Taiwan’s Defense Ministry says a large Chinese military force has been detected near island

[Kruska]

It is becoming more clear than ever that the West is going to have to starve Chinas economy. If they had done so a decade ago, how many hundreds of thousands would be alive today in Ukraine when Putins military couldn't be fed by China?

The sanctions against Russia would have been so much more effective if not for Chinas support of them. Now, they seem poised to strike Taiwan.

Taiwan’s Defense Ministry says a large Chinese military force has been detected near island

TAIPEI, Taiwan (AP) — China's secretive military appears to be up to something around Taiwan, but it's unclear whether it's a formal military drill.

www.thestar.com

TAIPEI, Taiwan (AP) — China’s secretive military appears to be up to something around Taiwan, but it’s unclear whether it’s a formal military drill.
Taiwan’s Defense Ministry said Tuesday that it has detected a dozen Chinese naval ships and 47 military planes in the past 24 hours but no live-fire activity as in previous military exercises. The deployment covers a wider area this time, with additional ships going beyond Taiwan into other parts of the Pacific, defense officials said at a news conference.

Blaming China for the NATO eastward expansion (thus causing the Ukraine crisis) is about as dumb as it can get.

What proof do you have that China (it's government) is supporting Russia aka Putin?? and with what?

 

[JoeB131]

When you make your wife the center of your conversation that makes her fair game

Some people get tired of your “I’m right cause my wife is chinese” schtick

I try to bring you guys a perspective.

Because you all think the Chinese are 10 feet tall and ready to eat your babies or some such shit.

This is the problem when you guys live in constant fear. Fear of the immigrant, fear of transgenders, fear of China.

 

[Mac-7]

We slap Mexico around like a little ***** any time we want to.

By that logic, China has a right to slap around the Philippines any time it wants to.

The warped logic is your logic based on lies

The US does not “ slap Mexico around like a little ***** any time we want to.“

And china has no right to bully the Philippines based on lies

 

[JoeB131]

The warped logic is your logic based on lies

The US does not “ slap Mexico around like a little ***** any time we want to.“

And china has no right to bully the Philippines based on lies

Are you kidding? WE STOLE HALF THEIR DAMNED TERRITORY.

China has the same right to bully the Philippines that Spain, America, and Japan did. It's a smaller, weaker country. This is how the world works, buddy.

Be glad it's only about fishing rights.

 

[Mac-7]

Are you kidding? WE STOLE HALF THEIR DAMNED TERRITORY.

You speak of 1846 as if it were yesterday

No wonder you struggle with the present day

In 2024 communist china is an aggressor nation

A bully toward its smaller neighbors in the region

 

[JoeB131]

You speak of 1846 as if it were yesterday

No wonder you struggle with the present day

In 2024 communist china is an aggressor nation

A bully toward its smaller neighbors in the region

You mean, it's asserting it's territorial rights.

The past effects the future.

If we hadn't stolen half of Mexico's territory, we wouldn't have the problem of them immigrating here today. We'd have a more equal relationship.

 

[Mac-7]

You mean, it's asserting it's territorial rights.

The past effects the future.

If we hadn't stolen half of Mexico's territory, we wouldn't have the problem of them immigrating here today. We'd have a more equal relationship.

China has no territorial rights over philippine coastal waters

 

[JoeB131]

China has no territorial rights over philippine coastal waters

some Island in the SCS isn't their coastal waters.

Hey, the Filipinos threw us out in the 1990s. Not my problem.

 

[Mac-7]

some Island in the SCS isn't their coastal waters.

Hey, the Filipinos threw us out in the 1990s. Not my problem.

Maritime law says waters off the Philippines belong to the Philippines

 

[Mac-7]

some Island in the SCS isn't their coastal waters.

Hey, the Filipinos threw us out in the 1990s. Not my problem.

And now they have invited us back in because of the communist china menace

 

[shockedcanadian]

Blaming China for the NATO eastward expansion (thus causing the Ukraine crisis) is about as dumb as it can get.

What proof do you have that China (it's government) is supporting Russia aka Putin?? and with what?

How is China supporting Russia after it was sanctioned for Ukraine war? How is China supporting Russia after it was sanctioned for Ukraine war?​

 

[Kruska]

How is China supporting Russia after it was sanctioned for Ukraine war? How is China supporting Russia after it was sanctioned for Ukraine war?​

So???
Your quoted article doesn't mention with any word - that China's government would supply e.g. weapons to Russia or any military hardware.
And e.g. a CNC machine can be used for whatever purpose - whilst a Franco-British Storm Shadow can only be used for one purpose.

Where does it state that China is obliged by any international law to stop trading with Russia? You are however aware of US companies buying Russian gas and oil - and then selling it back at horrendous prices to those idiots in the German government - right?

You are also aware that China proposed a peace deal (that was based on keeping a demilitarized zone along the existing Front-line) before the Russians manged to get Bachmut and a larger sway of further Ukrainian lands. And that proposal was dismantled by the USA and NATO before it's content was even known.

However Trump, who is willing to sacrifice Ukrainian land to broker a deal, is viewed as a hero by his supporters. - ridiculous.

You and alike are simply pissed off - that China is not partnering up with the US and NATO to assist them in their global hegemonic agenda.

 

[Kruska]

Maritime law says waters off the Philippines belong to the Philippines

And China respects this FULLY - no PRC military craft or vessel has entered the territorial or contiguous zone of the Philippines.
What both argue about is the exclusive economic zone (up to 200 miles off the coast)

And if China possesses an island that is e.g. 20 mls off the Philippine contiguous zone - well then China's EEZ claim also stretches for 200mls and China's contiguous zone extends up to 24 mls, just as well. That is why both parties need to NEGOTIATE - and not the USA playing sea police in a matter, to which they are not even signatories.

BTW are you even familiar with e.g. Taiwan's ROC based claim towards the e.g. Philippines - off course you are not, you just babble anti China nonsense.

 

[Mac-7]

What both argue about is the exclusive economic zone (up to 200 miles off the coast)

That was argued in international court and china lost

“In 2016, a United Nations tribunal, following a suit brought by the Philippines, ruled that China’s nine-dash-line had no legal basis. But Beijing has ignored the ruling and continued to reclaim and militarise reefs and submerged shoals in the waterway to advance its expansive claims.”

What’s behind escalating China-Philippines tensions in the South China Sea?

Confrontations in the South China Sea between China and the Philippines continue despite efforts to manage disputes.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Kruska]

That was argued in international court and china lost

“In 2016, a United Nations tribunal, following a suit brought by the Philippines, ruled that China’s nine-dash-line had no legal basis. But Beijing has ignored the ruling and continued to reclaim and militarise reefs and submerged shoals in the waterway to advance its expansive claims.”

What’s behind escalating China-Philippines tensions in the South China Sea?

Confrontations in the South China Sea between China and the Philippines continue despite efforts to manage disputes.

www.aljazeera.com

Why should they? - after-all the 9 dash line was already a reduction (Mao, gave voluntarily territory to Vietnam) to the previous established 11 dash line by the ROC. And the ROC 11 dash line was recognized by the USA - who even handed out USN ships to Taiwan - so that they could reclaim territory taken by the PRC.

There is no global consensus. There are many countries that have not signed UNCLOS, including the United States!
There is no enforcement mechanism. Who is going to wage war over an UNCLOS ruling? Furthermore UNCLOS ain't neutral.

No territorial dispute in history has ever been resolved by international agreement for the above reasons. & see . the Iceland-UK cod wars.

The SCS dispute, like nearly all other disputes, will have to be resolved by diplomacy between the claimants. Everybody else should butt out - foremost a non signatory like the USA, and the UK and Australia that got no say and claim in the SCS.

Why are you avoiding Taiwan's ROC 11 dash line claim? - never questioned by the USA and it's vassals Australia and the UK, famous for Taiwan fishery ships and it's naval/coastguard units clashing with Japanese fishermen and naval/coastguard units - right up to Japan detaining Taiwanese fishery-ships, and the PRC aiding the Taiwanese demands towards Japan.

9th August 2024 – (Beijing) In a strongly worded statement on Friday, a Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson condemned Japan’s recent detention of two Taiwanese fishing vessels, demanding that Tokyo immediately correct its wrongdoing.

According to the spokesperson, the Chinese government attaches great importance to safeguarding the lawful interests of Chinese fishermen, including those from Taiwan. Under the China-Japan Fisheries Agreement, the spokesperson said, Japan has no right to take enforcement measures against Chinese fishing vessels in the relevant waters.

 

[Mac-7]

Why should they? - after-all the 9 dash line was already a reduction (Mao, gave voluntarily territory to Vietnam) to the previous established 11 dash line by the ROC. And the ROC 11 dash line was recognized by the USA - who even handed out USN ships to Taiwan - so that they could reclaim territory taken by the PRC.

There is no global consensus. There are many countries that have not signed UNCLOS, including the United States!
There is no enforcement mechanism. Who is going to wage war over an UNCLOS ruling? Furthermore UNCLOS ain't neutral.

No territorial dispute in history has ever been resolved by international agreement for the above reasons. & see . the Iceland-UK cod wars.

The SCS dispute, like nearly all other disputes, will have to be resolved by diplomacy between the claimants. Everybody else should butt out - foremost a non signatory like the USA, and the UK and Australia that got no say and claim in the SCS.

Why are you avoiding Taiwan's ROC 11 dash line claim? - never questioned by the USA and it's vassals Australia and the UK, famous for Taiwan fishery ships and it's naval/coastguard units clashing with Japanese fishermen and naval/coastguard units - right up to Japan detaining Taiwanese fishery-ships, and the PRC aiding the Taiwanese demands towards Japan.

9th August 2024 – (Beijing) In a strongly worded statement on Friday, a Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson condemned Japan’s recent detention of two Taiwanese fishing vessels, demanding that Tokyo immediately correct its wrongdoing.

According to the spokesperson, the Chinese government attaches great importance to safeguarding the lawful interests of Chinese fishermen, including those from Taiwan. Under the China-Japan Fisheries Agreement, the spokesperson said, Japan has no right to take enforcement measures against Chinese fishing vessels in the relevant waters.

China will have to stop invading philippine territory whether they agree with the UN ruling or not

 

[Kruska]

China will have to stop invading philippine territory whether they agree with the UN ruling or not

You obviously meant to say - The Philippines can't lay claim onto Chinese national waters and territories - especially in a world where a nobody got no say anyway.

BTW - you still keep avoiding Taiwan's fishery trips into e.g. Philippine claimed waters.

 

[Mac-7]

You obviously meant to say - The Philippines can't lay claim onto Chinese national waters and territories - especially in a world where a nobody got no say anyway.

BTW - you still keep avoiding Taiwan's fishery trips into e.g. Philippine claimed waters.

No i didnt mean to say that

 

[drudge X]

We slap Mexico around like a little ***** any time we want to.

By that logic, China has a right to slap around the Philippines any time it wants to.

US slaps Mexico around or Mexico is enjoying this nation open border and giving their people free shit and laughing their asses off at this nation's stupidity?

 

[Kruska]

No i didnt mean to say that

Yes you did- BTW:

Academic Graham Allison observed in 2016, "None of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council have ever accepted any international court's ruling when (in their view) it infringed their sovereignty or national security interests. Thus, when China rejects the Court's decision in this case, it will be doing just what the other great powers have repeatedly done for decades."

Following the arbitration result, former Secretary-General of the Maritime and Oceans Affairs Center of the Philippines Alberto Encomienda asserted that the Philippines government had lied when it stated that it had exhausted bilateral discussions prior to beginning the arbitration proceedings. According to Encomienda, who had overseen the bilateral negotiations for the Philippines side prior to the arbitration proceedings, "Manila never responded" to repeated efforts by China to resume negotiating. In Encomienda's view, the Philippines government was responsible for escalating tension on the South China Sea issues.

And anyone familiar with this matter, knows it was the USA, that pushed the Philippines - not to seek a bilateral solution - but to make use of a corrupt and open towards manipulation institution - that is attached to the UN.

Tribunal Statement:

The tribunal had considered the issues related to the maritime areas in South China Sea. It declared its position on the award that:

"Nothing in this Award should be understood to comment in any way on China’s historic claim to the islands of the South China Sea."

Its position reaffirms that the tribunal's rulings do not apply to China's territorial sovereignty claims over the islands and maritime features in South China Sea, and the award would not make any implication in China's sovereignty claims.


Therefore China has every right to reject and simply to ignore that ruling from the Hague tribunal