Take the louie888 challenge!

[Lastamender]

OK, ready? This is really simple. I challenge each of you to ask 100 children 3 simple questions and then report back here with your results. If you can't find 100 kids, get off your computer and go outside, lol, but seriously, don't worry, just ask as many as you can.

1) Is it right to steal land and homes?

2) If your father lived somewhere before you were born, would it be OK for you to go there and claim that land and home as your own?

3) If your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandparents lived somewhere, would it be OK for you to go there and claim that land and home as your own?

I am looking forward to the results coming in. This should be fun.

Why are you ignoring the fact the UN gave the Jews that land? And that the religion of Islam objects to the Jews even living, let alone living there. They stole nothing. You do not steal what is given. Maybe you think so, but that only shows how screwed up you are.

There is a Dry Bones quiz about Palestine, maybe the kids have some answers to that.

 

[louie888]

louie has no ability to formulate an objective system of beliefs concerning theft of land and return, thus creates a (sadly common) hypocrisy as outlined in this thread and others. He, like many others, creates a separate set of rules for the Jewish people. (Even to the extent of denying there is such a "real" thing).

He vehemently argues on the one hand that theft of land is wrong, while arguing on the other that its not wrong when committed against the Jewish people.

He argues on the one hand that foreigners should "go home" while supporting the continued presence of Arab invaders and colonizers in Israel.

He argues on the one hand that European settlers should not steal "Palestinian" land while on the other arguing that it is just fine for European settlers to steal the Americas and Australia.

He argues on the one hand that the possessor of the land has rights to the land while on the other that possessor must return the land to its owners.

Its a mess.

All false. Shusha thinks claiming people believe things that they don't helps her case.

And this is another example of how far off topic one can be. This was a really simple OP. All she had to do was find some children to ask 3 simple questions and report back to this thread. She won't though, because she already knows what they will tell her.

 

[Shusha]

Well, I typically don't ask children to solve complex political problems. (Conversing with you excepted).

You have had ample opportunity to write an objective argument. You continually fail to do so.

The OP argues against it being permissible to steal someone's land while also denying the right of return to those who had their land stolen.

So you are arguing that its not okay to steal someone's land, but once its stolen nothing can be done about. Oh well. That effectively solves the Arab-Israeli conflict and end's the right of return for Palestinian people.

 

[louie888]

Well, I typically don't ask children to solve complex political problems. (Conversing with you excepted).

3 simple questions.

Stop trolling, get outside, and let's see the results.

 

[MaryL]

OK, ready? This is really simple. I challenge each of you to ask 100 children 3 simple questions and then report back here with your results. If you can't find 100 kids, get off your computer and go outside, lol, but seriously, don't worry, just ask as many as you can.

1) Is it right to steal land and homes?

2) If your father lived somewhere before you were born, would it be OK for you to go there and claim that land and home as your own?

3) If your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandparents lived somewhere, would it be OK for you to go there and claim that land and home as your own?

I am looking forward to the results coming in. This should be fun.

But you left out question #4) If you were a victim of persecution and genocide as immigrants, would you return to your ancestral homeland? I am looking forward to the results of the answer on that one.

 

[Shusha]

Why? I've already stated its wrong to steal land. You agree with me. So how are we going to get the land back to the Jewish people? Oh yeah, they already did that. What's to talk about?

 

[louie888]

But you left out question #4) If you were a victim of persecution and genocide as immigrants, would you return to your ancestral homeland? I am looking forward to the results of the answer on that one.

LOL, start a thread. And for me personally, yes, the European immigrants should return to their ancestral homeland in EUROPE!

Shusha

Let's cut to the chase. Answer question 3 for us.

If your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandparents lived somewhere, would it be OK for you to go there and claim that land and home as your own?

 

[Lastamender]

But you left out question #4) If you were a victim of persecution and genocide as immigrants, would you return to your ancestral homeland? I am looking forward to the results of the answer on that one.

LOL, start a thread. And for me personally, yes, the European immigrants should return to their ancestral homeland in EUROPE!

Shusha

Let's cut to the chase. Answer question 3 for us.

If your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandparents lived somewhere, would it be OK for you to go there and claim that land and home as your own?

How about your questions? The kids drawing a blank.

 

[Shusha]

And for me personally, yes, the European immigrants should return to their ancestral homeland in EUROPE!

Really? You think all the European immigrants to the Americas should return to Europe?!

 

[MaryL]

But you left out question #4) If you were a victim of persecution and genocide as immigrants, would you return to your ancestral homeland? I am looking forward to the results of the answer on that one.

LOL, start a thread. And for me personally, yes, the European immigrants should return to their ancestral homeland in EUROPE!

Shusha

Let's cut to the chase. Answer question 3 for us.

If your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandparents lived somewhere, would it be OK for you to go there and claim that land and home as your own?

Really? Is this the third grade? You don't dictate the terms of this debate. This is ironic as hell, We have illegal aliens from Mexico now getting special treatment by my civic leaders and giving them sanctuary in a country they were never in, in any shape or form no matter how abstract. For political expediency and short term greed. If we want to examine what's fair and moral, let's look at how immigration has overturned the cultural apple cart in almost all western countries. Put it all in perspective .

 

[Shusha]

If your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandparents lived somewhere, would it be OK for you to go there and claim that land and home as your own?

I think you are operating from a false premise. The Jewish people have been in the land for thousands of years. Of course they have indigenous rights to it. Just like all indigenous peoples have rights to sovereignty over their historical their lands. And I apply that to all indigenous peoples.

Didn't you JUST say that people need to return to their ancestral homelands? That is EXACTLY what the Jewish people are doing. Returning to their ancestral homelands.

 

[Indeependent]

But you left out question #4) If you were a victim of persecution and genocide as immigrants, would you return to your ancestral homeland? I am looking forward to the results of the answer on that one.

LOL, start a thread. And for me personally, yes, the European immigrants should return to their ancestral homeland in EUROPE!

Shusha

Let's cut to the chase. Answer question 3 for us.

If your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandparents lived somewhere, would it be OK for you to go there and claim that land and home as your own?

Were these children Native Americans?

 

[MaryL]

But you left out question #4) If you were a victim of persecution and genocide as immigrants, would you return to your ancestral homeland? I am looking forward to the results of the answer on that one.

LOL, start a thread. And for me personally, yes, the European immigrants should return to their ancestral homeland in EUROPE!

Shusha

Let's cut to the chase. Answer question 3 for us.

If your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandparents lived somewhere, would it be OK for you to go there and claim that land and home as your own?

Were these children Native Americans?

The human race, all 7 billion of us, were originally from Africa, we are children of nomads, even Palestinians 200X grandfathers. Uprooted, move else were, move again. I don't use suicide bombers or hurt illegal alien Mexicans and try to use my personal outrage to engage in a vicious cycle. There are better ways than violence. I personally can relate to Palestinians. I can also relate to Israelis, defending their right to exist.

 

[Indeependent]

But you left out question #4) If you were a victim of persecution and genocide as immigrants, would you return to your ancestral homeland? I am looking forward to the results of the answer on that one.

LOL, start a thread. And for me personally, yes, the European immigrants should return to their ancestral homeland in EUROPE!

Shusha

Let's cut to the chase. Answer question 3 for us.

If your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandparents lived somewhere, would it be OK for you to go there and claim that land and home as your own?

Were these children Native Americans?

The human race, all 7 billion of us, were originally from Africa, we are children of nomads, even Palestinians 200X grandfathers. Uprooted, move else were, move again. I don't use suicide bombers or hurt illegal alien Mexicans and try to use my personal outrage to engage in a vicious cycle. There are better ways than violence. I personally can relate to Palestinians. I can also relate to Israelis, defending their right to exist.

The post-Noach verses tell a different tale though many of Cham's children did eventually migrate to Egypt.

 

[Indeependent]

But you left out question #4) If you were a victim of persecution and genocide as immigrants, would you return to your ancestral homeland? I am looking forward to the results of the answer on that one.

LOL, start a thread. And for me personally, yes, the European immigrants should return to their ancestral homeland in EUROPE!

Shusha

Let's cut to the chase. Answer question 3 for us.

If your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandparents lived somewhere, would it be OK for you to go there and claim that land and home as your own?

I understand that you are currently discussing with every nation in the Eastern hemisphere that expelled the Jews to return their property, jewels, silver and gold.

 

[louie888]

I think you are operating from a false premise.

You don't even think. I am operating from no premise. I have asked for those interested to go out in the real world and ask 3 simple questions. If you don't do it, that is fine, but I know why you won't.

And I just got done reading to 3rd graders, 31 of them. Guess what? 93 more times I heard "no."

This is obvious even to young children.

 

[Indeependent]

I think you are operating from a false premise.

You don't even think. I am operating from no premise. I have asked for those interested to go out in the real world and ask 3 simple questions. If you don't do it, that is fine, but I know why you won't.

And I just got done reading to 3rd graders, 31 of them. Guess what? 93 more times I heard "no."

This is obvious even to young children.

See post 35 and please tell us you're working on it.

 

[flacaltenn]

OK. Here's the rule. If you DON'T want to play the game outlined in the OP -- Do not post here.

It's NOT gonna get personal and I'm not closing it. But folks who STILL are masochistic enough to participate will be warned -- if they don't address the OP in every post. That goes for the Thread Starter as well..

 

[montelatici]

If your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandparents lived somewhere, would it be OK for you to go there and claim that land and home as your own?

I think you are operating from a false premise. The Jewish people have been in the land for thousands of years. Of course they have indigenous rights to it. Just like all indigenous peoples have rights to sovereignty over their historical their lands. And I apply that to all indigenous peoples.

Didn't you JUST say that people need to return to their ancestral homelands? That is EXACTLY what the Jewish people are doing. Returning to their ancestral homelands.

Once the indigenous people converted to Christianity, they ceased to be Jews, they became Christians. And most of those Christians converted to Islam over the subsequent centuries. Europeans (Zionists) could not possibly return to an ancestral homeland that was not in Europe.

 

[louie888]

Once the indigenous people converted to Christianity, they ceased to be Jews, they became Christians. And most of those Christians converted to Islam over the subsequent centuries. Europeans (Zionists) could not possibly return to an ancestral homeland that was not in Europe.

All true and I don't think they even debate this.