"Systemic Racism" the Latest Leftist Lie

[JoeB131]

Laws on tougher penalties for crack were created by black law makers, because they were tired of black people being destroyed by drugs.

White people didn't do that. Black people, trying to stop the destruction of black people by drug, made those penalties tougher.

White lawmakers signed onto the disparity, and the Prison-Industrial complex was all for it.

We lock up people who need treatment, that's the problem here. Just because someone got it wrong 40 years ago, because they bought into the hype about Crack, doesn't mean we keep doing it.

Unless you are a Republican, where you keep following bad ideas no matter what.

 

[citygator]

Everyone here knows the problem. Most on this site couldn’t give a shit:

• Africa Americans were held in chains for hundreds of years
• They were freed legally from chains but received no remediation for being enslaved
• They were free in concept but relegated to second class citizenship by laws, practices, and treatment
• They were systemically kept out of certain class jobs that paid more for social acceptance reasons
• They were ineligible to attend most universities until the 1960’s
• They were segregated into neighborhoods systemically by the local governments flaunting the Buchanan v. Warley decision which made racial zoning illegal
• They were redlined from obtaining insurance for mortgages around AA neighborhoods
• They were convicted at higher rates than white defendants and received longer sentences.
• They live in significantly less affluent areas which have significantly lower funding for schools
• They live in a society that has not been color blind around hiring and promotion decisions - even if you argue recent advancement has lessened the gap

That is a partial list. Most of you will say that you don’t discriminate so people should get over history. While there are plenty of examples of social movement In the US (way less than you think though) the fact is that your ending point is highly correlated to your starting point in this nation and with gusting headwinds for hundreds of years and dozens of generations statistical certainty of poverty is a statistical certainty.

Admitting that a class of people have immense systemic barriers to success doesn’t mean your path was easy. That’s what most of you fear. That you will suffer if another group benefits or that somehow your situation is more valid than that of a black American. I understand the psychology of it but remediation of this situation is the only thing which will allow us to move forward.

 

[Zorro!]

Osama bin Laden’s niece says only Trump can prevent another 9/11

Yes, she's his niece, but it's an extended family and it's not clear if she ever met him. What jumped out at me was this quote:

“I have not had a single bad experience with Americans despite the name that I carry. On the contrary, I was overwhelmed by their kindness and understanding

If Noor Bin Laden can travel to America and come away talking about how kind everyone is, then you know this so-called “systemic racism” is a load of crap.

 

[Andylusion]

Laws on tougher penalties for crack were created by black law makers, because they were tired of black people being destroyed by drugs.

White people didn't do that. Black people, trying to stop the destruction of black people by drug, made those penalties tougher.

White lawmakers signed onto the disparity, and the Prison-Industrial complex was all for it.

We lock up people who need treatment, that's the problem here. Just because someone got it wrong 40 years ago, because they bought into the hype about Crack, doesn't mean we keep doing it.

Unless you are a Republican, where you keep following bad ideas no matter what.

Do you support putting people who commit crime, into prison? Yes or no?

If yes... then what you said doesn't matter.

If no... then you are evil, and we need to defeat people like you.

There are no people in prison, who didn't commit crimes.

So that whole "prison-industrial complex" doesn't matter does it?

And I don't understand what you mean by we lock up people who need treatment. If they commit crimes.... which they did.... you are saying we shouldn't lock them up?

Yeah, what if it was your daughter raped by this person who "needs treatment"..... ? Still not going to lock them up? Brilliant. Look at California. Working wonders, your line of bad thinking.

You complain that Republicans follow bad ideas no matter what... and yet WE SEE.... WE ALL SEE... how your ideas don't work.

Where would you point to, what left-wing city would you cite, that has followed your Democrat/Socialist ideology on crime and prison... that is in your opinion, an example to follow?

Mugshot released of suspect in attack of woman outside San Francisco apartment building

We are getting a first look at the man accused of attacking a woman outside her San Francisco apartment building. Austin James Vincent was taken into custody after a terrifying incident.

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Hey look! They didn't send him to prison! Good job! Even the police say they want to post guards, and left-wing groups want to oppose it.

So do tell... I'd love to here the places that do not send people who commit felonies and other violent offenses to prison... but instead give them "treatment".... treatment that does not involve locking them up.... right? and where has that worked. Can't wait for your endless examples of success you have.

 

[JoeB131]

Do you support putting people who commit crime, into prison? Yes or no?

If yes... then what you said doesn't matter.

If no... then you are evil, and we need to defeat people like you.

There are no people in prison, who didn't commit crimes.

Are you some kind of high functioning retard? The problem is we put people in prison for petty offenses we shouldn't. We lock up 2 million people, we have another 7 million on Probation or Parole... Most of them for non-violent crimes.

And I don't understand what you mean by we lock up people who need treatment. If they commit crimes.... which they did.... you are saying we shouldn't lock them up?

Yeah, what if it was your daughter raped by this person who "needs treatment"..... ? Still not going to lock them up? Brilliant. Look at California. Working wonders, your line of bad thinking.

Hey, Corky, we aren't talking about "rapists"... If we just locked up the murderers and rapists, we'd only have 200,000 people in prison, not 2 million.

I'm talking about drug abusers and property crimes... those shouldn't be in jail. (And if your white and you can afford a good lawyer, you usually don't end up in jail for such things.)

 

[TexasT]

Like the post office and the DMV?

Not sure what your weird obsession with those two are. Frankly, I've never had an issue with either.

It's no weird obsession.
You walk into any of them here in Texas and everyone is black.
I wont say without exception but damn near.
And who do you think the bosses are?
It's kind of an on going joke in Texas.

That's funny...I've been ALL over Texas my entire life and nothing could be farther from the truth.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Like the post office and the DMV?

Not sure what your weird obsession with those two are. Frankly, I've never had an issue with either.

It's no weird obsession.
You walk into any of them here in Texas and everyone is black.
I wont say without exception but damn near.
And who do you think the bosses are?
It's kind of an on going joke in Texas.

That's funny...I've been ALL over Texas my entire life and nothing could be farther from the truth.

Where in Texas?
I'm not referring to podunk towns.

 

[Andylusion]

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Do you support putting people who commit crime, into prison? Yes or no?

If yes... then what you said doesn't matter.

If no... then you are evil, and we need to defeat people like you.

There are no people in prison, who didn't commit crimes.

Are you some kind of high functioning retard? The problem is we put people in prison for petty offenses we shouldn't. We lock up 2 million people, we have another 7 million on Probation or Parole... Most of them for non-violent crimes.

And I don't understand what you mean by we lock up people who need treatment. If they commit crimes.... which they did.... you are saying we shouldn't lock them up?

Yeah, what if it was your daughter raped by this person who "needs treatment"..... ? Still not going to lock them up? Brilliant. Look at California. Working wonders, your line of bad thinking.

Hey, Corky, we aren't talking about "rapists"... If we just locked up the murderers and rapists, we'd only have 200,000 people in prison, not 2 million.

I'm talking about drug abusers and property crimes... those shouldn't be in jail. (And if your white and you can afford a good lawyer, you usually don't end up in jail for such things.)

Really.....

How about we look at facts, over opinion? How about that?

The guy in the video from the previous post, didn't murder or rape.... So according to you, he shouldn't be put in prison for assaulting that lady?

More than half of all State prison inmates are violent offenders. Assault, manslaughter, murder, rape, and other violent actions.

That's not 200,000. That's 713,000. Or half the population. Once again, facts destroy left-wing mythology.

That doesn't include the other 200,000 violent criminals that were caught, but haven't been... or just recently were convicted, in local jails.

913,000 violent criminals. In order to get down to your made up 200,000 number, we would have to release into the population 700,000 violent criminals. And this doesn't surprise me, since this is the pure idiotic stupidity that the left-wing fools have been pushing for decades now. You are just the latest parrot of the incompetence.

But your stupidity doesn't end there.

Because I wager if I push you on this, you will still claim that all those non-violent offenders shouldn't be in prison.

Do you really believe that Mr JoeB? Do you? Do you really believe that non-violent offenders shouldn't be in prison?

I would love to wait to hear your answer to that, but I know you wouldn't answer, because you can clearly see this is a trap.

Mr. Potter Republicans

I've joked in the past that the problem with the Modern Conservative/Republican movement is that it watches It's a Wonderful Life" and cheers for Mr. Potter. Then holy shit... SOMEONE ACTUALLY DID IT! Yup, from Real Clear Markets...

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I could cite dozens of your posts I'm sure, but this one will do. From December 2018 Quote:

"Except the Potters where the ones who collapsed the banking system by selling the bad mortgages as investments... and not a one of them went to prison."

Not one of these non-violent offenders went to prison..... and that's a problem because?

Do you believe that Jeffery Skilling, the CEO of Enron, should have gone to prison? Non-violent. Entirely non-violent crime.

So do you actually believe that non-violent criminals shouldn't go to prisons? Or is that only a rule when it's someone you don't know, who did something you don't know?

And when you do know... then it's a prison worthy offense! Send those bankers to prison! Keep set non-violent offenders free!

Contradiction after contradiction.... The halmark of the left-wing ideology.

Non-violent weapons charges for example. Are you in favor of people who buy or own illegal weapons, being sent to prison? Or should they be set free?

Non-violent. No one was raped or murdered, which you said if we only had those people in prison, the population would be much lower. That implies you want gun smugglers freed from prison.... right? That's what you are in favor of, correct?

You won't answer that, because you can't, and you know it.

 

[DBA]

Like the post office and the DMV?

Not sure what your weird obsession with those two are. Frankly, I've never had an issue with either.

It's no weird obsession.
You walk into any of them here in Texas and everyone is black.
I wont say without exception but damn near.
And who do you think the bosses are?
It's kind of an on going joke in Texas.

That's funny...I've been ALL over Texas my entire life and nothing could be farther from the truth.

Certainly true in my state as well. I don't really care, but it is rather obvious that the DMV, at least the public facing side, is making a concerted effort to hire African Americans.

 

[MizMolly]

Systemic racism is actually very much a fact and has been mandated by law for decades, now.

It is called "affirmative action".

Affirmative Action only exists because white people make all the decisions about hiring.

So here's an idea. Instead of requiring all positions to take race into account, just make sure that all HR and Managers are people of color.

The problem of inequality will sort itself out.

Of course, the biggest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action have been white women, not people of color.

That is a myth. White women are not.

 

[Andylusion]

Like the post office and the DMV?

Not sure what your weird obsession with those two are. Frankly, I've never had an issue with either.

It's no weird obsession.
You walk into any of them here in Texas and everyone is black.
I wont say without exception but damn near.
And who do you think the bosses are?
It's kind of an on going joke in Texas.

That's funny...I've been ALL over Texas my entire life and nothing could be farther from the truth.

Certainly true in my state as well. I don't really care, but it is rather obvious that the DMV, at least the public facing side, is making a concerted effort to hire African Americans.

Same here in Ohio. It's well known that you have a higher chance of being hired by either, if you are of a certain politically connected group.

Now obviously in places where they are almost all white, they have to hire who is available. But here in my town which is well mixed, yeah, you are have a way higher chance of being hired if you are part of the politically preferred group. I've heard that from everyone in the BMV and post office.

 

[Gdjjr]

Can I ask all you really informed and smart people to broaden your horizons?

A Couple of Good Anecdotal stories.

My Career as a White Police Officer Mr. Vinyard has been a police officer for almost 30 years. He has worked SWAT, gone undercover as a narcotics detective, and been a street-crimes officer and gang officer. I encourage reading comment number 8 after reading the article. The comment...

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The article linked gives a first hand account of being a cop- and comment No.8 from the comments section gives a first hand account about being a teacher in a mostly black school- neither story, cop or teacher, is very flattering to know it alls though. Keep it in mind.

 

[JoeB131]

Really.....

How about we look at facts, over opinion? How about that?

Uh, your graph proves my point. Only about 10% are there for Rape and Murder.. Simple assault, meh, don't really care that much. White people get probation, black people get jail to feed the Prison Industrial Complex.

913,000 violent criminals. In order to get down to your made up 200,000 number, we would have to release into the population 700,000 violent criminals. And this doesn't surprise me, since this is the pure idiotic stupidity that the left-wing fools have been pushing for decades now. You are just the latest parrot of the incompetence.

Right. Just lock up the rapists (the real rapists, not some bullshit "Statutory rape" charge because little Sally is a slut) and the murderers, and you get down to maybe about 200,000 who should be in prison.

I could cite dozens of your posts I'm sure, but this one will do. From December 2018 Quote:

Wow, did you actually waste your time going through all my posts for the last two years trying to find something you could take out of context. Because it kind of proves my point. Some rich guy collapses the whole fucking economic system, ruins people's economic livelihoods, and they don't go to jail, but some kid who holds up the local liquor store for $50.00 needs to go to prison for years to feed the Prison Industrial Complex.

 

[JoeB131]

That is a myth. White women are not.

Uh, yeah, they are.

White women benefit most from affirmative action — and are among its fiercest opponents

The willingness to erase white women from the story of affirmative action is part of the problem.

www.vox.com

 

[ninja007]

Laws on tougher penalties for crack were created by black law makers, because they were tired of black people being destroyed by drugs.

White people didn't do that. Black people, trying to stop the destruction of black people by drug, made those penalties tougher.

White lawmakers signed onto the disparity, and the Prison-Industrial complex was all for it.

We lock up people who need treatment, that's the problem here. Just because someone got it wrong 40 years ago, because they bought into the hype about Crack, doesn't mean we keep doing it.

Unless you are a Republican, where you keep following bad ideas no matter what.

THAT WOULDA BEEN BILL CLINTON....

 

[JoeB131]

THAT WOULDA BEEN BILL CLINTON....

Are you some kind of highly evolved retard? It really doesn't matter who signed it, it's still a bad idea.

 

[AveryJarhman]

Have you noticed people beefing about Systemic Racism impeding African Americans from achieving success, are the very same people berating & bullying accomplished American citizens of African descent who've become successful?

What's up, jealousy, mental illness or some other factor?

Peace

 

[MizMolly]

That is a myth. White women are not.

Uh, yeah, they are.

White women benefit most from affirmative action — and are among its fiercest opponents

The willingness to erase white women from the story of affirmative action is part of the problem.

www.vox.com

Proof?

 

[Andylusion]

Really.....

How about we look at facts, over opinion? How about that?

Uh, your graph proves my point. Only about 10% are there for Rape and Murder.. Simple assault, meh, don't really care that much. White people get probation, black people get jail to feed the Prison Industrial Complex.

913,000 violent criminals. In order to get down to your made up 200,000 number, we would have to release into the population 700,000 violent criminals. And this doesn't surprise me, since this is the pure idiotic stupidity that the left-wing fools have been pushing for decades now. You are just the latest parrot of the incompetence.

Right. Just lock up the rapists (the real rapists, not some bullshit "Statutory rape" charge because little Sally is a slut) and the murderers, and you get down to maybe about 200,000 who should be in prison.

I could cite dozens of your posts I'm sure, but this one will do. From December 2018 Quote:

Wow, did you actually waste your time going through all my posts for the last two years trying to find something you could take out of context. Because it kind of proves my point. Some rich guy collapses the whole fucking economic system, ruins people's economic livelihoods, and they don't go to jail, but some kid who holds up the local liquor store for $50.00 needs to go to prison for years to feed the Prison Industrial Complex.

Uh, your graph proves my point. Only about 10% are there for Rape and Murder.. Simple assault, meh, don't really care that much. White people get probation, black people get jail to feed the Prison Industrial Complex.

Uh, you said there would only be 200,000. With rape and murder alone, that's 300,000.

Proves your point, only if you can't do basic math, like a public school student.

Second, I posted a link of a man directly assaulting a woman. You claimed that you were not talking about violent people. Here again, you are suggesting that only rapists and murderers should be sent to prison.

SO..... based on your comments, you are saying that man in the video I linked that was directly attacking a woman.... should be released? What should happen to him? He likely has no money, so it's not like you can fine him.

Either criminals should be in prison, or they should not. Which is it? Because if you claim only rapists and murderers should be in prison, then you are saying nothing should happen to that guy that attacked that woman.

Third, there is zero evidence that white people get probation, and black people go to jail to feed the prison industrial complex.

No evidence that two people with identical criminal histories, and identical situations, end up with entirely different sentences. None. Provide your evidence that identical criminals get different results based purely on skin.

Right. Just lock up the rapists (the real rapists, not some bullshit "Statutory rape" charge because little Sally is a slut) and the murderers, and you get down to maybe about 200,000 who should be in prison.

I am in fact, somewhat sympathetic to view that what is defined as rape needs to be evaluated more carefully.

Better though, would be to not have girls hanging out with guys, that they are not married to. It's baffling how many women end up getting raped in their own home, or in the guys home, as if going someone with a guy alone, by yourself, and acting shocked by what happens.

Except that they have been taught this by left-wing stupidity... with idiotic fools who don't believe there should be any standards for moral conduct, and then complain there are not standards for moral conduct.

That said, most people who do not commit violent rape, are put on probation or paroled. That numbers that I've seen suggest there are 2 people on probation or prole for every one that is in prison.

Seems reasonable to me.

Wow, did you actually waste your time going through all my posts for the last two years trying to find something you could take out of context. Because it kind of proves my point. Some rich guy collapses the whole fucking economic system, ruins people's economic livelihoods, and they don't go to jail, but some kid who holds up the local liquor store for $50.00 needs to go to prison for years to feed the Prison Industrial Complex.

Sure, of course I did. And there was nothing taken out of context. You actually just validated my entire point with this post here.

You are claiming that a kid who shoves a gun in someones face, and could kill a person, should not go to prison... but a banker who harmed no one anywhere.... should.

You just blew up your own position that only rapists and murders should be in prison.

You really think if I threatened your life, or the life of your family, and could have killed your wife or daughter, or yourself.....

You would say nothing should happen to me? After all, I didn't rape, nor did I murder.... yeah I came close, yeah I could have killed the people you love most in life, in front of you... yeah I could have ruined your entire life violently.... but but I didn't.... so you can't touch me?

But a banker.... who harmed no one... that guy should go to prison? For nothing?

Or are you suggesting that the loss of your personal money is considered violence? And therefore the banker should go to prison? Because if you take money from my store... then that's violence, and that kid wanting $50 should go to prison too.

You can't logically make a point. You are contradicting your own position in every post.

 

[Andylusion]

THAT WOULDA BEEN BILL CLINTON....

Are you some kind of highly evolved retard? It really doesn't matter who signed it, it's still a bad idea.

The reason those laws were past, was black people got tired of black communities being destroyed by drugs.

Basically, your view is.... you support black communities being destroyed by drugs, because to stop it is racists?

Again, you blew up your own position.