Taiwan.....an enigma

[frigidweirdo]

Founded by the Chinese but now separatist the Taiwanese face a true paradox of future identity.
At one time I thought it was inevitable that Taiwan would simply be reabsorbed into the Chinese mainland. Now I'm not so sure. The flavor of freedom has broken loose on the Taiwanese people and they have the example of Hong Kong to see what the CCP thinks of free choice.

Now being bolstered by Western military aid Taiwan will be a tough nut to crack even for an up-and-coming superpower like China.

Aside from the fact that the Chinese population is roughly 60 times greater than the Taiwanese population.... China has made a miraculous leap forward in military might over the past decade.
Even the United States would have to think twice about engaging them directly. However Taiwan is an island.... And at this point well defended. Would China be willing to pay the heavy price it would most certainly cost to take it by force?

This isn't too different from when the United States declared its independence from England. The one big difference being that this Goliath is a whole hell of a lot bigger than the English Goliath was to the colonials....

If China decided to use it's rather impressive naval military might to blockade Taiwan completely...
I am at a loss to say how exactly anyone could do anything about it.

Enter stage left Japan and the United States and maybe Australia and the Philippines and you might have a strong argument for breaking such a blockade. Would that start world war 3?

I don't know.

It all depends on who is in charge of the country.

People think that Xi is in charge, but from what I've heard, over the summer Xi stopped being in charge of the country. He's head of state, but he does not dictate policy.

He's very much like Trump in that he wanted to go down in history. He had his "Xi Jinping thoughts" and they've kind of disappeared.

The armed forces in China are like a separate powerbase.

However there was a purge of the armed forces after Xi kind of got demoted (obviously not officially or in public).

Three high-ranking Chinese military officials expelled for corruption

China's parliament has expelled three top military officials in a significant anti-corruption drive. Wang Renhua, Zhang Hongbing, and Wang Peng have been removed from their positions. This action follows speculation due to their recent absences from key military events. The crackdown, led by...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

"Three high-ranking Chinese military officials expelled for corruption"

The problem with corruption in China is THEY'RE ALL CORRUPT. To be a top CCP official you are expected to be corrupt. You can't pay for your promotion without being corrupt. So they can get rid of you super easy.

In China once you have a job, and have passed the probation period, it's difficult to get rid of that person. It's literally an art form of how you fire people without having to pay them loads of money.

And the same seems to happen high up. They keep everyone corrupt, and then take them out by having that "anti-corruption drive".

This drive has been happening for a while. But who is directing this drive? And why?

Hard to know. Could be that they're putting the economy first, and not invading Taiwan. Could be these people didn't want to invade Taiwan. Who knows? But something has changed, and the anti-Taiwan sentiment seems to have dropped lower in recent times (even though they had a military drill around Taiwan the other day).

 

[JoeB131]

Iran soon won't be trading with anyone. The "I" in Brics is in complete chaos. The Rias are worthless until they set up a new government. So we'll see what happens with the Shaheed drones that Moscow likes. And the support for all these terrorist groups is likely over as well.

The "I" in BRICS isn't Iran, it's India. If you are this ignorant on the topic, you should probably keep your mouth shut.


The BRICS are trading with Iran, making Trump's sanctions kind of meaningless.

 

[JohnDB]

The "I" in BRICS isn't Iran, it's India. If you are this ignorant on the topic, you should probably keep your mouth shut.


The BRICS are trading with Iran, making Trump's sanctions kind of meaningless.

Iran is GONE.
No more mullahs. They have taken off their robes and are fleeing like cowards.

Since you are this challenged...and have had MULTIPLE serious problems recently let me know how the doc visit goes.

And the bit about India....we just became their favorite trade partner and BRICS still is just a pipe dream. (You fall for EVERY setup) They haven't agreed on anything other than principles....zero money and zero agreements mean zero BRICS. (India is this years president of BRICS)

And you REALLY need to see a doc about your cognitive function.

 

[JoeB131]

Iran is GONE.
No more mullahs. They have taken off their robes and are fleeing like cowards.

I actually had to look it up to see if there was some news I missed, but there wasn't.

You live in your own crazy world, don't you?

And the bit about India....we just became their favorite trade partner and BRICS still is just a pipe dream. (You fall for EVERY setup) They haven't agreed on anything other than principles....zero money and zero agreements mean zero BRICS. (India is this years president of BRICS)

Um, no. Modi is palling with Putin and Xi, not Trump.

 

[JohnDB]

I actually had to look it up to see if there was some news I missed, but there wasn't.

You live in your own crazy world, don't you?



Um, no. Modi is palling with Putin and Xi, not Trump.

You are just wishing is all.

"Money where your mouth is" ain't happening.

Indian money just went to USA dollars....not the BRICS new bank (which only exists in dreamland)

Modified says one thing and does another. There are no solidified agreements with BRICS except as a dream. CCP is broke financially.....so is Russia because war is expensive, cut out of international banking system, and nobody will trade with them.
(Their deals were always lousy to begin with)

The business world has moved on. Nobody cares anymore about BRICS because it wont become a reality. You have two leeches at the top of the food chain with BRICS....nobody is going to put money into a system that two of the partners are looking to deplete the moment it exists.

 

[Mac-7]

Founded by the Chinese but now separatist the Taiwanese face a true paradox of future identity.
At one time I thought it was inevitable that Taiwan would simply be reabsorbed into the Chinese mainland. Now I'm not so sure. The flavor of freedom has broken loose on the Taiwanese people and they have the example of Hong Kong to see what the CCP thinks of free choice.

Now being bolstered by Western military aid Taiwan will be a tough nut to crack even for an up-and-coming superpower like China.

Aside from the fact that the Chinese population is roughly 60 times greater than the Taiwanese population.... China has made a miraculous leap forward in military might over the past decade.
Even the United States would have to think twice about engaging them directly. However Taiwan is an island.... And at this point well defended. Would China be willing to pay the heavy price it would most certainly cost to take it by force?

This isn't too different from when the United States declared its independence from England. The one big difference being that this Goliath is a whole hell of a lot bigger than the English Goliath was to the colonials....

If China decided to use it's rather impressive naval military might to blockade Taiwan completely...
I am at a loss to say how exactly anyone could do anything about it.

Enter stage left Japan and the United States and maybe Australia and the Philippines and you might have a strong argument for breaking such a blockade. Would that start world war 3?

I don't know.

China is big but their military is soft

China better think twice before invading Taiwan

 

[JohnDB]

China is big but their military is soft

China better think twice before invading Taiwan

China military is kinda like Windows Vista...

Looks great until you have to use it.

 

[Mac-7]

China military is kinda like Windows Vista...

Looks great until you have to use it.

In china they talk about the spoiled Little Emporors

Because of the one child policy and the chinese preference for boys a lot of female infants were murdered by the family

Consequently the boys were doted on like little princes lack some of the personal characteristics that make good soldiers

Here in America we have the same problem with fatties who cant pass the military PT test

But in china the problem goes deeper

 

[JohnDB]

In china they talk about the spoiled Little Emporors

Because of the one child policy and the chinese preference for boys a lot of female infants were murdered by the family

Consequently the boys were doted on like little princes lack some of the personal characteristics that make good soldiers

Here in America we have the same problem with fatties who cant pass the military PT test

But in china the problem goes deeper

Hong Kong is in process of figuring out that they made a mistake. The slow cooking process is making their lives difficult one step at a time.
They originally were indifferent by the change in government. Now not so much. (UK control kinda sucks....just ask Israel about those years they were under UK control. India today? They still have not recovered from the abuses of the East India Trading Company)

But the money situation has begun to hurt. The Payday loan places were the first. Now its their mobile apps and they are under Social Credit score control. People have become homeless and jobless due to a variety of comedies of errors.

Just saying....totalitarian regimes suck.

 

[JoeB131]

You are just wishing is all.

"Money where your mouth is" ain't happening.

Indian money just went to USA dollars....not the BRICS new bank (which only exists in dreamland)

You are a very stupid man. check out this Chart. Indian Money is going to Russia and China. American money is going to India. They have a 45 Billion trade surplus with the US>

Modified says one thing and does another. There are no solidified agreements with BRICS except as a dream. CCP is broke financially.....so is Russia because war is expensive, cut out of international banking system, and nobody will trade with them.
(Their deals were always lousy to begin with)

"Modified"? Stop using spell check if you don't now how. Modi is very chumm with Putin and Xi, as shown by the above chart.

The business world has moved on. Nobody cares anymore about BRICS because it wont become a reality. You have two leeches at the top of the food chain with BRICS....nobody is going to put money into a system that two of the partners are looking to deplete the moment it exists.

Okay, if you need to tell yourself that. Point is when China had it's 80th anniversary celebration for the end of WWII, Putin and Modi and a bunch of other leaders came a calling.


Meanwhile, no one showed up for Trump's Fascist Birthday Parade.

 

[JohnDB]

You are a very stupid man. check out this Chart. Indian Money is going to Russia and China. American money is going to India. They have a 45 Billion trade surplus with the US>

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"Modified"? Stop using spell check if you don't now how. Modi is very chumm with Putin and Xi, as shown by the above chart.



Okay, if you need to tell yourself that. Point is when China had it's 80th anniversary celebration for the end of WWII, Putin and Modi and a bunch of other leaders came a calling.


Meanwhile, no one showed up for Trump's Fascist Birthday Parade.

GO SEE A DOCTOR.

 

[JoeB131]

GO SEE A DOCTOR.

Your concession is duly noted.

 

[Rogue AI]

What you don't seem to realize is China cannot afford to lose us as a customer. No way, no how! That is why they will keep talking a good game, while never doing a thing to upset the apple cart.

Our ships can control the southern sea lanes also. 5-inch rounds for the DDGs guns are fairly cheap for taking down cargo ships.

Afford? Hardly, China can withstand hardship better than we can. They have one thing we don't, tons of factories that can produce things others need. There is no shortage of countries that will buy from them no matter what we or the Eurotrash say.

Bowing to China and Russia?! This ain’t Ronnie’s GOP!

Hardly, I have been absolutely consistent in my view this country needs to end all long-term foreign entanglements. Taiwan is not our problem. We need to be neutral arbitrators not interventionist. Commerce is all that should drive our foreign endeavors. Fix our problems at home and lead by example, stop getting involved in the petty affairs of our lessers.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Afford? Hardly, China can withstand hardship better than we can. They have one thing we don't, tons of factories that can produce things others need. There is no shortage of countries that will buy from them no matter what we or the Eurotrash say.

How will they get their products to market if their ships can't leave the harbor for fear of being sunk?

Hardly, I have been absolutely consistent in my view this country needs to end all long-term foreign entanglements. Taiwan is not our problem. We need to be neutral arbitrators not interventionist. Commerce is all that should drive our foreign endeavors. Fix our problems at home and lead by example, stop getting involved in the petty affairs of our lessers.

Well, you are just wrong.

 

[Rogue AI]

How will they get their products to market if their ships can't leave the harbor for fear of being sunk?


Well, you are just wrong.

Try thinking, China does not own every ship that carries goods from China. Are we going to start blowing up Eurotrash ships? Not likely.

I am not wrong. Pay attention, with shifts in demographics this country is not a reliable ally for any foreign country. Neutrality is the only path forward. Just look at Ukraine and Israel. Cold War kooks still want war with Russia even when the issue is of no interest to the US. Likewise, there is a sizeable part of the country that supports terrorists over a sovereign country. Those rifts will continue to grow. Any given conflict that is not a direct attack on this nation will have significant push back from ever larger groups who would oppose US involvement. Stop being a Cold War relic, get into the present.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Try thinking, China does not own every ship that carries goods from China. Are we going to start blowing up Eurotrash ships? Not likely.

I am not wrong. Pay attention, with shifts in demographics this country is not a reliable ally for any foreign country. Neutrality is the only path forward. Just look at Ukraine and Israel. Cold War kooks still want war with Russia even when the issue is of no interest to the US. Likewise, there is a sizeable part of the country that supports terrorists over a sovereign country. Those rifts will continue to grow. Any given conflict that is not a direct attack on this nation will have significant push back from ever larger groups who would oppose US involvement. Stop being a Cold War relic, get into the present.

Eurotrash ships will not ignore the blockade. You seriously must be using some POS AI to come up with this illogical BS! Some of your posts ignore decades of history and simple facts.

 

[konradv]

Afford? Hardly, China can withstand hardship better than we can. They have one thing we don't, tons of factories that can produce things others need. There is no shortage of countries that will buy from them no matter what we or the Eurotrash say.
Hardly, I have been absolutely consistent in my view this country needs to end all long-term foreign entanglements. Taiwan is not our problem. We need to be neutral arbitrators not interventionist. Commerce is all that should drive our foreign endeavors. Fix our problems at home and lead by example, stop getting involved in the petty affairs of our lessers.

Commerce is the reason to back Taiwan. If China wins, top chip technology wold be theirs.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You are just wishing is all.

"Money where your mouth is" ain't happening.

Indian money just went to USA dollars....not the BRICS new bank (which only exists in dreamland)

Modified says one thing and does another. There are no solidified agreements with BRICS except as a dream. CCP is broke financially.....so is Russia because war is expensive, cut out of international banking system, and nobody will trade with them.
(Their deals were always lousy to begin with)

The business world has moved on. Nobody cares anymore about BRICS because it wont become a reality. You have two leeches at the top of the food chain with BRICS....nobody is going to put money into a system that two of the partners are looking to deplete the moment it exists.

I think that's massively short sighted.

I think Brics, or something similar, will happen.

The US is falling apart, as an international body Trump is helping turn people away from the US. So there's an opening. China is having to deal with a lot of stuff right now, India is growing rapidly.

They both need money, and money controls them, for now. But later.... 20 years ago China was nothing. Now it's a world player. 20 years is a lllllllllooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggg time.

 

[JoeB131]

Commerce is the reason to back Taiwan. If China wins, top chip technology wold be theirs.

No blood for Oil.
No blood for chips.

If we don't like being dependent on Taiwan for chips, we should start making them ourselves.

Now, during WWII, when the Japanese overran Southeast Asia, we found a substitute for rubber pretty quickly.

 

[Rogue AI]

Commerce is the reason to back Taiwan. If China wins, top chip technology wold be theirs.

And? Seems to a good reason to develop and manufacture our own. Reliance on any foreign power is weakness we cannot afford. Globalization has failed us.