Starbucks implements gun-free zones in stores - and gets robbed at gunpoint

[Vox]

Looks like Starbucks is finding out the hard way: When you ban people who obey laws and rule, from carrying guns in your stores, people who DON'T obey laws and rules come in with guns.

But the leftists will continue to insist, their laws will work if only we have enough of them. WHen they fail, that's simply a sign we need more.

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Blog: How's that gun-free zone working out for Starbucks?

How's that gun-free zone working out for Starbucks?

by Thomas Lifson
December 19, 2013

Three months ago, Starbucks' CEO Howard Schultz proudly announced a gun-free zone policy for his company's stores.

So, how's it working out? KKTV TV in Colorado Springs reports:

Police are searching for a man who held up at Colorado Springs Starbucks Sunday morning.

Employees told officers that after the suspect walled in, he pulled out a gun and demanded money from the register. He left after employees gave him money. No one was injured.

The suspect is described as a black man in his early-to-mid 20s, slim and about 6 feet tall to 6-foot-2. He was dressed in all black. Police say he may have left the area in a black Subaru-style vehicle.

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maybe this poor little disadvantaged and haunted by stigma of slavery boy from underserved area just could not read the sign that it is gun-free zone, and this all could have been prevented if we just poured more money to his school district?

 

[Dutch]

Yea because one of you coffe drinking Rambos would have stopped him. more likely you would have shot yourself in the leg.

I recently completed 16 hours of firearms training from a State Police certified instructor.

We were given a similar scenario to contemplate. The instructor's advice was to flee the situation and call 9-1-1. He further advised us that IF we chose to confront the perpetrator, we should get his/her attention until they faced us front-on. Only then can one shoot to kill.

This is the responsibility of lawfully carrying and using a concealed firearm.

To a perpetrator, there is no responsibility nor are there laws.

Now you choose who's side you are on...

Well I was given 13 weeks of basic training numbnuts. Have you ever seen someone bleeding to death from a stomach wound asshole?

 

[Dutch]

Like i have said before, I have personally seen greater men than you assholes piss
Down their legs when the shit hit the fan so forgive me if I piss
on your "16" hours of training.

 

[Esmeralda]

Looks like Starbucks is finding out the hard way: When you ban people who obey laws and rule, from carrying guns in your stores, people who DON'T obey laws and rules come in with guns.

But the leftists will continue to insist, their laws will work if only we have enough of them. WHen they fail, that's simply a sign we need more.

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Blog: How's that gun-free zone working out for Starbucks?

How's that gun-free zone working out for Starbucks?

by Thomas Lifson
December 19, 2013

Three months ago, Starbucks' CEO Howard Schultz proudly announced a gun-free zone policy for his company's stores.

So, how's it working out? KKTV TV in Colorado Springs reports:

Police are searching for a man who held up at Colorado Springs Starbucks Sunday morning.

Employees told officers that after the suspect walled in, he pulled out a gun and demanded money from the register. He left after employees gave him money. No one was injured.

The suspect is described as a black man in his early-to-mid 20s, slim and about 6 feet tall to 6-foot-2. He was dressed in all black. Police say he may have left the area in a black Subaru-style vehicle.

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Your assumption is that if one of the staff or customers had been armed, they would have been able to stop the robbery. That simply is not an absolute result. A staff member or customer being armed may have had no effect, or it may have had the effect of an innocent person getting hurt or killed. Also, it is a simple robbery for a few hundred dollars. What you people want is for the robber to get the death penalty for that. You want him to die, to be shot down for a robbery. In the vast majority of such robberies, as in this one, no one is injured or killed, yet the pro-gun people always want the robber to die, to essentially get the death penalty. Having guns around causes more death and injury, not less.

 

[Esmeralda]

Yea because one of you coffe drinking Rambos would have stopped him. more likely you would have shot yourself in the leg.

Never ceases to amaze me how you pajama boys always react with "you'll shoot yourself!" What pathetic little lives you must live to be afraid of protecting yourselves in order to not hurt yourself. Like your first reaction is hoping to not be shot by the criminal because you are too incompetent to trust yourself with your own defense. An armed robber is the second most dangerous person to you during a robbery, you with a gun is the most dangerous person to yourself in this situation. How pathetic.

It never ceases to amaze me how you people are unable to use logic. People who don't carry guns are the ones who are not afraid. People who can't function in life without being armed because they are so paranoid and afraid of their own shadow they think they are always under attack are the ones who are afraid. How pathetic to go through life being so fearful that you can't go to a coffee shop, the grocers or even stay home without the constant worry that you are under attack at any moment and you must be armed in order to protect yourself. Really, really pathetic.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Starbucks implements gun-free zones in stores - and gets robbed at gunpoint

And the OP’s thread fails, victim of a post hoc fallacy.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Looks like Starbucks is finding out the hard way: When you ban people who obey laws and rule, from carrying guns in your stores, people who DON'T obey laws and rules come in with guns.

But the leftists will continue to insist, their laws will work if only we have enough of them. WHen they fail, that's simply a sign we need more.

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Blog: How's that gun-free zone working out for Starbucks?

How's that gun-free zone working out for Starbucks?

by Thomas Lifson
December 19, 2013

Three months ago, Starbucks' CEO Howard Schultz proudly announced a gun-free zone policy for his company's stores.

So, how's it working out? KKTV TV in Colorado Springs reports:

Police are searching for a man who held up at Colorado Springs Starbucks Sunday morning.

Employees told officers that after the suspect walled in, he pulled out a gun and demanded money from the register. He left after employees gave him money. No one was injured.

The suspect is described as a black man in his early-to-mid 20s, slim and about 6 feet tall to 6-foot-2. He was dressed in all black. Police say he may have left the area in a black Subaru-style vehicle.

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Your assumption is that if one of the staff or customers had been armed, they would have been able to stop the robbery. That simply is not an absolute result. A staff member or customer being armed may have had no effect, or it may have had the effect of an innocent person getting hurt or killed. Also, it is a simple robbery for a few hundred dollars. What you people want is for the robber to get the death penalty for that. You want him to die, to be shot down for a robbery. In the vast majority of such robberies, as in this one, no one is injured or killed, yet the pro-gun people always want the robber to die, to essentially get the death penalty. Having guns around causes more death and injury, not less.

True.

This of course compounds the idiocy of the OP’s premise, the notion that an armed customer would have somehow ‘prevented’ a robbery.

 

[Esmeralda]

Starbucks implements gun-free zones in stores - and gets robbed at gunpoint

And the OP’s thread fails, victim of a post hoc fallacy.

Yep, there are robberies going on everyday in places that are not gun free zones. Makes no difference whether it is gun free or not, there will be robberies.

When countries have bans on guns, there is less gun crime. So, when you have a country that has strict gun laws, it also keeps criminals from getting guns. This is something the pro-gun people never acknowledge.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Yea because one of you coffe drinking Rambos would have stopped him. more likely you would have shot yourself in the leg.

Never ceases to amaze me how you pajama boys always react with "you'll shoot yourself!" What pathetic little lives you must live to be afraid of protecting yourselves in order to not hurt yourself. Like your first reaction is hoping to not be shot by the criminal because you are too incompetent to trust yourself with your own defense. An armed robber is the second most dangerous person to you during a robbery, you with a gun is the most dangerous person to yourself in this situation. How pathetic.

Self-defense isn’t the issue, and isn’t associated with the stupidity expressed in the OP.

At issue is the moronic notion that should a coffee shop be robbed, an armed customer would ‘save the day’; as well as the fallacy that the robbery occurred as a consequence of the coffee shop’s gun policy.

Self-defense is a completely different matter, where the customer himself is attacked, and lawfully responds with deadly force.

 

[MDiver]

Many thousands, such as myself, possess concealed weapons permits and as such, I will not comply with their "weapons free zone." What are they going to do....frisk everyone that walks in?!
As long as we're not robbing them and bothering the staff or other customers, it's none of their business who is carrying and who isn't.

 

[Tank]

Washingtonpost.com: 3 Employees Killed At D.C. Starbucks

 

[NoNukes]

Looks like Starbucks is finding out the hard way: When you ban people who obey laws and rule, from carrying guns in your stores, people who DON'T obey laws and rules come in with guns.

But the leftists will continue to insist, their laws will work if only we have enough of them. WHen they fail, that's simply a sign we need more.

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Blog: How's that gun-free zone working out for Starbucks?

How's that gun-free zone working out for Starbucks?

by Thomas Lifson
December 19, 2013

Three months ago, Starbucks' CEO Howard Schultz proudly announced a gun-free zone policy for his company's stores.

So, how's it working out? KKTV TV in Colorado Springs reports:

Police are searching for a man who held up at Colorado Springs Starbucks Sunday morning.

Employees told officers that after the suspect walled in, he pulled out a gun and demanded money from the register. He left after employees gave him money. No one was injured.

The suspect is described as a black man in his early-to-mid 20s, slim and about 6 feet tall to 6-foot-2. He was dressed in all black. Police say he may have left the area in a black Subaru-style vehicle.

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Just what you would want, a shootout at Starbucks while you are enjoying your coffee. Only in America would you have such twisted thinking.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Maybe the guy didn't know it was a gun free zone

Yep, maybe they need bigger signs, that should do it.

Or perhaps they just need to word them more STRONGLY... yeah... that'll do the trick.

period

no guns allowed period

 

[SwimExpert]

Yea because one of you coffe drinking Rambos would have stopped him. more likely you would have shot yourself in the leg.

That is a remarkably stupid, bigoted, and illogical thing to say.

It's clear that you have a dislike for people who support gun rights. That is your right, of course. But it's not a position founded in logic. In fact, your position is equivalent to someone who irrationally hates other people based on race, religion, or some other trivial quality.

The truth is that the majority of people who own guns, who are gun enthusiasts, etc, are responsible and knowledgeable individuals. Most enjoy shooting as a pleasurable hobby, and make a point to become proficient and competent with firearms. The very notion that a responsible gun owner would shoot him/herself in the leg in the above scenario is not only ridiculous. It is amazingly ignorant, and illustrates an uninformed and unintelligent bigotry that is on par with hating a person simply because they are black, or simply because they are homosexual.

 

[SwimExpert]

Looks like Starbucks is finding out the hard way: When you ban people who obey laws and rule, from carrying guns in your stores, people who DON'T obey laws and rules come in with guns.

But the leftists will continue to insist, their laws will work if only we have enough of them. WHen they fail, that's simply a sign we need more.

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Blog: How's that gun-free zone working out for Starbucks?

How's that gun-free zone working out for Starbucks?

by Thomas Lifson
December 19, 2013

Three months ago, Starbucks' CEO Howard Schultz proudly announced a gun-free zone policy for his company's stores.

So, how's it working out? KKTV TV in Colorado Springs reports:

Police are searching for a man who held up at Colorado Springs Starbucks Sunday morning.

Employees told officers that after the suspect walled in, he pulled out a gun and demanded money from the register. He left after employees gave him money. No one was injured.

The suspect is described as a black man in his early-to-mid 20s, slim and about 6 feet tall to 6-foot-2. He was dressed in all black. Police say he may have left the area in a black Subaru-style vehicle.

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What a pity some brave American was denied the right to play hero, and whip out his concealed weapon and shoot this man dead. What a tragedy!!

Do you mean to argue that this criminal had any right or privilege to his life that was paramount to the right to life and self defense of the victims who feared for their lives and who did not know whether they would last another five minutes?

 

[SwimExpert]

Well I was given 13 weeks of basic training numbnuts. Have you ever seen someone bleeding to death from a stomach wound asshole?

I was a combat medic in the service. What was it you wanted to tell me about the gruesome nature of battlefield wounds?

 

[SwimExpert]

Starbucks implements gun-free zones in stores - and gets robbed at gunpoint

And the OP’s thread fails, victim of a post hoc fallacy.

You can't call it a post hoc fallacy when someone's argument's predictions have been coming true for decades.

 

[SwimExpert]

Makes no difference whether it is gun free or not, there will be robberies.

Welcome to conservatism.

 

[Esmeralda]

Washingtonpost.com: 3 Employees Killed At D.C. Starbucks

The incident happened in 1997. Has nothing to do with the current issue, the issue in this thread, of Starbucks declaring itself a gun free zone and then being robbed.

 

[Esmeralda]

Makes no difference whether it is gun free or not, there will be robberies.

Welcome to conservatism.

You've entirely, perhaps purposely, misread my post. For the kindergarten level of mentality, I'll explain it to you. The OP has suggested that the reason Starbucks was robbed is because the criminals out there know they are a 'gun-free zone' and therefore a good target. My point was that places are robbed whether they are gun free or not and that Starbucks being gun free is not relevant. In fact, there are thousands of Starbucks all over the country, one of the most prolific businesses in the country. To have one robbery there weeks after the announcement was made to be gun-free clearly indicates they have not become a specific target at all. Try to grow up mentally. Stating the fact that there are, indeed, robberies in the US hardly makes me a conservative. Your coming to that conclusion is deeply flawed logic and pathetically self-serving.