Swiss Region Bans Burqas

[PaintMyHouse]

You seem to be missing the point. You have the freedom to hide your face, as long as you don't do it the way Muslim women do...

Halloween, stage and screen costumes for work and special occasions but not everyday. If stopped or questioned there is no protection and the make-up and masks have to be removed.

The law doesn't say that, not does it? it bans what Muslim women wear, and nothing else...

So, a jewish man could wear a burqua ?

Nope, even though Jewish women wear the same kind of thing at times. The clothing of only one religion is banned.

Your statement is contradictory.

Can a Jewish man wear a burka ? You said no.

That means this isn't specific to religion.

The garment is specific to a religion. If they banned kippahs a Muslim man couldn't wear one either but it's an item worn mainly by Jews, and it's a choice...

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Naked at home, sure thing, but clothed in public, nope, not if you're a Muslim that is. If you want to look like Anonymous, knock yourself out.

No security risk there eh, just normal folks on their way to work...

Anyone with their face covered, apart from police/swat should show their face at security points and when asked by police.

Masks are a gimmick not permanent requirement. There is a time and place for them, but not to hide their whole lives.

Masks are legal there, but not the expression of piety for Muslim women. And, it's only for Muslim women...

Burkas are not a requirement of faith or piety, they are cultural costumes and not protected under religious freedom. There are many ways to dress modestly that does not require being a security risk. When there is a threat, security trump personal costume. When a costume or clothing is disruptive, dangerous or interferes with work and uniform requirements there is not protect or exemption for such clothing as a burka. Off work, in the mosque or at home it can be worn. In places with high security and frequent searches it has no place.

The men above can walk around all day, in their masks, and they are perfectly legal to do so but this woman cannot wear this as an expression of faith?

Please explain?

till they are asked to remove the mask. Can't walk into many places with a mask on.

Since masks are not banned, especially in public, name them? Why can I wear a mask in public but not the garment above?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Another choice, easily banned: Christians have no right to wear cross at work, says Government

 

[aris2chat]

Swiss Region Imposes $9,800 Fines On Burqas, Aims At ‘Islamist Fundamentalists’

"Those who rebuff our values and aim to build a parallel society based on religious laws, and want to place it over our society, are not welcome."

Swiss Region Imposes $9,800 Fines On Burqas, Aims At ‘Islamist Fundamentalists’

No freedom of religion there eh? So be it.

Burkas are not a requirement of Islam or the quran.

No reason for it not to banned.

Where is the requirement for Christians to wear a cross around their necks, Jews to cover their hair with a Kippah? Where does either faith require their believers to read the holy books? Can they not ban all three things? They aren't required, right?

Like Saudi bans any show of other faiths and bibles in their country?

Why shouldn't france or western countries not ban burkas? Too many terrorist (men) have escaped under a burka. Too many weapons have been smuggled and transported under a burka. There are valid security reason for banning them.
Even a hijab might hide some distinguishing feature or an adam's apple. If ask to remove, it should be required to do so. They can put it back on afterwards if there is no objection.

Devout Muslims women are not allowed to show their faces to men unrelated to them. It's part of the faith.

It is cultural not religious. To think that it is a religious requirement is in error. If you believe it is required you don't know Islam or the quran.

Devout muslims woman around the world don't wear the burka, the majority have never worn nor would wear a burka. Not all muslim women even wear a hijab.

The idea if a requirement is false. It is required in certain countries because of culture not religion. Beyond those few countries it is a private choice.

 

[aris2chat]

Another choice, easily banned: Christians have no right to wear cross at work, says Government

stick it their shirt or remove it

 

[PaintMyHouse]

No freedom of religion there eh? So be it.

Burkas are not a requirement of Islam or the quran.

No reason for it not to banned.

Where is the requirement for Christians to wear a cross around their necks, Jews to cover their hair with a Kippah? Where does either faith require their believers to read the holy books? Can they not ban all three things? They aren't required, right?

Like Saudi bans any show of other faiths and bibles in their country?

Why shouldn't france or western countries not ban burkas? Too many terrorist (men) have escaped under a burka. Too many weapons have been smuggled and transported under a burka. There are valid security reason for banning them.
Even a hijab might hide some distinguishing feature or an adam's apple. If ask to remove, it should be required to do so. They can put it back on afterwards if there is no objection.

Devout Muslims women are not allowed to show their faces to men unrelated to them. It's part of the faith.

It is cultural not religious. To think that it is a religious requirement is in error. If you believe it is required you don't know Islam or the quran.

Devout muslims woman around the world don't wear the burka, the majority have never worn nor would wear a burka. Not all muslim women even wear a hijab.

The idea if a requirement is false. It is required in certain countries because of culture not religion. Beyond those few countries it is a private choice.

It doesn't matter whether it is a choice or not. It's a choice banned for just one religion. And it can't be a security issue because anyone can mask their identity, which isn't banned, just these garments, which Muslim women wear. That, little friend, is religious discrimination without a rational basis.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Another choice, easily banned: Christians have no right to wear cross at work, says Government

stick it their shirt or remove it

Got it, but the Christians never will. You just told them to take their act of faith, and shove it.

According to you, if it's a choice, we can ban it. Male circumcision though the wearing of a religious garment...

 

[PaintMyHouse]

First they came for the Socialists (Muslims), and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist (Muslim).

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[aris2chat]

Winter in Minnesota, North Dakota and Alaska there are good reason for hoodies and face socks, but not in florida in the summer.

Indoors there is not reason to be covered and unrecognizable. In harsh weather it is protection from frostbite.

You seem to be missing the point. You have the freedom to hide your face, as long as you don't do it the way Muslim women do...

Halloween, stage and screen costumes for work and special occasions but not everyday. If stopped or questioned there is no protection and the make-up and masks have to be removed.

The law doesn't say that, not does it? it bans what Muslim women wear, and nothing else...

Most places around the world have a requirement to remove masks, helmets and face coverings on demand by police or security.

There are only a handful of countries that require a woman to wear such clothing but even other countries in the muslims world can require proof of identification and for the face to be revealed, at least to a female officer. Many of those countries used to ban the burka and even the hijab in public buildings, schools, many government offices, etc.

Burka is a choice not a requirement

Bibles are a choice, crosses around the neck a choice, being a nun a choice, dressing like a Jew a choice, religion a choice. Shall we just ban anything that makes life difficult for us, if it's a "choice"?

In some jobs and areas, yes. There is no right or protection for a women to wear pants or a man to wear boots, and in many cases it is not part of a work uniform. If you cannot comply with the requirements of the job, find an other place to work. If a job requires you to wear steel toed shoes, you don't show up to work in stappy 5 inch heals. If you work in a factory you don't sow up to work in flowing chiffon. If yo are required to cover your hair in a net, you don't wear some fancy 12 inch plus hair doo with feathers and flowers. If you are required to wear khaki pants you don't go to work in hot pants that leave nothing to the imagination.

There is not requirement for a woman outside a few counties to wear burka.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You seem to be missing the point. You have the freedom to hide your face, as long as you don't do it the way Muslim women do...

Halloween, stage and screen costumes for work and special occasions but not everyday. If stopped or questioned there is no protection and the make-up and masks have to be removed.

The law doesn't say that, not does it? it bans what Muslim women wear, and nothing else...

Most places around the world have a requirement to remove masks, helmets and face coverings on demand by police or security.

There are only a handful of countries that require a woman to wear such clothing but even other countries in the muslims world can require proof of identification and for the face to be revealed, at least to a female officer. Many of those countries used to ban the burka and even the hijab in public buildings, schools, many government offices, etc.

Burka is a choice not a requirement

Bibles are a choice, crosses around the neck a choice, being a nun a choice, dressing like a Jew a choice, religion a choice. Shall we just ban anything that makes life difficult for us, if it's a "choice"?

In some jobs and areas, yes. There is no right or protection for a women to wear pants or a man to wear boots, and in many cases it is not part of a work uniform. If you cannot comply with the requirements of the job, find an other place to work. If a job requires you to wear steel toed shoes, you don't show up to work in stappy 5 inch heals. If you work in a factory you don't sow up to work in flowing chiffon. If yo are required to cover your hair in a net, you don't wear some fancy 12 inch plus hair doo with feathers and flowers. If you are required to wear khaki pants you don't go to work in hot pants that leave nothing to the imagination.

There is not requirement for a woman outside a few counties to wear burka.

It is an expression of faith specific to one faith. It matters not a damn that it's a choice, all religion is therefore, according to your logic, all religion or aspects of religion can be banned, just because...

 

[aris2chat]

Another choice, easily banned: Christians have no right to wear cross at work, says Government

stick it their shirt or remove it

Got it, but the Christians never will. You just told them to take their act of faith, and shove it.

According to you, if it's a choice, we can ban it. Male circumcision though the wearing of a religious garment...

till they are off work, yes

Many jobs require the removal of metal, jewelry and even wedding rings. If a cross or other religious object is not allowed to be visible, tuck in your shirt or remove it.

Nothing says a christian must wear a cross at all times or ever.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Another choice, easily banned: Christians have no right to wear cross at work, says Government

stick it their shirt or remove it

Got it, but the Christians never will. You just told them to take their act of faith, and shove it.

According to you, if it's a choice, we can ban it. Male circumcision though the wearing of a religious garment...

till they are off work, yes

Many jobs require the removal of metal, jewelry and even wedding rings. If a cross or other religious object is not allowed to be visible, tuck in your shirt or remove it.

Nothing says a christian must wear a cross at all times or ever.

I am well aware of that, but they aren't banned in public now are they, not like the garments devout Muslim women wear. And this ban, applies only to what they wear. Others can hide as they like as long as it isn't under said garments, Muslim garments...

 

[aris2chat]

Swiss Region Imposes $9,800 Fines On Burqas, Aims At ‘Islamist Fundamentalists’

"Those who rebuff our values and aim to build a parallel society based on religious laws, and want to place it over our society, are not welcome."

Swiss Region Imposes $9,800 Fines On Burqas, Aims At ‘Islamist Fundamentalists’

No freedom of religion there eh? So be it.

Burkas are not a requirement of Islam or the quran.

No reason for it not to banned.

Where is the requirement for Christians to wear a cross around their necks, Jews to cover their hair with a Kippah? Where does either faith require their believers to read the holy books? Can they not ban all three things? They aren't required, right?

Like Saudi bans any show of other faiths and bibles in their country?

Why shouldn't france or western countries not ban burkas? Too many terrorist (men) have escaped under a burka. Too many weapons have been smuggled and transported under a burka. There are valid security reason for banning them.
Even a hijab might hide some distinguishing feature or an adam's apple. If ask to remove, it should be required to do so. They can put it back on afterwards if there is no objection.

Devout Muslims women are not allowed to show their faces to men unrelated to them. It's part of the faith.

It is cultural not a religious requirement. Many devout women around the world don't have their face or even their hair covered.

Not all saudi women cover their face.

Who ever taught you about islam didn't know what they were taking about. Even countries that require the body and head to be covered don't require the face to be covered. Some men and families might require it, but it is not a requirement of islam. The naked breast is to be covered during prayer.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

It is cultural not a religious requirement. Many devout women around the world don't have their face or even their hair covered.

It doesn't matter. How many times do I have to say that?

Wearing a cross is optional. so let's ban it. Reading the Bible is optional, so let's ban it. Being a Christian is optional, so let's ban it.

 

[aris2chat]

Anyone with their face covered, apart from police/swat should show their face at security points and when asked by police.

Masks are a gimmick not permanent requirement. There is a time and place for them, but not to hide their whole lives.

Masks are legal there, but not the expression of piety for Muslim women. And, it's only for Muslim women...

Burkas are not a requirement of faith or piety, they are cultural costumes and not protected under religious freedom. There are many ways to dress modestly that does not require being a security risk. When there is a threat, security trump personal costume. When a costume or clothing is disruptive, dangerous or interferes with work and uniform requirements there is not protect or exemption for such clothing as a burka. Off work, in the mosque or at home it can be worn. In places with high security and frequent searches it has no place.

The men above can walk around all day, in their masks, and they are perfectly legal to do so but this woman cannot wear this as an expression of faith?

Please explain?

Are you so sure that is a woman and a muslim? She covers her her face but is not wearing gloves.

This is also a picture from the UK, not france or switzerland

The swiss choose to ban the burka by an overwhelming popular vote. If a muslim objects they are free to pay the $10,000 fine or leave

The burka is not a requirement of faith. No reason a woman must wear it in the west or most of the world.

So if the majority want to ban the kippah or the Bible, it's all good.?

In public or at certain job, yes. If someone was carrying a bible and security or police tell you to open it, you should be required to do so.
There is not protecting to carry a bible or to proselytize at work if you don't work in a church. Read on your own time.

If your job and religion conflict, find a new line of work. Even people that a permit to carry a gun will find places where it is not permitted.

You have a right to your faith in church and in private. You don't have a right to shove it in peoples faces.

 

[aris2chat]

Another choice, easily banned: Christians have no right to wear cross at work, says Government

stick it their shirt or remove it

Got it, but the Christians never will. You just told them to take their act of faith, and shove it.

According to you, if it's a choice, we can ban it. Male circumcision though the wearing of a religious garment...

Though practiced in some religions, any one of any faith or culture can be circumcised. Many are circumcised for health reason, or for vanity.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Another choice, easily banned: Christians have no right to wear cross at work, says Government

stick it their shirt or remove it

Got it, but the Christians never will. You just told them to take their act of faith, and shove it.

According to you, if it's a choice, we can ban it. Male circumcision though the wearing of a religious garment...

Though practiced in some religions, any one of any faith or culture can be circumcised. Many are circumcised for health reason, or for vanity.

You are still seeing the tress, not the forest. You are comfortable allowing the government to ban religious practice, and while that can be done, that is a place that angels fear to tread, but not you, as long as it's only the Muslims that take the hit...

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Masks are legal there, but not the expression of piety for Muslim women. And, it's only for Muslim women...

Burkas are not a requirement of faith or piety, they are cultural costumes and not protected under religious freedom. There are many ways to dress modestly that does not require being a security risk. When there is a threat, security trump personal costume. When a costume or clothing is disruptive, dangerous or interferes with work and uniform requirements there is not protect or exemption for such clothing as a burka. Off work, in the mosque or at home it can be worn. In places with high security and frequent searches it has no place.

The men above can walk around all day, in their masks, and they are perfectly legal to do so but this woman cannot wear this as an expression of faith?

Please explain?

Are you so sure that is a woman and a muslim? She covers her her face but is not wearing gloves.

This is also a picture from the UK, not france or switzerland

The swiss choose to ban the burka by an overwhelming popular vote. If a muslim objects they are free to pay the $10,000 fine or leave

The burka is not a requirement of faith. No reason a woman must wear it in the west or most of the world.

So if the majority want to ban the kippah or the Bible, it's all good.?

In public or at certain job, yes. If someone was carrying a bible and security or police tell you to open it, you should be required to do so.
There is not protecting to carry a bible or to proselytize at work if you don't work in a church. Read on your own time.

If your job and religion conflict, find a new line of work. Even people that a permit to carry a gun will find places where it is not permitted.

You have a right to your faith in church and in private. You don't have a right to shove it in peoples faces.

You misunderstand. This is banning the Bible, in public, period, like these Muslim garments. That is what you are approving of since the Bible, and reading it, are optional.

 

[aris2chat]

Halloween, stage and screen costumes for work and special occasions but not everyday. If stopped or questioned there is no protection and the make-up and masks have to be removed.

The law doesn't say that, not does it? it bans what Muslim women wear, and nothing else...

Most places around the world have a requirement to remove masks, helmets and face coverings on demand by police or security.

There are only a handful of countries that require a woman to wear such clothing but even other countries in the muslims world can require proof of identification and for the face to be revealed, at least to a female officer. Many of those countries used to ban the burka and even the hijab in public buildings, schools, many government offices, etc.

Burka is a choice not a requirement

Bibles are a choice, crosses around the neck a choice, being a nun a choice, dressing like a Jew a choice, religion a choice. Shall we just ban anything that makes life difficult for us, if it's a "choice"?

In some jobs and areas, yes. There is no right or protection for a women to wear pants or a man to wear boots, and in many cases it is not part of a work uniform. If you cannot comply with the requirements of the job, find an other place to work. If a job requires you to wear steel toed shoes, you don't show up to work in stappy 5 inch heals. If you work in a factory you don't sow up to work in flowing chiffon. If yo are required to cover your hair in a net, you don't wear some fancy 12 inch plus hair doo with feathers and flowers. If you are required to wear khaki pants you don't go to work in hot pants that leave nothing to the imagination.

There is not requirement for a woman outside a few counties to wear burka.

It is an expression of faith specific to one faith. It matters not a damn that it's a choice, all religion is therefore, according to your logic, all religion or aspects of religion can be banned, just because...

You can choose to wear a dress, but it is not a protected right to wear a dress in many jobs or public places if it posses a risk. Even changing gender does not give you the right to wear a dress if there is a uniform or everyone, male or female is required to wear pants.

There is no protection or requirement to wear a burka, it is private choice and in some place not permitted. Can you imagine working in a nuclear plant, a factory or trying to perform surgery wearing a burka? Can't drive a bus or fly a plane. Can't work in food service. If you don't like it find an other job.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The law doesn't say that, not does it? it bans what Muslim women wear, and nothing else...

Most places around the world have a requirement to remove masks, helmets and face coverings on demand by police or security.

There are only a handful of countries that require a woman to wear such clothing but even other countries in the muslims world can require proof of identification and for the face to be revealed, at least to a female officer. Many of those countries used to ban the burka and even the hijab in public buildings, schools, many government offices, etc.

Burka is a choice not a requirement

Bibles are a choice, crosses around the neck a choice, being a nun a choice, dressing like a Jew a choice, religion a choice. Shall we just ban anything that makes life difficult for us, if it's a "choice"?

In some jobs and areas, yes. There is no right or protection for a women to wear pants or a man to wear boots, and in many cases it is not part of a work uniform. If you cannot comply with the requirements of the job, find an other place to work. If a job requires you to wear steel toed shoes, you don't show up to work in stappy 5 inch heals. If you work in a factory you don't sow up to work in flowing chiffon. If yo are required to cover your hair in a net, you don't wear some fancy 12 inch plus hair doo with feathers and flowers. If you are required to wear khaki pants you don't go to work in hot pants that leave nothing to the imagination.

There is not requirement for a woman outside a few counties to wear burka.

It is an expression of faith specific to one faith. It matters not a damn that it's a choice, all religion is therefore, according to your logic, all religion or aspects of religion can be banned, just because...

You can choose to wear a dress, but it is not a protected right to wear a dress in many jobs or public places if it posses a risk. Even changing gender does not give you the right to wear a dress if there is a uniform or everyone, male or female is required to wear pants.

There is no protection or requirement to wear a burka, it is private choice and in some place not permitted. Can you imagine working in a nuclear plant, a factory or trying to perform surgery wearing a burka? Can't drive a bus or fly a plane. Can't work in food service. If you don't like it find an other job.

Why can you not understand that this is banning a garment specific to a religion? If that can be done for one it can be done for all, and not just garments, but books, and places of worship, and all the rest. Religion is a choice, and you are perfectly fine with banning choices even though they only apply to the garments of one faith. Once you start down that road lots of doors open, and all hell tends to break loose.