"Swatting" prank turns deadly..............

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Even if the cops thought the call was real, going in guns blazing is not proper procedure. If they cop shot him with no evidence of a threat, said cop should never have a badge again.

With great power comes great responsibility.
The guy who called it in however is guilty of depraved indifference.

Cop MUST be charged with negligent homicide. If for no other reason than to save innocent lives. Otherwise we have a free pass for select slayings orchestrated by very corrupt individuals.
Like the woman from Australia who was murdered by cops. NO excuse for that.

It MUST not be the prerogative of ANY Law Enforcement agency to take an innocent life.
We would better off with mob justice if that's the case. Prove that the cop didn't simply enjoy the killing. PROVE it.

If he NEGLIGENTLY killed an innocent person, he MUST be charged with the crime and face the consequences. He was supposedly trained. Training shoud NEVER include killing innocent people ESPECIALLY when there was no threat. And there must be serious enough consequences to deter any who might have a twitchy trigger finger.

This is inexcusable. Jail Time for the cop or We The People should raise hell.
Minimum 5 years.

Firing them in most cases is enough. He was responding to what he thought was a real call, he was acting as an agent of the State.

as long as he followed procedure, he shouldn't be charged, and if all he did was react too quickly, all that should happen is he should never be a law enforcement officer again.

Of course if he got out of his vehicle guns blazing, then charge him. we need to know all the details.

And LOL on a keyboard commando like you raising hell.

It is a terrible situation all around. As for the cop, a split second decision has changed his life forever and taken out the life of an innocent human being.

It must be terrible for him, but you can't trust him with a badge again.

We need more details on how the shoot went down.

I am willing to bet there were more than a few witnesses.

 

[JoeMoma]

Even if the cops thought the call was real, going in guns blazing is not proper procedure. If they cop shot him with no evidence of a threat, said cop should never have a badge again.

With great power comes great responsibility.
The guy who called it in however is guilty of depraved indifference.

Cop MUST be charged with negligent homicide. If for no other reason than to save innocent lives. Otherwise we have a free pass for select slayings orchestrated by very corrupt individuals.
Like the woman from Australia who was murdered by cops. NO excuse for that.

It MUST not be the prerogative of ANY Law Enforcement agency to take an innocent life.
We would better off with mob justice if that's the case. Prove that the cop didn't simply enjoy the killing. PROVE it.

If he NEGLIGENTLY killed an innocent person, he MUST be charged with the crime and face the consequences. He was supposedly trained. Training shoud NEVER include killing innocent people ESPECIALLY when there was no threat. And there must be serious enough consequences to deter any who might have a twitchy trigger finger.

This is inexcusable. Jail Time for the cop or We The People should raise hell.
Minimum 5 years.

Firing them in most cases is enough. He was responding to what he thought was a real call, he was acting as an agent of the State.

as long as he followed procedure, he shouldn't be charged, and if all he did was react too quickly, all that should happen is he should never be a law enforcement officer again.

Of course if he got out of his vehicle guns blazing, then charge him. we need to know all the details.

And LOL on a keyboard commando like you raising hell.

It is a terrible situation all around. As for the cop, a split second decision has changed his life forever and taken out the life of an innocent human being.

It must be terrible for him, but you can't trust him with a badge again.

We need more details on how the shoot went down.

I agree, he needs another job. I’m sure there will be plenty of people calling for jail time, and the cop may very well deserve it.

 

[JoeMoma]

Even if the cops thought the call was real, going in guns blazing is not proper procedure. If they cop shot him with no evidence of a threat, said cop should never have a badge again.

With great power comes great responsibility.
The guy who called it in however is guilty of depraved indifference.

Cop MUST be charged with negligent homicide. If for no other reason than to save innocent lives. Otherwise we have a free pass for select slayings orchestrated by very corrupt individuals.
Like the woman from Australia who was murdered by cops. NO excuse for that.

It MUST not be the prerogative of ANY Law Enforcement agency to take an innocent life.
We would better off with mob justice if that's the case. Prove that the cop didn't simply enjoy the killing. PROVE it.

If he NEGLIGENTLY killed an innocent person, he MUST be charged with the crime and face the consequences. He was supposedly trained. Training shoud NEVER include killing innocent people ESPECIALLY when there was no threat. And there must be serious enough consequences to deter any who might have a twitchy trigger finger.

This is inexcusable. Jail Time for the cop or We The People should raise hell.
Minimum 5 years.

Firing them in most cases is enough. He was responding to what he thought was a real call, he was acting as an agent of the State.

as long as he followed procedure, he shouldn't be charged, and if all he did was react too quickly, all that should happen is he should never be a law enforcement officer again.

Of course if he got out of his vehicle guns blazing, then charge him. we need to know all the details.

And LOL on a keyboard commando like you raising hell.

It is a terrible situation all around. As for the cop, a split second decision has changed his life forever and taken out the life of an innocent human being.

It must be terrible for him, but you can't trust him with a badge again.

We need more details on how the shoot went down.

I am willing to bet there were more than a few witnesses.

There is at least one video.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It is really difficult to move your arms at all without getting a hand near the waistband, even if you are trying to put your hands up. People don't think that simply moving an arm will get them shot.

No, it is not! When they tell you to put your hands up, you don't reach for your waistband with one hand! Very simple.

That assumes he did something wrong. If not, the police officer needs to be charged.

 

[JoeMoma]

It is really difficult to move your arms at all without getting a hand near the waistband, even if you are trying to put your hands up. People don't think that simply moving an arm will get them shot.

No, it is not! When they tell you to put your hands up, you don't reach for your waistband with one hand! Very simple.

That assumes he did something wrong. If not, the police officer needs to be charged.

As an innocent person just opening the door to see what the hell was going on, the man had no idea what danger he was in. I have great difficulty blaming the victim in this situation.

 

[martybegan]

Or after they shoot an innocent kid dead, amirite?

Like I said, the cops didn't know it was a fake call.

If you were a cop and a 911 dispatcher told you that there was a murder in progress, are you going to stop and ask them if they are sure it's not a prank? No, you are going to head to the call, thinking it's real. And, you are going to be prepared for someone with a weapon, which means your adrenaline is going to be pumping.

The poor kid that was shot had no idea what was going on. All he knew is that a SWAT team showed up at his house for no reason and started beating down the door. And, because he didn't know what was going on, he may not have complied like they told him to, resulting in him getting shot.

And, in most calls like this, the police have to clear the entire house to make sure there are no more dead people or weapons around.

If you want to blame someone, blame the idiot that called SWAT in the first place, not the cops who showed up thinking it was real.

Even if the cops thought the call was real, going in guns blazing is not proper procedure. If they cop shot him with no evidence of a threat, said cop should never have a badge again.

With great power comes great responsibility.

The guy who called it in however is guilty of depraved indifference.

That's not depraved indifference.

he called cops on an unsuspecting household and told the cops a murder was ongoing. What did he expect to happen?

That's murder, just as though the getaway driver gets charged when police catch the bank robber who killed a bank teller. The result of the crime was a homicide.

Of course that all depends on the state's law.

Sorry, think we are arguing the same thing. Depraved indifference is murder in NY, or at least can be.

 

[martybegan]

Even if the cops thought the call was real, going in guns blazing is not proper procedure. If they cop shot him with no evidence of a threat, said cop should never have a badge again.

With great power comes great responsibility.
The guy who called it in however is guilty of depraved indifference.

Cop MUST be charged with negligent homicide. If for no other reason than to save innocent lives. Otherwise we have a free pass for select slayings orchestrated by very corrupt individuals.
Like the woman from Australia who was murdered by cops. NO excuse for that.

It MUST not be the prerogative of ANY Law Enforcement agency to take an innocent life.
We would better off with mob justice if that's the case. Prove that the cop didn't simply enjoy the killing. PROVE it.

If he NEGLIGENTLY killed an innocent person, he MUST be charged with the crime and face the consequences. He was supposedly trained. Training shoud NEVER include killing innocent people ESPECIALLY when there was no threat. And there must be serious enough consequences to deter any who might have a twitchy trigger finger.

This is inexcusable. Jail Time for the cop or We The People should raise hell.
Minimum 5 years.

Firing them in most cases is enough. He was responding to what he thought was a real call, he was acting as an agent of the State.

as long as he followed procedure, he shouldn't be charged, and if all he did was react too quickly, all that should happen is he should never be a law enforcement officer again.

Of course if he got out of his vehicle guns blazing, then charge him. we need to know all the details.

And LOL on a keyboard commando like you raising hell.

It is a terrible situation all around. As for the cop, a split second decision has changed his life forever and taken out the life of an innocent human being.

It must be terrible for him, but you can't trust him with a badge again.

We need more details on how the shoot went down.

I am willing to bet there were more than a few witnesses.

The problem is most of them will be other cops, and there is still a blue wall.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It is really difficult to move your arms at all without getting a hand near the waistband, even if you are trying to put your hands up. People don't think that simply moving an arm will get them shot.

No, it is not! When they tell you to put your hands up, you don't reach for your waistband with one hand! Very simple.

That assumes he did something wrong. If not, the police officer needs to be charged.

As an innocent person just opening the door to see what the hell was going on, the man had no idea what danger he was in. I have great difficulty blaming the victim in this situation.

When the officer gives you directions, you follow them to the letter. It is unfortunate that someone was so stupid as to set this chain of events in action, but let's see what happens before we assign further blame that the mental midget who caused it to happen.

I volunteer with a group of people who train the military and law enforcement in these type of situations. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. In the past 10 years, I have been "shot" once without due cause. The young man who did it was recycled through his training again.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Cop MUST be charged with negligent homicide. If for no other reason than to save innocent lives. Otherwise we have a free pass for select slayings orchestrated by very corrupt individuals.
Like the woman from Australia who was murdered by cops. NO excuse for that.

It MUST not be the prerogative of ANY Law Enforcement agency to take an innocent life.
We would better off with mob justice if that's the case. Prove that the cop didn't simply enjoy the killing. PROVE it.

If he NEGLIGENTLY killed an innocent person, he MUST be charged with the crime and face the consequences. He was supposedly trained. Training shoud NEVER include killing innocent people ESPECIALLY when there was no threat. And there must be serious enough consequences to deter any who might have a twitchy trigger finger.

This is inexcusable. Jail Time for the cop or We The People should raise hell.
Minimum 5 years.

Firing them in most cases is enough. He was responding to what he thought was a real call, he was acting as an agent of the State.

as long as he followed procedure, he shouldn't be charged, and if all he did was react too quickly, all that should happen is he should never be a law enforcement officer again.

Of course if he got out of his vehicle guns blazing, then charge him. we need to know all the details.

And LOL on a keyboard commando like you raising hell.

It is a terrible situation all around. As for the cop, a split second decision has changed his life forever and taken out the life of an innocent human being.

It must be terrible for him, but you can't trust him with a badge again.

We need more details on how the shoot went down.

I am willing to bet there were more than a few witnesses.

The problem is most of them will be other cops, and there is still a blue wall.

Not necessarily. You assume a great deal.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

It is really difficult to move your arms at all without getting a hand near the waistband, even if you are trying to put your hands up. People don't think that simply moving an arm will get them shot.

No, it is not! When they tell you to put your hands up, you don't reach for your waistband with one hand! Very simple.

That assumes he did something wrong. If not, the police officer needs to be charged.

When you put your hands up, they pass the waistband, unless you extend them outward, but who would think of that.

 

[martybegan]

Firing them in most cases is enough. He was responding to what he thought was a real call, he was acting as an agent of the State.

as long as he followed procedure, he shouldn't be charged, and if all he did was react too quickly, all that should happen is he should never be a law enforcement officer again.

Of course if he got out of his vehicle guns blazing, then charge him. we need to know all the details.

And LOL on a keyboard commando like you raising hell.

It is a terrible situation all around. As for the cop, a split second decision has changed his life forever and taken out the life of an innocent human being.

It must be terrible for him, but you can't trust him with a badge again.

We need more details on how the shoot went down.

I am willing to bet there were more than a few witnesses.

The problem is most of them will be other cops, and there is still a blue wall.

Not necessarily. You assume a great deal.

Yes I assume, and considering he shot a 100% innocent guy maybe it won't hold up, but people stick together.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It is really difficult to move your arms at all without getting a hand near the waistband, even if you are trying to put your hands up. People don't think that simply moving an arm will get them shot.

No, it is not! When they tell you to put your hands up, you don't reach for your waistband with one hand! Very simple.

That assumes he did something wrong. If not, the police officer needs to be charged.

When you put your hands up, they pass the waistband, unless you extend them outward, but who would think of that.

That is not an attempt to reach for your waistband. Usually one reaches with one hand, not two, to retrieve a weapon.

Unless the man was completely clueless, he should not have acted ib that way. Who knows? Maybe the cop overreacted. It wouldn't be the first time and I am sure it won't be the last.

 

[deanrd]

Seems there is a new prank that all the kids are getting in on nowadays, it's called "swatting" where someone makes a prank call to 911, tells them about a murder or a kidnapping at a location, and they try to get SWAT sent to the address. It's happened before to Hollyweird types, but now it seems to be moving to the main population.

Only problem is, sometimes like in this case, it can turn deadly. Seems that 2 gamers were fighting over the game Call of Duty, and one got pissed and called SWAT to the other gamers house.

SWAT showed up, and the gamer ended up dead.

Now, in some cases, you would hear me squeaking about the cops shooting an innocent man, but not in this case. Why? Because the dude that SWAT was called to didn't know they were there, and might have made a stupid move. But, you also have to remember that the police were first called because they were told it's a murder. Apparently, this happens about 400 times a year nationwide.

So, when the police start knocking on your door and you don't know why, you might be the victim of a swatting prank.

Police: Hoax call by online gamer led to Wichita police shooting unarmed man

Republicans feel that anytime an unarmed white person is shot by police is a terrible tragedy.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

Seems there is a new prank that all the kids are getting in on nowadays, it's called "swatting" where someone makes a prank call to 911, tells them about a murder or a kidnapping at a location, and they try to get SWAT sent to the address. It's happened before to Hollyweird types, but now it seems to be moving to the main population.

Only problem is, sometimes like in this case, it can turn deadly. Seems that 2 gamers were fighting over the game Call of Duty, and one got pissed and called SWAT to the other gamers house.

SWAT showed up, and the gamer ended up dead.

Now, in some cases, you would hear me squeaking about the cops shooting an innocent man, but not in this case. Why? Because the dude that SWAT was called to didn't know they were there, and might have made a stupid move. But, you also have to remember that the police were first called because they were told it's a murder. Apparently, this happens about 400 times a year nationwide.

So, when the police start knocking on your door and you don't know why, you might be the victim of a swatting prank.

Police: Hoax call by online gamer led to Wichita police shooting unarmed man

This is not new. Been going on since the 90s. Stupid kids need hard time when they do this.

 

[JoeMoma]

It is really difficult to move your arms at all without getting a hand near the waistband, even if you are trying to put your hands up. People don't think that simply moving an arm will get them shot.

No, it is not! When they tell you to put your hands up, you don't reach for your waistband with one hand! Very simple.

That assumes he did something wrong. If not, the police officer needs to be charged.

As an innocent person just opening the door to see what the hell was going on, the man had no idea what danger he was in. I have great difficulty blaming the victim in this situation.

When the officer gives you directions, you follow them to the letter. It is unfortunate that someone was so stupid as to set this chain of events in action, but let's see what happens before we assign further blame that the mental midget who caused it to happen.

I volunteer with a group of people who train the military and law enforcement in these type of situations. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. In the past 10 years, I have been "shot" once without due cause. The young man who did it was recycled through his training again.

Humans are not robots. I can remember a one time after eating cereal for breakfast that I put the box of cereal in the refrigerator and the milk in the cabinate. Lucky for me that wasn’t a fatal mistake.

 

[JoeMoma]

It is really difficult to move your arms at all without getting a hand near the waistband, even if you are trying to put your hands up. People don't think that simply moving an arm will get them shot.

No, it is not! When they tell you to put your hands up, you don't reach for your waistband with one hand! Very simple.

That assumes he did something wrong. If not, the police officer needs to be charged.

When you put your hands up, they pass the waistband, unless you extend them outward, but who would think of that.

That is not an attempt to reach for your waistband. Usually one reaches with one hand, not two, to retrieve a weapon.

Unless the man was completely clueless, he should not have acted ib that way. Who knows? Maybe the cop overreacted. It wouldn't be the first time and I am sure it won't be the last.

I would expect an innocent man opening the door under these circumstances to be completely clueless.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

It is really difficult to move your arms at all without getting a hand near the waistband, even if you are trying to put your hands up. People don't think that simply moving an arm will get them shot.

No, it is not! When they tell you to put your hands up, you don't reach for your waistband with one hand! Very simple.

That assumes he did something wrong. If not, the police officer needs to be charged.

When you put your hands up, they pass the waistband, unless you extend them outward, but who would think of that.

That is not an attempt to reach for your waistband. Usually one reaches with one hand, not two, to retrieve a weapon.

Unless the man was completely clueless, he should not have acted ib that way. Who knows? Maybe the cop overreacted. It wouldn't be the first time and I am sure it won't be the last.

People move their hands around for many reasons or no reason. They make gestures without really thinking.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know....................LOTS of you people are missing the point of why I posted this.

Were the cops at fault? Normally, I'd more than likely say yes, because most of the times that I've seen a cop related fatality, it WAS the cops fault. But in this case? No. I won't say that the police were at fault. Why? Because not only have I served in the military, but I was also part of the Security Force while stationed at Newport RI. We were taught about stuff like this. And, we were also taught that every time we were called to treat it like it's real. Same thing when we went to General Quarters, or when I was on the fire fighting parties. We were taught to treat each situation as if it was real, because you have to have those instincts honed in case the real situation happened.

One time, that training in the Navy not only saved a house, but probably saved a life as well. I had gone home with one of my shipmates, and his mother was cooking us lunch when the stove caught on fire. Well, both James and I were members of the fire fighting teams. We saw what was happening when his mom screamed, and because it was an electric stove, I told him to hit the fuse box because he lived there, and I took care of putting out the fire. About 30 sec. is all it took for us to take care of it.

The 911 operator was told that this was a real situation where someone had been killed. The 911 operator had no reason to think it was a prank, so they passed on the information to SWAT, who then went to the place specified. They were expecting a murder scene. And no, in cases of an active crime scene, no warrant is required.

The reason I posted this is to make some aware of the stupidity of some people. Yes, it is a tragedy that this dude was shot, but we don't know the circumstances. If there is video of it, we should look at that before accusing the police of being too forceful.

My opinion? The police officer did nothing wrong. Yes, a mistake was made, but we don't know what the guy did to cause the officer to shoot.

The asshole who should be nailed to a wall and left to bleed to death should be the moron who made the 911 call in the first place. Not only do I think he should be charged with murder, but if there is a death penalty for where he is, I hope they try for it.

 

[Vastator]

It is really difficult to move your arms at all without getting a hand near the waistband, even if you are trying to put your hands up. People don't think that simply moving an arm will get them shot.

No, it is not! When they tell you to put your hands up, you don't reach for your waistband with one hand! Very simple.

That assumes he did something wrong. If not, the police officer needs to be charged.

When you put your hands up, they pass the waistband, unless you extend them outward, but who would think of that.

That is not an attempt to reach for your waistband. Usually one reaches with one hand, not two, to retrieve a weapon.

Unless the man was completely clueless, he should not have acted ib that way. Who knows? Maybe the cop overreacted. It wouldn't be the first time and I am sure it won't be the last.

Judging by the report indicating that only he fired his weapon... it seems at a glance that the officer over reacted, quite possibly flinched... one single shot? Doesn’t sound like shooting to stop a threat. Nor does it appear that even a single member of his team perceived a threat either...

 

[Lewdog]

The worst part... it was over a $1.50 bet.