children not yet swept off their feet by the glamor and testosterone of the gun culture, unload, secure and lock away your arsenal.

Wow.....really....why hadn't the gun safe industry ever thought of that.....considering how many different types of gun safe are sold......and you should tell that to the guys running the NRA gun safety courses on safety in the home....they probably didn't think of that either....

Of course.....you do know that with more people owning and carrying guns....child gun deaths are going down....not up.....you know that...right?

 

[Nosmo King]

You seem unnaturally at ease with dead children.

No....I want them protected from gun accidents.......it is you anti gunners that don't want to teach gun safety to children.....why would that be? Considering how you say that is one of your primary concerns about guns...and yet.....you guys fight tooth and nail to keep it out of grade schools.....

And we simply want to use the 4 steps created and taught by the NRA....

1) stop
2) don't touch
3) leave the room
4) find an adult.....


And yet you guys find that too radical........and the children who could be saved...aren't.....

I wonder why the NRA does not say "unload, secure and lock up your guns if you have children in the house!"?

Bringing a gun into a home with children makes YOU culpable in any accident. The Dirty Harry fantasy seems to wipe any other ability to thoroughly think through any circumstances other than the glee found in killing another human.

Have you gone to an NRA safety course......they talk about gun safes.....we are talking to children who may come across a gun when an adult isn't around......

And the adult responsible for bringing that gun home is TOTALLY CULPABLE in any accident or death. Bringing in a hazardous piece of equipment carries great responsibility. That equipment must be secured and stored responsibly.

And yet you want more guns in more homes.

For the sake of the innocent children not yet swept off their feet by the glamor and testosterone of the gun culture, unload, secure and lock away your arsenal.

Wow.....really....why hadn't the gun safe industry ever thought of that.....considering how many different types of gun safe are sold......and you should tell that to the guys running the NRA gun safety courses on safety in the home....they probably didn't think of that either....

Of course.....you do know that with more people owning and carrying guns....child gun deaths are going down....not up.....you know that...right?

Using that logic, we should start charging fire extinguishers with gasoline. More errant guns means more child deaths by irresponsible gun owners.

 

[2aguy]

No....I want them protected from gun accidents.......it is you anti gunners that don't want to teach gun safety to children.....why would that be? Considering how you say that is one of your primary concerns about guns...and yet.....you guys fight tooth and nail to keep it out of grade schools.....

And we simply want to use the 4 steps created and taught by the NRA....

1) stop
2) don't touch
3) leave the room
4) find an adult.....


And yet you guys find that too radical........and the children who could be saved...aren't.....

I wonder why the NRA does not say "unload, secure and lock up your guns if you have children in the house!"?

Bringing a gun into a home with children makes YOU culpable in any accident. The Dirty Harry fantasy seems to wipe any other ability to thoroughly think through any circumstances other than the glee found in killing another human.

Have you gone to an NRA safety course......they talk about gun safes.....we are talking to children who may come across a gun when an adult isn't around......

And the adult responsible for bringing that gun home is TOTALLY CULPABLE in any accident or death. Bringing in a hazardous piece of equipment carries great responsibility. That equipment must be secured and stored responsibly.

And yet you want more guns in more homes.

For the sake of the innocent children not yet swept off their feet by the glamor and testosterone of the gun culture, unload, secure and lock away your arsenal.

Wow.....really....why hadn't the gun safe industry ever thought of that.....considering how many different types of gun safe are sold......and you should tell that to the guys running the NRA gun safety courses on safety in the home....they probably didn't think of that either....

Of course.....you do know that with more people owning and carrying guns....child gun deaths are going down....not up.....you know that...right?

Using that logic, we should start charging fire extinguishers with gasoline. More errant guns means more child deaths by irresponsible gun owners.

More gun owners mean more gun classes on safe handling....as has been shown with the actual statistics in the actual world...not some anti gunner fantasy......more people own and carry guns than ever before...and the gun murder rate is going down, not up....and the gun accident rate is going down, not up....and the child gun death rate is going down not up.....

If you guys would allow actual safety training for kids.....more of their lives would be saved.......you do want that...right? or is the propaganda benefit of a dead child just too useful.......?

 

[Nosmo King]

I wonder why the NRA does not say "unload, secure and lock up your guns if you have children in the house!"?

Bringing a gun into a home with children makes YOU culpable in any accident. The Dirty Harry fantasy seems to wipe any other ability to thoroughly think through any circumstances other than the glee found in killing another human.

Have you gone to an NRA safety course......they talk about gun safes.....we are talking to children who may come across a gun when an adult isn't around......

And the adult responsible for bringing that gun home is TOTALLY CULPABLE in any accident or death. Bringing in a hazardous piece of equipment carries great responsibility. That equipment must be secured and stored responsibly.

And yet you want more guns in more homes.

For the sake of the innocent children not yet swept off their feet by the glamor and testosterone of the gun culture, unload, secure and lock away your arsenal.

Wow.....really....why hadn't the gun safe industry ever thought of that.....considering how many different types of gun safe are sold......and you should tell that to the guys running the NRA gun safety courses on safety in the home....they probably didn't think of that either....

Of course.....you do know that with more people owning and carrying guns....child gun deaths are going down....not up.....you know that...right?

Using that logic, we should start charging fire extinguishers with gasoline. More errant guns means more child deaths by irresponsible gun owners.

More gun owners mean more gun classes on safe handling....as has been shown with the actual statistics in the actual world...not some anti gunner fantasy......more people own and carry guns than ever before...and the gun murder rate is going down, not up....and the gun accident rate is going down, not up....and the child gun death rate is going down not up.....

If you guys would allow actual safety training for kids.....more of their lives would be saved.......you do want that...right? or is the propaganda benefit of a dead child just too useful.......?

Are gun safety classes MANDATORY UNDER LAW? Or are they merely CYA window dressing?

 

[cnm]

I too found open carry of pistols enjoyable.

You think thats funny? someone getting shot?

I think an idiot shooting himself is hilarious.

What a maroon!