Teacher asks 8th-grade students to list positives of slavery...

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Teacher asks 8th-grade students to list positives of slavery

Let's see...

1. Free labor.

2. The cotton industry was booming.

3. As the great Cliven Bundy once said, it "gave them something to do".

4. 12 Years A Slave, which was a great movie, never would have been made.

Can you think of any more?

The school is just one more PC Idiocracy. EVERYTHING has a + and a - side to it, even slavery, that is the nature of the universe, otherwise there never would have been slaves! It was a lesson in critical thinking, thinking outside the box, not justification of slavery, but now thanks to fear of PC, these kids will lose a valuable lesson in looking at something very bad and seeing that even such things have their positive aspects. The Chinese call it yin and yang, but in the Dumbed Down States of America, our poor kids are not allowed to think and learn freely, being told by their "school" that you are only allowed to believe that things like slavery, war, old age, illness and even death are all bad with nothing good or positive to ever be gleaned, taken or learned from them.

Only a white person in delusional denial thinks that there was anything positive about slavery. Especially in a nation whose credo reads “All men are created equal”, such conclusions would invite the enslavement of those privileged and in power presently. Maybe your opinion would be different if your ancestors and their progeny had been slaves.


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Oh. You mean like Hebrews? Native Americans? Irish folks? Asians?

Hebrews were slaves thousands of years ago in Egypt, Native Americans were never slaves,

The question, of itself, is not offensive. On the contrary, education should constructively challenge the developing intellect of students.
The positives of slavery did not go to the slaves, for example, but to the owners and their economic system. A student could and should have been able to see that, at least. Ultimately, the question could have led to the answer, "There were no positives for the victims of this practice".
They should also have learned about the context, that until relatively soon before the war to preserve the Union, slavery was common in the world and almost all cultures. Whites were not evil for having black slaves, just unenlightened.
Nuance seems less and less present in American social debate. Everything has to be 'good' or 'bad', and all according to the current mode and definition.

People who constantly pound on about how bad and evil white folks in America were for keeping slaves generally ignore the fact that slavery's been around throughout mankind in all parts of the world. That's just the way man rolled for centuries; it was a natural part of life and not looked at as morally wrong or anything. Not saying it was right or endorsing it. That's just the way it was and it was handed down through generations across cultures, continents, etc.

Pretty much every other advanced nation had abolished slavery decades before our Civil War.

And they abolished slavery peacefully.

It's a pretty wretched indictment on the South they were one of the few places in the world that would fight to the bloody death one of the worst wars in history to preserve human bondage.

, ever slaves in America. Or anywhere else for that matter. Maybe you’re the one who needs to go to school to learn the truth of slavery. Ignorance is a deal killer in these forums.



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You do realize that the North attacked the South, right?

^^^ And this ignorant, moronic post is yet another example of the idiocy that there was some ‘benefit’ to slavery: rightist revisionist history concerning the ‘confederacy’ and the Civil War – that perhaps slavery ‘wasn’t so bad’ and that slave owners were somehow ‘justified’ to own slaves.

 

[paperview]

Southern Rebels fired the first shots -- and did so months before Sumter.

The South had been banging the drums of war for years before.

Lost Cause enthusiasts are such lost causes.

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Just think about it using your own brain, dude. Why would the civilians of the Southern Confederacy let the Union keep forts that could blockade Southern ports at any time?

You think we would p[ut up with that crap today?

No, we would negotiate some kind of deal to get the forts under our control..

That is what the Southern civilians tried to do but were 'repulsed' (i.e. fired upon) in doing so.

But by all means, find me a case of Southern Confederate troops firing on Union civilians or military prior to January 8, 1861 and then you would have proven your case.

But you cant because it did not happen. You have been lied to about the Civil War your entire life, man. That is what victors do.

Lost Causers....a lost cause.

Florida had not even seceded, and no, no one was fired up then.

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Museum of Florida History - Crisis at Pensacola, 1861 »
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O.R.-- SERIES I--VOLUME 1 [S# 1] CHAPTER IV.
OPERATIONS IN FLORIDA.
No. 3. -- Reports of Lieut. Adam J. Slemmer, First U.S. Artillery, of the transfer of his command from Barrancas Barracks to Port Pickens, and subsequent events (to February 5, 1861) in Pensacola Harbor.

FORT PICKENS, FLA., February 5, 1861.
SIR: Having heard rumors that the forts and other public property in Pensacola Harbor were to be seized by troops under the orders of the governor of Florida, and having been advised of the seizure of the forts in Mobile Bay, I deemed it proper, having received no instructions from Washington, to endeavor to prevent, by all the means in my power, a like seizure here.

On the morning of the 7th ultimo, accompanied by Lieutenant Gilman, I called upon the commander of the navy-yard, Commodore Armstrong, to consult with him in reference to some plan to be adopted to insure the safety of the public property. We had a similar consultation on the evening of the same day and on the morning of the 8th. The commodore, in the absence of any orders, deemed it inexpedient to cooperate with us.

On the morning of the 8th I removed all the powder from the magazine in the Spanish battery of Fort Barrancas to the inner magazines, because, from its exposed position, it was liable to seizure at any moment. I also caused all the batteries to be put in working order, and at night placed a sergeant's guard in the fort with the drawbridge raised. That night a body of men (about twenty in number) came to the fort with the evident intention of taking possession. The corporal of the guard caused the alarm to be given, upon which the assailants retreated precipitately. The guard was immediately strengthened by half the company, but nothing further occurred that night.
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On 9 October 1861 the commander of Confederate forces in Pensacola, General Braxton Bragg, ordered an assault on Fort Pickens that was ultimately unsuccessful. Colonel Harvey Brown, the commander of Union forces, felt this attack required an answer and planned an attack of his own. Fort McRee, the closest fortification to Fort Pickens and a road block to any attempted assault on Pensacola, was to be the primary target.
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The Star of the West was fired upon by southern rebel yahoos on the 9th of January:

January 9, 1861. On this day, Senators Judah P. Benjamin and John Slidell of Louisiana telegraphed Gov. Moore of that state (which had not yet seceded from the Union), that Federal gunboats were secretly bringing supplies to the forts at the mouth of the Mississippi River. Both men had yet to resign from the Senate. Gov. Moore ordered Braxton Bragg and 500 troops to seize the forts and the United States arsenal at Baton Rouge.

---> On this same day, the Star of the West attempted to resupply Fort Sumter but was fired on by a masked battery from Morris Island and then by guns from Fort Moultrie. In spite of the fact the ship was flying two United States flags, the ship was repeatedly fired on. The ship turned and steamed away.


Why Is There Controversy Over Confederate Monuments?

West Point teaches the first unofficial shots were fired by the South, on Star of the West.

Learn your history, racist rebel Bowie.

History is my life's profession, over three decades -- not from Southern Lost Causers still pissed by they lost the war, and certainly not like you try to pluck a Wiki single citation and pretend you know all history from that.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I thought I posted this last night but for some reason I can't find it so I'll re-post here:

In my opinion, if the instruction had just used the word "perceived" positives and negatives then maybe the adults would have got it. Of course there were positives to the institution of slavery, just not for the slaves. They slave owners got free labor with any of the expense of paying the workers, the workers (slaves) ensured that the crops made it to market which also put money into the owner's pockets and then for the ones who actually would "breed" their slaves, increasing the number of hands available to them and for working and to sale, thereby additionally increasing their wealth.


After the slaves were emancipated, some of the slave owners received monetary compensation for the loss of their "property" while the slaves themselves were set free with nothing and no where to go.


It's unfortunate that what this instructor was attempting got waylaid by the semantics and possibly some hysterics [edit] because viewing this institution from not just the point of view of the slaves I believe would help students understand why a war was fought in order to keep the institution in place. There had to have been been something that was worth fighting for as there was and as generally is the case, it was primaryly financial but I suspect also psychological because the white slave owners did subscribe to the belief that the Negro race by device decree was pub on this earth to serve the white race (see the Texas declaration of secession if you are unfamiliar with concept)[/edit]
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[paperview]

You’re just a rabid racist, and you’re stupid too boot. I hope all you Trump loving losers are equally intelligent. However I’m betting you’re even stupider.

Ah, you must hate facts that make you look like the stupid ass hat that you truly are, dont you?

Bowie's favorite book:

 

[toobfreak]

And this ignorant, moronic post is yet another example of the idiocy that there was some ‘benefit’ to slavery: rightist revisionist history concerning the ‘confederacy’ and the Civil War – that perhaps slavery ‘wasn’t so bad’ and that slave owners were somehow ‘justified’ to own slaves.

Of course there was a HUGE benefit to slavery, MORON! WAKE THE FUCK UP OUT OF YOUR SLEEP. Why do you think nations around the world for thousands of years had slavery? It was an employer's dream still dreampt of today:

hugely cheap, disposable labor with little or no benefits or rights. It is a goal still sought today by every company as much as they can skirt around the law without being caught doing so. Given half the chance, they'd work you 60 hours a week with no breaks, beat you if you slowed down and would fire and replace you the first time you got sick, missed work or under-produced. "Law" is only a pretense to mask the real savagery of mankind, and only the idiot derps of the Left think somehow they are changing that by tearing down a statue in a park somewhere.

And yes they WERE justified in owning slaves, it was a LEGAL PRACTICE at the time and huge disadvantage if you didn't while other companies did. You morons keep trying to assign 21st century interpretations to 19th century actions! By your thinking and by logical extension, cave men were bad people for killing animals with spears which caused much suffering and cooking them over an open fire while making their wife live in a cave skinning animals for clothes. Of course, there were no wives, the men just boinked any girl that came along to shack up with him, which made ALL CAVEMEN by default terrible and Chauvinist dirtballs.

Cave Men should have made wives equal, given them allowances, beds, automobiles, air conditioning, vacations and careers as we know are proper today. There is no denying cavemen were terrible and all artifacts of ancient man should be torn down and destroyed for not living up to modern standards y not doing and providing things long before they were known, understood or available! There is no denying this guys and men are forever damned for not inventing civil rights back during the Eocene.

 

[Unkotare]

And this ignorant, moronic post is yet another example of the idiocy that there was some ‘benefit’ to slavery: rightist revisionist history concerning the ‘confederacy’ and the Civil War – that perhaps slavery ‘wasn’t so bad’ and that slave owners were somehow ‘justified’ to own slaves.

Of course there was a HUGE benefit to slavery, MORON! WAKE THE FUCK UP OUT OF YOUR SLEEP. Why do you think nations around the world for thousands of years had slavery? It was an employer's dream still dreampt of today: ......

It's a stupid labor model. Hiring low-wage workers is a much better system for the business owner.

 

[toobfreak]

And this ignorant, moronic post is yet another example of the idiocy that there was some ‘benefit’ to slavery: rightist revisionist history concerning the ‘confederacy’ and the Civil War – that perhaps slavery ‘wasn’t so bad’ and that slave owners were somehow ‘justified’ to own slaves.

Of course there was a HUGE benefit to slavery, MORON! WAKE THE FUCK UP OUT OF YOUR SLEEP. Why do you think nations around the world for thousands of years had slavery? It was an employer's dream still dreampt of today: ......

It's a stupid labor model. Hiring low-wage workers is a much better system for the business owner.

What if none apply?

 

[Unkotare]

And this ignorant, moronic post is yet another example of the idiocy that there was some ‘benefit’ to slavery: rightist revisionist history concerning the ‘confederacy’ and the Civil War – that perhaps slavery ‘wasn’t so bad’ and that slave owners were somehow ‘justified’ to own slaves.

Of course there was a HUGE benefit to slavery, MORON! WAKE THE FUCK UP OUT OF YOUR SLEEP. Why do you think nations around the world for thousands of years had slavery? It was an employer's dream still dreampt of today: ......

It's a stupid labor model. Hiring low-wage workers is a much better system for the business owner.

What if none apply?

Then the market does not support product.

 

[toobfreak]

And this ignorant, moronic post is yet another example of the idiocy that there was some ‘benefit’ to slavery: rightist revisionist history concerning the ‘confederacy’ and the Civil War – that perhaps slavery ‘wasn’t so bad’ and that slave owners were somehow ‘justified’ to own slaves.

Of course there was a HUGE benefit to slavery, MORON! WAKE THE FUCK UP OUT OF YOUR SLEEP. Why do you think nations around the world for thousands of years had slavery? It was an employer's dream still dreampt of today: ......

It's a stupid labor model. Hiring low-wage workers is a much better system for the business owner.

What if none apply?

Then the market does not support product.

No. The market doesn't support working at your wage. So you have the choice of either shutting down, raising wages to attract people, hiring illegal aliens, or back in the day, just buying some slaves. Not so stupid business model. The South went to WAR trying to preserve it.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

What kindergarden did you drop out of you ridiculous, racist moron. IMO it is sad folks are brainwashed into thinking Blacks built anything. Embarrassing actually. Sorry Black folks! But look at your homeland. Grass huts, genital mutilation, eating dirt, etc. Reality can be mean, but truth will set you free!

You really should get your nose out of those National Geographic magazines.

I don't have time to cherry pick more than a few examples so here's a link to the skylines of about 50 African cities: African cities skylines

Luanda, Angola (in Africa)

JOHANNESBURG, South Africa

Casablanca, Morocco

Lagos, Nigeria

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Whites were not evil for having black slaves, just unenlightened.

Wholeheartedly disagree with this statement, evil doesn't come close to accurately depicting the mindset of someone who could do the things to another human being that was done to the slaves.

If they were only unenlightened then once they realized what they were doing was heinous they an unenlightened person would try to do something to correct the damage they inflicted, but that's not what happened. Instead [more] laws were passed to attempt to return the slaves to bondage. And they were specifically for people of African descent.

To me it's very simply. If you would be outraged if someone were to kidnap, hold captive, rape, beat with a whip, murder or sell away one of your family members or do any of those things to you, then why would you believe it's okay to do any of those things to another human being? More importantly why would you pass laws that say it's only a crime when it's done to a white person but not to a black person?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What kindergarden did you drop out of you ridiculous, racist moron. IMO it is sad folks are brainwashed into thinking Blacks built anything. Embarrassing actually. Sorry Black folks! But look at your homeland. Grass huts, genital mutilation, eating dirt, etc. Reality can be mean, but truth will set you free!

You really should get your nose out of those National Geographic magazines.

I don't have time to cherry pick more than a few examples so here's a link to the skylines of about 50 African cities: African cities skylines

Luanda, Angola (in Africa)

JOHANNESBURG, South Africa

Casablanca, Morocco

Lagos, Nigeria

Casablanca is black? Johannesburg is black?

Who knew?

 

[bgrouse]

Whites were not evil for having black slaves, just unenlightened.

Wholeheartedly disagree with this statement, evil doesn't come close to accurately depicting the mindset of someone who could do the things to another human being that was done to the slaves.

It was certainly shortsighted. Should have left the negores to starve in Africa. We'd have a better country today.

 

[paperview]

Whites were not evil for having black slaves, just unenlightened.

Wholeheartedly disagree with this statement, evil doesn't come close to accurately depicting the mindset of someone who could do the things to another human being that was done to the slaves.

It was certainly shortsighted. Should have left the negores to starve in Africa. We'd have a better country today.

99% of the slaves in the US were born and bred HERE, you racist slimebucket.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Casablanca is black? Johannesburg is black?

Who knew?

"Snouter [also known as Rob] said: ↑
...it is sad folks are brainwashed into thinking Blacks built anything. Embarrassing actually. Sorry Black folks! But look at your homeland. Grass huts, genital mutilation, eating dirt, etc."

My mistake, Arabs are considered white by U.S. definition. In Johannesburg though

The most common racial groups in Johannesburg are Black African (76.4%), Coloured (5.6%), White (12.3%) and Indian/Asian (4.9%).
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Even if I remove either or both of them from the list, Snouter is still a raging racist.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

It was certainly shortsighted. Should have left the negores to starve in Africa. We'd have a better country today.

Or maybe they should have risen up and killed their captors as they slept at night in their beds. Certainly no one could have blamed them for doing so right since it's allegedly known that black people are inherently violent & criminally inclined right?

Yet still they didn't.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Whites were not evil for having black slaves, just unenlightened.

Wholeheartedly disagree with this statement, evil doesn't come close to accurately depicting the mindset of someone who could do the things to another human being that was done to the slaves.

It was certainly shortsighted. Should have left the negores to starve in Africa. We'd have a better country today.

99% of the slaves in the US were born and bred HERE, you racist slimebucket.

Say what?


Do you have a link for that nonsense .

 

[bodecea]

Teacher asks 8th-grade students to list positives of slavery

SAN ANTONIO -- A San Antonio charter school has apologized after a teacher asked students in an eighth grade American history class to list the positive and negative aspects of slavery. The teacher at Great Hearts Monte Vista who distributed a worksheet titled "The Life of Slaves: A Balanced View" has been placed on leave.

Aaron Kindel, the superintendent of Great Hearts Texas, said in a statement the school would audit the textbook associated with the lesson.

"To be clear, there is no debate about slavery. It is immoral and a crime against humanity," Kindel said in a statement posted Thursday on the Great Hearts Facebook page. He said the school's headmaster plans to explain the mistake to the history class.

Scott Overland, a spokesman for Pearson, which published the textbook, said the company didn't create and doesn't endorse the worksheet assigned to the students, CBS affiliate KENS-TV reports.

"We do not support the point of view represented in the worksheet and strongly condemn the implication that there was any positive aspect to slavery," Overland said.

A parent of one of the students in the class posted the worksheet Wednesday on Facebook. Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, drew attention to the issue on Thursday when the Democrat tweeted that the worksheet was "absolutely unacceptable."

Let's see...

1. Free labor.

2. The cotton industry was booming.

3. As the great Cliven Bundy once said, it "gave them something to do".

4. 12 Years A Slave, which was a great movie, never would have been made.

Can you think of any more?

I wonder if Mike Griffith helped them out.

 

[Coyote]

Teacher asks 8th-grade students to list positives of slavery

SAN ANTONIO -- A San Antonio charter school has apologized after a teacher asked students in an eighth grade American history class to list the positive and negative aspects of slavery. The teacher at Great Hearts Monte Vista who distributed a worksheet titled "The Life of Slaves: A Balanced View" has been placed on leave.

Aaron Kindel, the superintendent of Great Hearts Texas, said in a statement the school would audit the textbook associated with the lesson.

"To be clear, there is no debate about slavery. It is immoral and a crime against humanity," Kindel said in a statement posted Thursday on the Great Hearts Facebook page. He said the school's headmaster plans to explain the mistake to the history class.

Scott Overland, a spokesman for Pearson, which published the textbook, said the company didn't create and doesn't endorse the worksheet assigned to the students, CBS affiliate KENS-TV reports.

"We do not support the point of view represented in the worksheet and strongly condemn the implication that there was any positive aspect to slavery," Overland said.

A parent of one of the students in the class posted the worksheet Wednesday on Facebook. Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, drew attention to the issue on Thursday when the Democrat tweeted that the worksheet was "absolutely unacceptable."

Let's see...

1. Free labor.

2. The cotton industry was booming.

3. As the great Cliven Bundy once said, it "gave them something to do".

4. 12 Years A Slave, which was a great movie, never would have been made.

Can you think of any more?

The school is just one more PC Idiocracy. EVERYTHING has a + and a - side to it, even slavery, that is the nature of the universe, otherwise there never would have been slaves! It was a lesson in critical thinking, thinking outside the box, not justification of slavery, but now thanks to fear of PC, these kids will lose a valuable lesson in looking at something very bad and seeing that even such things have their positive aspects. The Chinese call it yin and yang, but in the Dumbed Down States of America, our poor kids are not allowed to think and learn freely, being told by their "school" that you are only allowed to believe that things like slavery, war, old age, illness and even death are all bad with nothing good or positive to ever be gleaned, taken or learned from them.

What was the plus side of Hitler? He was a lousy painter.

 

[bgrouse]

Whites were not evil for having black slaves, just unenlightened.

Wholeheartedly disagree with this statement, evil doesn't come close to accurately depicting the mindset of someone who could do the things to another human being that was done to the slaves.

It was certainly shortsighted. Should have left the negores to starve in Africa. We'd have a better country today.

99% of the slaves in the US were born and bred HERE, you racist slimebucket.

Born of whom, dumbass? African natives native to America found in the wild in the USA?

It was certainly shortsighted. Should have left the negores to starve in Africa. We'd have a better country today.

Or maybe they should have risen up and killed their captors as they slept at night in their beds. Certainly no one could have blamed them for doing so right since it's allegedly known that black people are inherently violent & criminally inclined right?

Yet still they didn't.

That's because whites didn't let them do that, being the smarter race. But they certainly do it now that liberals let them run wild! Don't they commit more than half the homicides despite being only 13% of the population?