Students are being trained by union teachers to say ‘F--- ICE.’

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

With all due respect, "not a single word" is an exaggeration. Unless they are from some undiscovered tribe, they know at least a handful of words. They may not feel confident enough to try using them, or they may not want to try with any particular interlocutor, but they're in there. That is exactly the kind of student I have been teaching for most of my adult life. Communication is humans' instinct. It's not easy - it takes just about 7 years to go from very much beginner to capable of doing academic work in English - but I've seen students really just starting out eventually go to college here on full scholarships. There's a lot to it. I can understand why many people say, "not one word," but that's usually a matter of not wanting to at first. Fear and self-consciousness and all that. Then there's grammar, pronunciation, etc. True beginner adults are sometimes even more of a challenge.

Apparently, you are unfamiliar with this tribe. They live in the isolated mountain areas and have little to no contact with the outside world. They fled their home when the brutal military government forced them out. These kids uttered not a sound. They are the literal exception to the rule.

I had kids from all over the world in those classes. It wasn't easy, even with two ESL paras that spoke only Spanish.

Other than that, you told me nothing new, but thank you for repeating that for the people who might take it to heart.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

These days, every teacher is required to be SEI certified.

I am not talking language here Unk. I know that, as I was. One of the biggest waste of my after-school hours without pay I ever had to endure.

 

[80zephyr]

I am not talking language her Unk. I know that, as I was. One of the biggest waste of my after-school hours without pay I ever had to endure.

"her"?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

"her"?

Thank you!

 

[Unkotare]

Apparently, you are unfamiliar with this tribe. They live in the isolated mountain areas and have little to no contact with the outside world. They fled their home when the brutal military government forced them out. These kids uttered not a sound. ...

That's not language, it's trauma. I've seen that a thousand times. It can be an impediment to acquisition, but it doesn't mean "not a single word" is accurate. With patient, careful effort, students can eventually come around. That's when you see how much they really do know.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

That's not language, it's trauma. I've seen that a thousand times. It can be an impediment to acquisition, but it doesn't mean "not a single word" is accurate. With patient, careful effort, students can eventually come around. That's when you see how much they really do know.

I had them for two years. Tell me I'm wrong again but be a little more convincing. Our entire schools district was at a loss with what to do with them. They tried hiring the kid's parents who spoke English as translators. Guess how many there were? Zero! We couldn't find anyone who spoke English and their language or any other language for that matter.

Unk, you may know ESL but you don't know shit about these kids.

 

[Unkotare]

...

I had kids from all over the world in those classes....

That's part of what makes it so interesting.

 

[Unkotare]

I am not talking language here Unk. I know that, as I was. One of the biggest waste of my after-school hours without pay I ever had to endure.

Why?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Why?

They taught me nothing I did not already know from my education classes I took for my teacher certification. That was 2 hours a day, twice a week, for nearly 3 months where my already long workdays just got longer.

 

[DonGlock26]

I blame the parents, sometimes the kids themselves, the charities and social programs that bring them here, and the school district for requiring us to fail in teaching them anything useful.

But you have no blame for the teachers?

 

[DonGlock26]

If your job was to make chicken salad, and your employer only provided you with chicken shit, would you be able to perform your job?

How do you educate a child born in Myanmar, brought to the United States by Catholic Charities to live in a government subsidized apartment complex in your school's district in the United States? They speak no English, and I mean not a single word. There are no translators available for their language. Their parents do not speak English or any other language for which translation is available. These are the type of kids in our inner city schools where I taught in Louisville KY. I know this very well as I had several boys in my classes. My aunt lived in the same complex and I saw them when I visited her.

Please inform us, oh wise and seasoned educator how you would teach this child? This is the typical child I am referring to as "chicken shit" because they are nothing to work with, and for that reason only. These children were well behaved, obedient as they could be, and were doing the best they could in the situation they were placed. I felt so sorry for them!

Tell us oh great and wonderful sooth sayer, what would you do?

So much excuse making. How about this. The teaching profession shares some of the blame.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

But you have no blame for the teachers?

I only met a few teachers who did not perform and I fired them!

 

[Unkotare]

I had them for two years. Tell me I'm wrong again but be a little more convincing. Our entire schools district was at a loss with what to do with them. They tried hiring the kid's parents who spoke English as translators. Guess how many there were? Zero! We couldn't find anyone who spoke English and their language or any other language for that matter.

Unk, you may know ESL but you don't know shit about these kids.

Oh, I think I do. And your district dropped the ball. You don't need translators to teach anyone English, no matter what their L1 is.

 

[DonGlock26]

That is not evidence for the entire educational system. Those are cherry-picked! Funding had nothing to do with results and the lack of improvement is evidence that the data is irrelevant.

Sure it is. Find something to refute it.

 

[DonGlock26]

I only met a few teachers who did not perform and I fired them!

You are just one insignificant person. Your personal experience, even if true, is meaningless.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So much excuse making. How about this. The teaching profession shares some of the blame.

You ignored the most relevant part of my post:

"Tell us oh great and wonderful sooth sayer, what would you do?"

Tell me what I did wrong! You obviously know the answer!

 

[DonGlock26]

You ignored the most relevant part of my post:

"Tell us oh great and wonderful sooth sayer, what would you do?"

Tell me what I did wrong! You obviously know the answer!

It's not about YOU. No one here gives two shits about you.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You are just one insignificant person. Your personal experience, even if true, is meaningless.

In terms of education, I am a lot more qualified than a random internet poster to question my performance as an educator.

 

[DonGlock26]

In terms of education, I am a lot more qualified than a random internet poster to question my performance as an educator.

No one cares about you. I'm sorry.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It's not about YOU. No one here gives two shits about you.

Tell me what any teacher could do to improve their performance. Why can't you say? It is because you are just a stupid unaccomplished teacher wannabe, who likes to ***** about things you know nothing about.

You posted about education and then called out teachers specifically. What is your answer to teachers all over the country?