Texas Files Lawsuit at SCOTUS Against GA, PA, MI, and WI

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

This can't be serious. Texas has no standing to sue another state on that state's conduct under state law. Texas has no interest in another state's decision to send out ballot applications, nor any interest in whether those who received ballots in response to submitting the application returned those ballots, or how these ballots were handled once received. The pols who run the Texas government become more and more bizarre each day.

They have standing if they believe fraudulent practices in other States made their EV's worthless.

No do not haqve standing and they cannot demonstrate any harm. The arguments are the same ones that Trump has beem making ad nauseum and been thrown out ad nauseum.

Their EC votes have been countered by illegal changes to voting laws in the States in question.

They have not. There have been no illegal changes.

Judges unilaterally allowed changes not approved by the legislature, and the legislatures at the State level have the power to set election guidelines.

State judges have the right to interpret the state's constitutions. State legislatures do not have the power to ignore the state's constitution. If the Supreme Court wants to interpret state constitutions then they should resign and get judgeships in the state courts.

The US constitution says State legislatures set the rules for Presidential elector selection, and thus the elections. State judges can't override that.

Marty thinks that a Republican legislature can pass a law that said democrats votes don 't get counted.

No, I am saying, and Texas is saying that State Executives and Judiciaries can't change election laws themselves, that the Constitution gives that sole power to the State Legislatures.

And failure to do so has an impact on the voters in other states.

 

[iceberg]

and what does this have to do with anything? the Texas lawsuit has been spelled out clearly, with references, sections of the states constitutions violated and how that impacted an outcomes against what their state (and now what, 9 others) voted fairly for.

did these states or did they not follow their own constitutional process to change how people voted in this election?

a YES | NO question doesn't contain this many excuses.

It has everything to do with it. Texas has no grounds to sue these states to force them to do anything. It's completely without merit.

Have you read the pleadings?

Your response indicates that you haven't, but if you have, I want to hear what legal authority you are relying on to counter that argued by Texas.

Complaint

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What's your response?

his response will be an insult to you. i've avoided replying in kind and have sticked to asking him to provide the path these states took that was proper according to their own constitution.

he POOF'd.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Jesus. Elections are a state matter. They are governed by THAT STATES laws and adjudicated by that states court system.

One state can not sue another state over how that state runs its elections.

This is beyond silly. I mean worthy of Rudy Toot Toot silly

I'll pose the same question to you.

Have you read the pleadings?

Texas SCOTUS Complaint

What is your response to this and on what legal authority are you relying?

 

[Toro]

It is so adorable how some conservatives talk to libtards like they actually give a flying shit about honesty, integrity or fair elections.

just adorable!

Yeah, it is pretty funny that some conservatards pretend they actually give a flying shit about honesty, integrity or fair elections.

Because cult.

In the meantime, Trumptards are 1-52 in court.

And 0 cases of fraud proven in court.

You loons are on the planet of orange crazy.

 

[Dragonlady]

Aren't right wing loons (generally) for state's rights? Wonder how Texarse would feel if NY decided it wanted to repeal Texarse's CCW laws?

What laws----these 4 states didn't follow their own election law and used a faulty computer fraudulent system to tabulate votes incorrectly stealing an election maybe for a very unpopular senile crook named joe.

Keep the Chinese puppet and pedophile family out of the white house.

The Chinese puppet and pedophile family are already IN the White House. This election was about getting the Trump Crime Family OUT of the White House.

People who aren't criminals, don't need pardons. Trump is preparing to pardon everyone in his family and everyone in his administration. That tells you just how criminal and corrupt the Trump Administration has been.

I thought it was RUSSIA.

China your new RUSSIA?

Pathetic.

Nice attempt at deflection, but really, it's any authoritarian regime in the world. Trump has cozied up to all of them: Turkey, North Korea, China, Russia, Poland. Trump has snubbed allies and democratic states, and given all sorts of aid and comfort to the dictators.

You rail against the rapid expansion of Chinese influence throughout the world, but look how Trump has increased trade and power for China. When Trump pulled out of the Trans Pacific Partnership, relinguishing the role of Lead Nation in the TPP, China joined the TPP and took the role of the Lead Nation which Trump vacated, increasing worldwide trade with China, and opening up new markets for them. Big win for China.

When Trump issued tariffs against Chinese goods, China retailated by cancelling billions of dollars of agricultural orders, mainly soybeans purchased from mid-Western farmers. The American taxpayers are STILL paying subsidies to these farmers for their loss of business. Big loss for American taxpayers. But China still needed to buy soybeans, so they contracted with farmers in Argentina and Brazil. China still bought the soy beans, but now they have expanded their trade to South America, which makes them a major trading partner with cash strapped South American countries. Big win for China.

In order to better serve their Chinese markets, China is using their huge trade surplus with the rest of the world, to fund the construction of deep sea ports along the Pacific coast of South America, and the Indian Ocean ports along the African coastline, to facilitate the big transport ships handling all of this big trade with China. The Chinese call it the "Silk Road Trade Route". HUGE FUCKING WIN FOR CHINA.

All of these wins for China came directly out of the Trump Presidency. You now have no trade deal with China, because Trump tore them all up. China is basically taking over world trade, because Donald Trump tore up all of the trade deals that made the USA the richest nation in the world. You have NAFTA 2.0, a deal with South Korea, and a deal with Japan, none of which are much different than the past.

After 2008, the world began disentangling itself from the USA, and we all started building our own trade alliances. The NATO Partners are actively discussing a new security alliances which eliminates the USA, because your government has become too unstable.

So yes, by all means continue to believe that the military alliances which kept the world at peace for 70 years, were "unfair" to the USA, and the trade deals which made the USA the richest nation on earth were "taking advantage" of Americans.

Donald Trump just gave away the farm to China, quite literally, and you're worried about what Biden will allow China to do? That's closing the gate after the rustlers have left with your cattle.

 

[BlindBoo]

Law states changing the election process requires going through the legislature.

Please show me where these 4 states did that.

Here's one that went through the legislature.

Harrisburg, PA – Governor Wolf made voting more convenient and secure by signing Act 77 of 2019, the most significant improvement to Pennsylvania’s elections in more than 80 years. The bipartisan compromise legislation takes effect for the April 2020 primary election and makes Pennsylvania a national leader with voter-friendly election reforms.

Governor Wolf Signs Election Reform Bill Including New Mail-in Voting

Governor Wolf made voting more convenient and secure by signing Act 77 of 2019, the most significant improvement to Pennsylvania’s elections in more than 80 years. The bipartisan compromise legislation takes effect for the April 2020 primary election and makes Pennsylvania a national leader with...

www.governor.pa.gov

 

[Mac-7]

Are you aware of this ever happening before?

no

this is historic

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

That shows how little you know

It's actually a big problem. Are you aware of this ever happening before?

What's your response? I have given you the portions of the complaint giving Texas et al standing.

 

[colfax_m]

What's your response?

No one is debasing or diluting Texas's votes. For starters, dilution is impossible since each state's electors are set and no one is getting more or less electors than the constitution lays out.

Second, debasement of electors is irrelevant. Each states is granted authority to determine their own methods of selecting electors. Texas's votes can not be debased by the actions of someone else's votes.

 

[iceberg]

Aren't right wing loons (generally) for state's rights? Wonder how Texarse would feel if NY decided it wanted to repeal Texarse's CCW laws?

What laws----these 4 states didn't follow their own election law and used a faulty computer fraudulent system to tabulate votes incorrectly stealing an election maybe for a very unpopular senile crook named joe.

Keep the Chinese puppet and pedophile family out of the white house.

The Chinese puppet and pedophile family are already IN the White House. This election was about getting the Trump Crime Family OUT of the White House.

People who aren't criminals, don't need pardons. Trump is preparing to pardon everyone in his family and everyone in his administration. That tells you just how criminal and corrupt the Trump Administration has been.

I thought it was RUSSIA.

China your new RUSSIA?

Pathetic.

Nice attempt at deflection, but really, it's any authoritarian regime in the world. Trump has cozied up to all of them: Turkey, North Korea, China, Russia, Poland. Trump has snubbed allies and democratic states, and given all sorts of aid and comfort to the dictators.

You rail against the rapid expansion of Chinese influence throughout the world, but look how Trump has increased trade and power for China. When Trump pulled out of the Trans Pacific Partnership, relinguishing the role of Lead Nation in the TPP, China joined the TPP and took the role of the Lead Nation which Trump vacated, increasing worldwide trade with China, and opening up new markets for them. Big win for China.

When Trump issued tariffs against Chinese goods, China retailated by cancelling billions of dollars of agricultural orders, mainly soybeans purchased from mid-Western farmers. The American taxpayers are STILL paying subsidies to these farmers for their loss of business. Big loss for American taxpayers. But China still needed to buy soybeans, so they contracted with farmers in Argentina and Brazil. China still bought the soy beans, but now they have expanded their trade to South America, which makes them a major trading partner with cash strapped South American countries. Big win for China.

In order to better serve their Chinese markets, China is using their huge trade surplus with the rest of the world, to fund the construction of deep sea ports along the Pacific coast of South America, and the Indian Ocean ports along the African coastline, to facilitate the big transport ships handling all of this big trade with China. The Chinese call it the "Silk Road Trade Route". HUGE FUCKING WIN FOR CHINA.

All of these wins for China came directly out of the Trump Presidency. You now have no trade deal with China, because Trump tore them all up. China is basically taking over world trade, because Donald Trump tore up all of the trade deals that made the USA the richest nation in the world. You have NAFTA 2.0, a deal with South Korea, and a deal with Japan, none of which are much different than the past.

After 2008, the world began disentangling itself from the USA, and we all started building our own trade alliances. The NATO Partners are actively discussing a new security alliances which eliminates the USA, because your government has become too unstable.

So yes, by all means continue to believe that the military alliances which kept the world at peace for 70 years, were "unfair" to the USA, and the trade deals which made the USA the richest nation on earth were "taking advantage" of Americans.

Donald Trump just gave away the farm to China, quite literally, and you're worried about what Biden will allow China to do? That's closing the gate after the rustlers have left with your cattle.

oh.

it's you again.

i farted.

bye.

 

[colfax_m]

he POOF'd.

There was no "poof". All I said is that you asked an irrelevant question. There is a process for determining if a state has followed their own constitution. That process was already followed.

 

[iceberg]

Law states changing the election process requires going through the legislature.

Please show me where these 4 states did that.

Here's one that went through the legislature.

Harrisburg, PA – Governor Wolf made voting more convenient and secure by signing Act 77 of 2019, the most significant improvement to Pennsylvania’s elections in more than 80 years. The bipartisan compromise legislation takes effect for the April 2020 primary election and makes Pennsylvania a national leader with voter-friendly election reforms.

Governor Wolf Signs Election Reform Bill Including New Mail-in Voting

Governor Wolf made voting more convenient and secure by signing Act 77 of 2019, the most significant improvement to Pennsylvania’s elections in more than 80 years. The bipartisan compromise legislation takes effect for the April 2020 primary election and makes Pennsylvania a national leader with...

www.governor.pa.gov

and that was pre-covid. what did PA do *after* covid to change their systems?

nice try but i'm not chasing your turds down the toilet. please stick to the lawsuit.

 

[iceberg]

What's your response?

No one is debasing or diluting Texas's votes. For starters, dilution is impossible since each state's electors are set and no one is getting more or less electors than the constitution lays out.

Second, debasement of electors is irrelevant. Each states is granted authority to determine their own methods of selecting electors. Texas's votes can not be debased by the actions of someone else's votes.

If Texas votes for Trump and these (4) states were doing the same until these "voting changes" were implemented, then it does in fact impact the "will of the people" of all states.

and electors is not the case here. the states changing the rules of voting outside of legislative process is.

deflect king at it again.

 

[Toro]

 

[colfax_m]

If Texas votes for Trump and these (4) states were doing the same until these "voting changes" were implemented, then it does in fact impact the "will of the people" of all states.

and electors is not the case here. the states changing the rules of voting outside of legislative process is.

deflect king at it again.

How does any action of Pennsylvania affect the "will of the people" of Texas to select their electors?

Go on. Explain that.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

What's your response?

No one is debasing or diluting Texas's votes. For starters, dilution is impossible since each state's electors are set and no one is getting more or less electors than the constitution lays out.

Second, debasement of electors is irrelevant. Each states is granted authority to determine their own methods of selecting electors. Texas's votes can not be debased by the actions of someone else's votes.

Oh, so your legal argument amounts to....nuh-uh...

Second, debasement of electors is irrelevant.

So, you're just going to completely IGNORE Anderson v. Celebrezze, 460 U.S. 780, 795 (1983)?

BRILLIANT!!!

Just ignore the cited precedent and bring no other legal authority as a basis for your response. That works.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

If Texas votes for Trump and these (4) states were doing the same until these "voting changes" were implemented, then it does in fact impact the "will of the people" of all states.

and electors is not the case here. the states changing the rules of voting outside of legislative process is.

deflect king at it again.

How does any action of Pennsylvania affect the "will of the people" of Texas to select their electors?

Go on. Explain that.

Anderson v. Celebrezze, 460 U.S. 780, 795 (1983)

You fucking suck at this.

 

[colfax_m]

So, you're just going to completely IGNORE Anderson v. Celebrezze, 460 U.S. 780, 795 (1983)?

Go on. What does this decision have to do with the topic at hand. Please, mail the argument.

 

[iceberg]

If Texas votes for Trump and these (4) states were doing the same until these "voting changes" were implemented, then it does in fact impact the "will of the people" of all states.

and electors is not the case here. the states changing the rules of voting outside of legislative process is.

deflect king at it again.

How does any action of Pennsylvania affect the "will of the people" of Texas to select their electors?

Go on. Explain that.

explain where i was talking about the electors vs. the states going outside their own constitutional process.

you just keep hitting balls around hoping no one will try to pin you down. but every time i ask for something very specific, you run like forest gump.

 

[colfax_m]

explain where i was talking about the electors vs. the states going outside their own constitutional process.

The lawsuit is talking about the electors. Are you going off on your own tangent or are you discussing the lawsuit?