Stanford scientists find the climate and health impacts of natural gas stoves are greater than previously thought

[bripat9643]

The global warming kooks are going to use this as an excuse to ban the use of natural gas. Just watch:

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Rethinking cooking with gas | Stanford News​

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Natural gas stoves release methane – a potent greenhouse gas – and other pollutants through leaks and incomplete combustion. Stanford researchers estimate that methane leaking from stoves inside U.S. homes has the same climate impact as about 500,000 gasoline-powered cars and the stoves can expose people to respiratory disease-triggering pollutants.​

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Humans have cooked with fire for millennia, but it may be time for a change. Natural gas appliances warm the planet in two ways: generating carbon dioxide by burning natural gas as a fuel and leaking unburned methane into the air. A new Stanford-led study reveals that the methane leaking from natural gas-burning stoves inside U.S. homes has a climate impact comparable to the carbon dioxide emissions from about 500,000 gasoline-powered cars.​

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This extra warming from home methane leaks contributes about a third as much warming as the carbon dioxide generated by combustion of the stove’s natural gas, and sometimes exposes users to respiratory disease-triggering pollutants. The findings, published in Environmental Science & Technology, come as legislators in numerous U.S. municipalities and at least one state – New York – weigh banning natural gas hookups from new construction.​

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“Surprisingly, there are very few measurements of how much natural gas escapes into the air from inside homes and buildings through leaks and incomplete combustion from appliances,” said study lead author Eric Lebel, who conducted the research as a graduate student in Stanford’s School of Earth, Energy and Environmental Sciences (Stanford Earth). “It’s probably the part of natural gas emissions we understand the least about, and it can have a big impact on both climate and indoor air quality.”​

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An overlooked contributor to a growing problem Although carbon dioxide is more abundant in the atmosphere, methane’s global warming potential is about 86 times as great over a 20-year period and at least 25 times as great a century after its release. Methane also threatens air quality by increasing the concentration of tropospheric ozone, exposure to which causes an estimated 1 million premature deaths annually worldwide due to respiratory illnesses. Methane’s relative concentration has grown more than twice as fast as that of carbon dioxide since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution because of human-driven emissions.​

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While pipeline leaks of natural gas, which is more than 90 percent methane, have been studied extensively, natural gas-burning cooking appliances have received comparatively little attention.​

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Over one-third of U.S. households – more than 40 million homes – cook with gas. Unlike other gas appliances, such as space and water heaters that are usually placed away from living quarters, cooking appliances directly expose people to their emissions, which can include formaldehyde, carbon monoxide and nitric oxides that can trigger asthma, coughing, wheezing and difficulty breathing, occasionally resulting in hospitalization. Hood use and ventilation help reduce concentrations of nitrogen oxides and other co-produced pollutants in kitchen air, yet surveys show that home cooks on average use hoods for kitchen ventilation only 25–40 percent of the time.​

 

[Donald H]

. Stanford researchers estimate that methane leaking from stoves inside U.S. homes has the same climate impact as about 500,000 gasoline-powered cars and the stoves can expose people to respiratory disease-triggering pollutants.

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Equivalent to only half a million cars makes it a minimal effect that's far down the list of issues we must address soon.

But a good thread to provide the opportunity to put the matter into it's proper perspective!

 

[WTH_Progs?]

I've never owned a gas stove beyond propane. They cook better, but a pain in the ass IMO, you have to worry about leaks, leaving it on, open flame etc.

 

[bripat9643]

I've never owned a gas stove beyond propane. They cook better, but a pain in the ass IMO, you have to worry about leaks, leaving it on, open flame etc.

People who like to cook prefer gas stoves hands down.

 

[MisterBeale]

Compared to the amount of CO2 that is produced making the energy that data processing centers use? This is a negligible concern.

If climate change is a real and serious threat, there really is not compelling need for either consumption of energy for crypto, or CBDC, or indeed Data Centers at all. Close them all down, the NSA doesn't need to be collecting anything on us, nor does FB or Google.

Next to the energy use of these? Gas cooking, or even ICE transportation costs? Those are minuscule energy demands. The establishment knows that though, they are only interested in complete control, same thing oligarchs, socialists, communists, and all STATISTS have always wanted. Strip your freedom, and assert total control.

The Great Reset: The Final Assault on the Living Planet [It’s Not a Social Dilemma – It’s the Calculated Destruction of the Social, Part III]​

The Great Reset: The Final Assault on the Living Planet [It’s Not a Social Dilemma – It’s the Calculated Destruction of the Social, Part III] - Wrong Kind of Green

"Social license is being harvested to reset the capitalist system – under the guise of a climate emergency and saving the planet. This we know: the planet will not be saved by those that have destroyed it."

www.wrongkindofgreen.org

 

[MisterBeale]

Equivalent to only half a million cars makes it a minimal effect that's far down the list of issues we must address soon.

But a good thread to provide the opportunity to put the matter into it's proper perspective!

That whole Co2, global climate change paradigm is a scam, I think that is the point here though.

 

[Donald H]

That whole Co2, global climate change paradigm is a scam, I think that is the point here though.

Whatever the point was, it was defused easily by the facts. It was carelessly promoted and deserved to be nipped in the bud.

Consider the source!

 

[colfax_m]

Compared to the amount of CO2 that is produced making the energy that data processing centers use? This is a negligible concern.

If climate change is a real and serious threat, there really is not compelling need for either consumption of energy for crypto, or CBDC, or indeed Data Centers at all. Close them all down, the NSA doesn't need to be collecting anything on us, nor does FB or Google.

Next to the energy use of these? Gas cooking, or even ICE transportation costs? Those are minuscule energy demands. The establishment knows that though, they are only interested in complete control, same thing oligarchs, socialists, communists, and all STATISTS have always wanted. Strip your freedom, and assert total control.

The Great Reset: The Final Assault on the Living Planet [It’s Not a Social Dilemma – It’s the Calculated Destruction of the Social, Part III]​

The Great Reset: The Final Assault on the Living Planet [It’s Not a Social Dilemma – It’s the Calculated Destruction of the Social, Part III] - Wrong Kind of Green

"Social license is being harvested to reset the capitalist system – under the guise of a climate emergency and saving the planet. This we know: the planet will not be saved by those that have destroyed it."

www.wrongkindofgreen.org

Not arguing against the uselessness of crypto mining, but energy can be produced without the need for fossil fuels.

Switching natural gas stoves to induction is a good idea.

 

[Independent thinker]

The global warming kooks are going to use this as an excuse to ban the use of natural gas. Just watch:

​

Rethinking cooking with gas | Stanford News​

​

Natural gas stoves release methane – a potent greenhouse gas – and other pollutants through leaks and incomplete combustion. Stanford researchers estimate that methane leaking from stoves inside U.S. homes has the same climate impact as about 500,000 gasoline-powered cars and the stoves can expose people to respiratory disease-triggering pollutants.​

​

Humans have cooked with fire for millennia, but it may be time for a change. Natural gas appliances warm the planet in two ways: generating carbon dioxide by burning natural gas as a fuel and leaking unburned methane into the air. A new Stanford-led study reveals that the methane leaking from natural gas-burning stoves inside U.S. homes has a climate impact comparable to the carbon dioxide emissions from about 500,000 gasoline-powered cars.​

​

This extra warming from home methane leaks contributes about a third as much warming as the carbon dioxide generated by combustion of the stove’s natural gas, and sometimes exposes users to respiratory disease-triggering pollutants. The findings, published in Environmental Science & Technology, come as legislators in numerous U.S. municipalities and at least one state – New York – weigh banning natural gas hookups from new construction.​

​

“Surprisingly, there are very few measurements of how much natural gas escapes into the air from inside homes and buildings through leaks and incomplete combustion from appliances,” said study lead author Eric Lebel, who conducted the research as a graduate student in Stanford’s School of Earth, Energy and Environmental Sciences (Stanford Earth). “It’s probably the part of natural gas emissions we understand the least about, and it can have a big impact on both climate and indoor air quality.”​

​

An overlooked contributor to a growing problem Although carbon dioxide is more abundant in the atmosphere, methane’s global warming potential is about 86 times as great over a 20-year period and at least 25 times as great a century after its release. Methane also threatens air quality by increasing the concentration of tropospheric ozone, exposure to which causes an estimated 1 million premature deaths annually worldwide due to respiratory illnesses. Methane’s relative concentration has grown more than twice as fast as that of carbon dioxide since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution because of human-driven emissions.​

​

While pipeline leaks of natural gas, which is more than 90 percent methane, have been studied extensively, natural gas-burning cooking appliances have received comparatively little attention.​

​

Over one-third of U.S. households – more than 40 million homes – cook with gas. Unlike other gas appliances, such as space and water heaters that are usually placed away from living quarters, cooking appliances directly expose people to their emissions, which can include formaldehyde, carbon monoxide and nitric oxides that can trigger asthma, coughing, wheezing and difficulty breathing, occasionally resulting in hospitalization. Hood use and ventilation help reduce concentrations of nitrogen oxides and other co-produced pollutants in kitchen air, yet surveys show that home cooks on average use hoods for kitchen ventilation only 25–40 percent of the time.​

I thought they had already been doing that. I'm actually not against reasonable measures to fight rising temps but most of the left want to be totally unreasonable. If we can switch over to electric or something else from gas without greatly inconveniencing people or costing a lot more, then go for it.

 

[MisterBeale]

Not arguing against the uselessness of crypto mining, but energy can be produced without the need for fossil fuels.

Switching natural gas stoves to induction is a good idea.

If the entire population of the planet decides to start living like the Amish or primitive tribes? If they all give up electronic gadgets and electronic cars? Sure, enough energy can be produced with out hydrocarbons. There are limits to energy efficiency, and to wind and solar production and storage technologies, versus what global ruler have in mind with these of the planned data centers and the smart cities. You have no idea what is planned.


You are being gas-lit and being propagandized with bullshit.

This paradigm is more about trying to usher in a global government and having an interlocking government/corporate state of global oligarch control all resources, than a manufactured "climate emergency."

 

[colfax_m]

If the entire population of the planet decides to start living like the Amish or primitive tribes? If they all give up electronic gadgets and electronic cars? Sure, enough energy can be produced with out hydrocarbons. There are limits to energy efficiency, and to wind and solar production and storage technologies, versus what global ruler have in mind with these of the planned data centers and the smart cities. You have no idea what is planned.


You are being gas-lit and being propagandized with bullshit.

This paradigm is more about trying to usher in a global government and having an interlocking government/corporate state of global oligarch control all resources, than a manufactured "climate emergency."

There's fewer limitations than you think. Wind may not always be on at any specific place, but over the country, it's always windy somewhere. Combine that with solar, pumphydro storage, battery storage, nuclear, hydroelectric, you've got a solid grid, even if you still use a little hydrocarbon for some peak.

The thing holding up a truly green grid isn't engineering, it's politics.

 

[bripat9643]

I thought they had already been doing that. I'm actually not against reasonable measures to fight rising temps but most of the left want to be totally unreasonable. If we can switch over to electric or something else from gas without greatly inconveniencing people or costing a lot more, then go for it.

Power utilities have been switching to natural gas to get off of using coal. The carbon content of natural gas is half of what coal contains, so abolishing the use of natural gas will only aggravate the problem.

Sunshine and unicorn farts have not demonstrated themselves to be feasible alternatives at this point.

 

[bripat9643]

There's fewer limitations than you think. Wind may not always be on at any specific place, but over the country, it's always windy somewhere. Combine that with solar, pumphydro storage, battery storage, nuclear, hydroelectric, you've got a solid grid, even if you still use a little hydrocarbon for some peak.

The thing holding up a truly green grid isn't engineering, it's politics.

"Over the country?" You believe we can transmit power from new England to California economically?

Why not just eliminate everything but nuclear and hydroelectric? The rest are fantasies.

 

[bripat9643]

If the entire population of the planet decides to start living like the Amish or primitive tribes? If they all give up electronic gadgets and electronic cars? Sure, enough energy can be produced with out hydrocarbons. There are limits to energy efficiency, and to wind and solar production and storage technologies, versus what global ruler have in mind with these of the planned data centers and the smart cities. You have no idea what is planned.


You are being gas-lit and being propagandized with bullshit.

This paradigm is more about trying to usher in a global government and having an interlocking government/corporate state of global oligarch control all resources, than a manufactured "climate emergency."

The Amish use wood stoves.

 

[bripat9643]

Not arguing against the uselessness of crypto mining, but energy can be produced without the need for fossil fuels.

Switching natural gas stoves to induction is a good idea.

Yeah, we can use nuclear. Sunshine and unicorn farts, on the other hand, won't get it.

 

[bripat9643]

Whatever the point was, it was defused easily by the facts. It was carelessly promoted and deserved to be nipped in the bud.

Consider the source!

What "facts" defused it?

 

[MisterBeale]

Yeah, we can use nuclear. Sunshine and unicorn farts, on the other hand, won't get it.

Pointless discussing with him. He is either a shill or hopelessly brainwashed.

 

[MisterBeale]

Power utilities have been switching to natural gas to get off of using coal. The carbon content of natural gas is half of what coal contains, so abolishing the use of natural gas will only aggravate the problem.

Sunshine and unicorn farts have not demonstrated themselves to be feasible alternatives at this point.

It has never been about the Co2.

That is a canard.

It has always been about power and money.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That whole Co2, global climate change paradigm is a scam, I think that is the point here though.

Dang we are an embarrasisng country right now.

 

[bripat9643]

Dang we are an embarrasisng country right now.

How is that, because we aren't thoroughly brainwashed?