"Swatting" prank turns deadly..............

[ABikerSailor]

It is really difficult to move your arms at all without getting a hand near the waistband, even if you are trying to put your hands up. People don't think that simply moving an arm will get them shot.

No, it is not! When they tell you to put your hands up, you don't reach for your waistband with one hand! Very simple.

That assumes he did something wrong. If not, the police officer needs to be charged.

When you put your hands up, they pass the waistband, unless you extend them outward, but who would think of that.

That is not an attempt to reach for your waistband. Usually one reaches with one hand, not two, to retrieve a weapon.

Unless the man was completely clueless, he should not have acted ib that way. Who knows? Maybe the cop overreacted. It wouldn't be the first time and I am sure it won't be the last.

Judging by the report indicating that only he fired his weapon... it seems at a glance that the officer over reacted, quite possibly flinched... one single shot? Doesn’t sound like shooting to stop a threat. Nor does it appear that even a single member of his team perceived a threat either...

Ever hear of a position called "point"? It's the first person of the patrol, and generally are the first people to see things, as well as are the first to get shot.

Ever seen a door? If a person is standing in it, it's kinda hard to see what is behind them.

Ever see the video of this incident? Me neither, so I would reserve judgement on the police until that happens.

 

[Vastator]

The worst part... it was over a $1.50 bet.

Nah... I’d wager the worst part is some random getting ventilated...

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It is a terrible situation all around. As for the cop, a split second decision has changed his life forever and taken out the life of an innocent human being.

It must be terrible for him, but you can't trust him with a badge again.

We need more details on how the shoot went down.

I am willing to bet there were more than a few witnesses.

The problem is most of them will be other cops, and there is still a blue wall.

Not necessarily. You assume a great deal.

Yes I assume, and considering he shot a 100% innocent guy maybe it won't hold up, but people stick together.

Yet how many times have we seen just the opposite happen?

Also, the officer who shot Mike Brown in Ferguson MO was completely vindicated, but can probably never work again.

 

[Vastator]

It is really difficult to move your arms at all without getting a hand near the waistband, even if you are trying to put your hands up. People don't think that simply moving an arm will get them shot.

No, it is not! When they tell you to put your hands up, you don't reach for your waistband with one hand! Very simple.

That assumes he did something wrong. If not, the police officer needs to be charged.

When you put your hands up, they pass the waistband, unless you extend them outward, but who would think of that.

That is not an attempt to reach for your waistband. Usually one reaches with one hand, not two, to retrieve a weapon.

Unless the man was completely clueless, he should not have acted ib that way. Who knows? Maybe the cop overreacted. It wouldn't be the first time and I am sure it won't be the last.

Judging by the report indicating that only he fired his weapon... it seems at a glance that the officer over reacted, quite possibly flinched... one single shot? Doesn’t sound like shooting to stop a threat. Nor does it appear that even a single member of his team perceived a threat either...

Ever hear of a position called "point"? It's the first person of the patrol, and generally are the first people to see things, as well as are the first to get shot.

Ever seen a door? If a person is standing in it, it's kinda hard to see what is behind them.

Ever see the video of this incident? Me neither, so I would reserve judgement on the police until that happens.

Simmer down sparky. Yes I’ve heard of all of these things , and trained to stack up myself. That’s why I have some questions as to why the shot was taken.

 

[JoeMoma]

You know....................LOTS of you people are missing the point of why I posted this.

Were the cops at fault? Normally, I'd more than likely say yes, because most of the times that I've seen a cop related fatality, it WAS the cops fault. But in this case? No. I won't say that the police were at fault. Why? Because not only have I served in the military, but I was also part of the Security Force while stationed at Newport RI. We were taught about stuff like this. And, we were also taught that every time we were called to treat it like it's real. Same thing when we went to General Quarters, or when I was on the fire fighting parties. We were taught to treat each situation as if it was real, because you have to have those instincts honed in case the real situation happened.

One time, that training in the Navy not only saved a house, but probably saved a life as well. I had gone home with one of my shipmates, and his mother was cooking us lunch when the stove caught on fire. Well, both James and I were members of the fire fighting teams. We saw what was happening when his mom screamed, and because it was an electric stove, I told him to hit the fuse box because he lived there, and I took care of putting out the fire. About 30 sec. is all it took for us to take care of it.

The 911 operator was told that this was a real situation where someone had been killed. The 911 operator had no reason to think it was a prank, so they passed on the information to SWAT, who then went to the place specified. They were expecting a murder scene. And no, in cases of an active crime scene, no warrant is required.

The reason I posted this is to make some aware of the stupidity of some people. Yes, it is a tragedy that this dude was shot, but we don't know the circumstances. If there is video of it, we should look at that before accusing the police of being too forceful.

My opinion? The police officer did nothing wrong. Yes, a mistake was made, but we don't know what the guy did to cause the officer to shoot.

The asshole who should be nailed to a wall and left to bleed to death should be the moron who made the 911 call in the first place. Not only do I think he should be charged with murder, but if there is a death penalty for where he is, I hope they try for it.

The person that made the false call should get the blame criminally . The cop may need some blame if he failed to follow procedure, but not criminally unless there is something we don’t know about. The guy that got shot is a victim of the circumstances and should be blameless.

 

[Lewdog]

The worst part... it was over a $1.50 bet.

Nah... I’d wager the worst part is some random getting ventilated...

Yeah but it happened because of the $1.50 bet.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It is really difficult to move your arms at all without getting a hand near the waistband, even if you are trying to put your hands up. People don't think that simply moving an arm will get them shot.

No, it is not! When they tell you to put your hands up, you don't reach for your waistband with one hand! Very simple.

That assumes he did something wrong. If not, the police officer needs to be charged.

When you put your hands up, they pass the waistband, unless you extend them outward, but who would think of that.

That is not an attempt to reach for your waistband. Usually one reaches with one hand, not two, to retrieve a weapon.

Unless the man was completely clueless, he should not have acted ib that way. Who knows? Maybe the cop overreacted. It wouldn't be the first time and I am sure it won't be the last.

Judging by the report indicating that only he fired his weapon... it seems at a glance that the officer over reacted, quite possibly flinched... one single shot? Doesn’t sound like shooting to stop a threat. Nor does it appear that even a single member of his team perceived a threat either...

We'll find out!

 

[Vastator]

It is really difficult to move your arms at all without getting a hand near the waistband, even if you are trying to put your hands up. People don't think that simply moving an arm will get them shot.

No, it is not! When they tell you to put your hands up, you don't reach for your waistband with one hand! Very simple.

That assumes he did something wrong. If not, the police officer needs to be charged.

When you put your hands up, they pass the waistband, unless you extend them outward, but who would think of that.

That is not an attempt to reach for your waistband. Usually one reaches with one hand, not two, to retrieve a weapon.

Unless the man was completely clueless, he should not have acted ib that way. Who knows? Maybe the cop overreacted. It wouldn't be the first time and I am sure it won't be the last.

Judging by the report indicating that only he fired his weapon... it seems at a glance that the officer over reacted, quite possibly flinched... one single shot? Doesn’t sound like shooting to stop a threat. Nor does it appear that even a single member of his team perceived a threat either...

We'll find out!

Indeed.

 

[Windparadox]

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While I have a rational dislike for cops like this, fortunately, I'm not an online forensic expert like so many here are and would state there is nowhere near enough information on this tragic incident to form an opinion.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No, it is not! When they tell you to put your hands up, you don't reach for your waistband with one hand! Very simple.

That assumes he did something wrong. If not, the police officer needs to be charged.

When you put your hands up, they pass the waistband, unless you extend them outward, but who would think of that.

That is not an attempt to reach for your waistband. Usually one reaches with one hand, not two, to retrieve a weapon.

Unless the man was completely clueless, he should not have acted ib that way. Who knows? Maybe the cop overreacted. It wouldn't be the first time and I am sure it won't be the last.

Judging by the report indicating that only he fired his weapon... it seems at a glance that the officer over reacted, quite possibly flinched... one single shot? Doesn’t sound like shooting to stop a threat. Nor does it appear that even a single member of his team perceived a threat either...

Ever hear of a position called "point"? It's the first person of the patrol, and generally are the first people to see things, as well as are the first to get shot.

Ever seen a door? If a person is standing in it, it's kinda hard to see what is behind them.

Ever see the video of this incident? Me neither, so I would reserve judgement on the police until that happens.

Simmer down sparky. Yes I’ve heard of all of these things , and trained to stack up myself. That’s why I have some questions as to why the shot was taken.

How do you know what position the police were in when he opened the door?

 

[Vastator]

When you put your hands up, they pass the waistband, unless you extend them outward, but who would think of that.

That is not an attempt to reach for your waistband. Usually one reaches with one hand, not two, to retrieve a weapon.

Unless the man was completely clueless, he should not have acted ib that way. Who knows? Maybe the cop overreacted. It wouldn't be the first time and I am sure it won't be the last.

Judging by the report indicating that only he fired his weapon... it seems at a glance that the officer over reacted, quite possibly flinched... one single shot? Doesn’t sound like shooting to stop a threat. Nor does it appear that even a single member of his team perceived a threat either...

Ever hear of a position called "point"? It's the first person of the patrol, and generally are the first people to see things, as well as are the first to get shot.

Ever seen a door? If a person is standing in it, it's kinda hard to see what is behind them.

Ever see the video of this incident? Me neither, so I would reserve judgement on the police until that happens.

Simmer down sparky. Yes I’ve heard of all of these things , and trained to stack up myself. That’s why I have some questions as to why the shot was taken.

How do you know what position the police were in when he opened the door?

I never claimed to know...

 

[Vastator]

When you put your hands up, they pass the waistband, unless you extend them outward, but who would think of that.

That is not an attempt to reach for your waistband. Usually one reaches with one hand, not two, to retrieve a weapon.

Unless the man was completely clueless, he should not have acted ib that way. Who knows? Maybe the cop overreacted. It wouldn't be the first time and I am sure it won't be the last.

Judging by the report indicating that only he fired his weapon... it seems at a glance that the officer over reacted, quite possibly flinched... one single shot? Doesn’t sound like shooting to stop a threat. Nor does it appear that even a single member of his team perceived a threat either...

Ever hear of a position called "point"? It's the first person of the patrol, and generally are the first people to see things, as well as are the first to get shot.

Ever seen a door? If a person is standing in it, it's kinda hard to see what is behind them.

Ever see the video of this incident? Me neither, so I would reserve judgement on the police until that happens.

Simmer down sparky. Yes I’ve heard of all of these things , and trained to stack up myself. That’s why I have some questions as to why the shot was taken.

How do you know what position the police were in when he opened the door?

There simply isn’t enough information available to pass judgment. Whether that be justifiable, or if a mistake was made... We’ll see...

 

[martybegan]

It must be terrible for him, but you can't trust him with a badge again.

We need more details on how the shoot went down.

I am willing to bet there were more than a few witnesses.

The problem is most of them will be other cops, and there is still a blue wall.

Not necessarily. You assume a great deal.

Yes I assume, and considering he shot a 100% innocent guy maybe it won't hold up, but people stick together.

Yet how many times have we seen just the opposite happen?

Also, the officer who shot Mike Brown in Ferguson MO was completely vindicated, but can probably never work again.

As many times as we haven't seen things because they have been hushed up probably.

Considering I don't even remember his name, I'm sure he can find work somewhere. Those LAPD cops did eventually.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I am willing to bet there were more than a few witnesses.

The problem is most of them will be other cops, and there is still a blue wall.

Not necessarily. You assume a great deal.

Yes I assume, and considering he shot a 100% innocent guy maybe it won't hold up, but people stick together.

Yet how many times have we seen just the opposite happen?

Also, the officer who shot Mike Brown in Ferguson MO was completely vindicated, but can probably never work again.

As many times as we haven't seen things because they have been hushed up probably.

Considering I don't even remember his name, I'm sure he can find work somewhere. Those LAPD cops did eventually.

Such as?

I seem to recall a recent spike in officers going to jail.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

A few examples need to be made (judicially) to put an end to this.

The person calling 911 is known. Arrest them.

 

[Lewdog]

A few examples need to be made (judicially) to put an end to this.

The person calling 911 is known. Arrest them.

Not if he used a phone number spoof cite.

 

[martybegan]

The problem is most of them will be other cops, and there is still a blue wall.

Not necessarily. You assume a great deal.

Yes I assume, and considering he shot a 100% innocent guy maybe it won't hold up, but people stick together.

Yet how many times have we seen just the opposite happen?

Also, the officer who shot Mike Brown in Ferguson MO was completely vindicated, but can probably never work again.

As many times as we haven't seen things because they have been hushed up probably.

Considering I don't even remember his name, I'm sure he can find work somewhere. Those LAPD cops did eventually.

Such as?

I seem to recall a recent spike in officers going to jail.

We have seen an increase, but do you honestly believe some incidents have never been effectively covered up?

 

[jon_berzerk]

The 4th amendment needs to be more strictly enforced. **** Bush-era policies.

Did he stop 9/11? No? **** him.

How are you going to do that? The cops don't know that it's a prank call when they get it. And, because of the situation they are called out for, they have to be ready for anything.

The only way they would know it was a prank would be to actually go to the place and check it out, but they wouldn't know that until after they got there and checked out the people.

In what manner did they "check it out"? Did they have a warrant? What judge signed that warrant?

why would they need a warrant responding to a 9-1--1 call think about it

 

[tyroneweaver]

Tyler Raj Barriss



Here he is doing an interview about it. Just get past the guy doing the interview.




Article on his arrest

Man arrested after ‘swatting’ call leads to fatal police shooting in Kansas
They have it. We want it. Let's get it.

 

[tyroneweaver]

What is it with leftists and having unnaturally long necks? Genetic defect?



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