Standardized Testing Is Essential to Education

[DGS49]

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As Leftists institutions have gradually diminished the importance of standardized testing (e.g., the SAT) in the admissions process, they have lost their ability to accept the Best and the Brightest. This development is mainly the result of the fact that armies of public school teachers have long resented the fact that THEY sucked at standardized tests.

The basic fact remains: The only way to ascertain whether a student has learned anything is a TEST, and the only way to make tests efficacious is to standardize them across the population.

The Everybody-Gets-a-Trophy crowd continues destroying the culture.

 

[SweetSue92]

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As Leftists institutions have gradually diminished the importance of standardized testing (e.g., the SAT) in the admissions process, they have lost their ability to accept the Best and the Brightest. This development is mainly the result of the fact that armies of public school teachers have long resented the fact that THEY sucked at standardized tests.

The basic fact remains: The only way to ascertain whether a student has learned anything is a TEST, and the only way to make tests efficacious is to standardize them across the population.

The Everybody-Gets-a-Trophy crowd continues destroying the culture.

Gosh that's really interesting.

Okay.

So some guy aces a TEST on your upcoming heart or brain surgery, but we have no ideas what his skills are.

You trust that? Because I do not.

 

[SweetSue92]

https://archive.is/UltFX

As Leftists institutions have gradually diminished the importance of standardized testing (e.g., the SAT) in the admissions process, they have lost their ability to accept the Best and the Brightest. This development is mainly the result of the fact that armies of public school teachers have long resented the fact that THEY sucked at standardized tests.

The basic fact remains: The only way to ascertain whether a student has learned anything is a TEST, and the only way to make tests efficacious is to standardize them across the population.

The Everybody-Gets-a-Trophy crowd continues destroying the culture.

Hey, good news. Your pilot just aced the FLY A PLANE TEST.

Never flown a plane.

You good with that? Buckle your seatbelt! Fun thread.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

Gosh that's really interesting.

Okay.

So some guy aces a TEST on your upcoming heart or brain surgery, but we have no ideas what his skills are.

You trust that? Because I do not.

Based on this response, you were probably in the lower 25th percentile.
I get it, those memories hurt. That's why we have women and minorities in charge of everything now.
So those memories won't live on in others... that's a girl... drink up...I know it tastes like wood...pretty soon you will sleep...sleeeeep.

 

[SweetSue92]

Based on this response, you were probably in the lower 25th percentile.
I get it, those memories hurt. That's why we have women and minorities in charge of everything now.
So those memories won't live on in others... that's a girl... drink up...I know it tastes like wood...pretty soon you will sleep...sleeeeep.

Actually I just checked. Way back in the day I took the ACT once, and liked my first score. A 26. Put me in the 86% percentile. Not a genius, but well above average.

(I do not and have never lied here, btw)

 

[the watcher]

The tests need to reflect the actual life experiences of the student and the future needs in society.

City of Los Angeles - Math Test​

A piece of humor about mathematical word problems, set in the context of an urban criminal environment.

THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES — HIGH SCHOOL MATH PROFICIENCY EXAM​

NAME: __________________

GANG: __________________

1. Johnny has an AK-47 with an 80-round clip. If he misses 6 out of 10 shots and shoots 13 times at each drive-by shooting, how many drive-by shootings can he attempt before he has to reload?
2. Jose has 2 ounces of cocaine and he sells an 8-ball to Jackson for $320 and 2 grams to Billy for $85 per gram. What is the street value of the balance of the cocaine if he doesn't cut it?
3. Rufus is pimping for three girls. If the price is $65 for each trick, how many tricks will each girl have to turn so Rufus can pay for his $800-per-day crack habit?
4. Jarone want to cut his 1/2 pound of heroin to make 20% more profit. How many ounces of cut will he need?
5. Willie gets $200 for stealing a BMW, $50 for a Chevy, and $100 for a 4X4. If he has stolen 2 BMWs, 3 4X4s, how many Chevies will he have to steal to make $800?
6. Raoul got 6 years for murder. He also got $10,000 for the hit. If his common-law wife spends $100 per month, how much money will be left when he gets out?
   Extra credit bonus: how much more time will he get for killing the ***** that that spent his money?
7. If an average can of spray paint covers 22 square feet and the average letter is 3 square feet, how many letters can be sprayed with 3 eight ounce cans of spray paint with 20% paint free?
8. Hector knocked up 3 girls in the gang. There are 27 girls in his gang. What is the exact percentage of girls Hector knocked up?
9. Thelma can cook dinner for her 16 children for $7.50 per night. She gets $234 a month welfare for each child. If her $325 per month rent goes up 15%, how many more children should she have to keep up with her expenses?
10. Salvador was arrested for dealing crack and his bail was set at $25,000. If he pays a bail bondsman 12% and returns to Mexico, how much money will he lose by jumping bail?
11. Bernie is a lookout for the gang. Bernie has a Boa Constrictor that eats 3 small rats per week at a cost of $5 per rat. If Bernie makes $700 a week as a lookout, how many weeks can he feed the Boa on one week's income?
12. Billy steals Joe's skateboard. As Billy skates away at 35 mph, Joe loads his .357 Magnum. If it takes Joe 20 seconds to load his magnum, how far away will Billy be when he gets whacked?

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[1srelluc]

Hey, good news. Your pilot just aced the FLY A PLANE TEST.

Never flown a plane.

You good with that? Buckle your seatbelt! Fun thread.

Well, it would be nice to know the applicant tested well enough to gain entry into a school to continue on with their studies to be a doctor instead of wasting everyone's time.

But hey:

 

[SweetSue92]

Well, it would be nice to know the applicant tested well enough to gain entry into a school to continue on with their studies to be a doctor instead of wasting everyone's time.

But hey:

That's not what the OP said though. He said, and I quote, the test is the ONLY way to ascertain what the student knows/has learned.

Oh man, it just begs to be lambasted, doesn't it?

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

Actually I just checked. Way back in the day I took the ACT once, and liked my first score. A 26. Put me in the 86% percentile. Not a genius, but well above average.

(I do not and have never lied here, btw)

So then you should understand that testing for aptitude is not the same as testing for competency,

I understand that you exist in a world of female emotion and mainly illusion, but there are measures.

These measures worked for many years before feeeeeeeeeeeelings got in the way.

 

[SweetSue92]

So then you should understand that testing for aptitude is not the same as testing for competency,

I understand that you exist in a world of female emotion and mainly illusion, but there are measures.

These measures worked for many years before feeeeeeeeeeeelings got in the way.

But that's not what the OP said, was it? He said the only way to see if the student has learned anything is A TEST.

Gosh, did you miss that because your feelings got in the way? Did you have big feelings about the score you imagined for me?

 

[Seymour Flops]

College admissions, I agree. It is true that test taking does not necessarily measure ability to do the job one would hope to be trained for in college. But it does predict success in test-heavy college courses.

But for elementary through twelfth grade, standardized state testing is a much greater hinderance to educating children than a benefit. The Cobra Effect dominates the preparation process for these tests and the preparation process takes up a large chunk of instruction time.

The Cobra Effect: Lessons in Unintended Consequences

Unintended consequences happen so often that economists call them “Cobra Problems,” after a famous historic example. In colonial India, Delhi suffered a proliferation of cobras. To cut the number of cobras, the local government placed a bounty on them. Can you guess what happened?

fee.org

 

[Hafar1014]

https://archive.is/UltFX

As Leftists institutions have gradually diminished the importance of standardized testing (e.g., the SAT) in the admissions process, they have lost their ability to accept the Best and the Brightest. This development is mainly the result of the fact that armies of public school teachers have long resented the fact that THEY sucked at standardized tests.

The basic fact remains: The only way to ascertain whether a student has learned anything is a TEST, and the only way to make tests efficacious is to standardize them across the population.

The Everybody-Gets-a-Trophy crowd continues destroying the culture.

The left controls the puclic schools and test scored have declined. They want to cover that up

 

[1srelluc]

That's not what the OP said though. He said, and I quote, the test is the ONLY way to ascertain what the student knows/has learned.

Oh man, it just begs to be lambasted, doesn't it?

No, I understood the OP perfectly.

My kick-ass comprehension skills does not mean I should have became a doctor.

 

[SweetSue92]

No, I understood the OP perfectly.

My kick-ass comprehension skills does not mean I should have became a doctor.

Well then no need for medical residency. If the student can pass the test--which the OP says is the ONLY way to ascertain what a student has learned--then good to go.

Imagine passing a test on heart surgery and then cracking open a chest cavity and going at it. Well, there it is. Doesn't matter what the senior doctors observed during residency; the student passed the test.

 

[JohnDB]

I took both....SAT and ACT....
Scored similar as SweetSue92 .....
Just under the lines of getting academic scholarships....
And for GenX....that meant the cost of tertiary education was going to be high....if you could somehow find a way to pay for it.
And affording college was tough. Jobs were not that plentiful. The same exact jobs that often go unfilled today....because there are not enough young people to go around.

Paying for bonehead English classes....
Paying for bonehead math classes.....
Totally DUMB....they taught this stuff for free in High school....but if you didnt learn it there you now gotta pay to learn it again.

But now....
Colleges are dumbing down educations? Graduates unable to read or write?
But put young people in > $100k debt?
Figures....faith in the system is just about gone.

 

[SweetSue92]

I took both....SAT and ACT....
Scored similar as SweetSue92 .....
Just under the lines of getting academic scholarships....
And for GenX....that meant the cost of tertiary education was going to be high....if you could somehow find a way to pay for it.
And affording college was tough. Jobs were not that plentiful. The same exact jobs that often go unfilled today....because there are not enough young people to go around.

Paying for bonehead English classes....
Paying for bonehead math classes.....
Totally DUMB....they taught this stuff for free in High school....but if you didnt learn it there you now gotta pay to learn it again.

But now....
Colleges are dumbing down educations? Graduates unable to read or write?
But put young people in > $100k debt?
Figures....faith in the system is just about gone.

I often wondering why college is still done the way we did it, back before the internet. Getting information in those days was slow, labor-intense, and often required multiple steps. Now you can get information at the snap of your fingers.

So rather than have college be a continuation of Getting Basic Knowledge, it should be used just as an intensive in your chosen field. IMO, fwiw....not much

 

[1srelluc]

Well then no need for medical residency. If the student can pass the test--which the OP says is the ONLY way to ascertain what a student has learned--then good to go.

Imagine passing a test on heart surgery and then cracking open a chest cavity and going at it. Well, there it is. Doesn't matter what the senior doctors observed during residency; the student passed the test.

You are just torqued that I understood what the OP was saying and you didn't.

Best you just leave it be.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

But that's not what the OP said, was it? He said the only way to see if the student has learned anything is A TEST.

Gosh, did you miss that because your feelings got in the way? Did you have big feelings about the score you imagined for me?

You are correct.

But I don't understand how you derived

So some guy aces a TEST on your upcoming heart or brain surgery, but we have no ideas what his skills are.

From this...

The basic fact remains: The only way to ascertain whether a student has learned anything is a TEST, and the only way to make tests efficacious is to standardize them across the population.

What does 'skill' have to do with the standardization of testing?
By skill, do you mean hand-eye coordination and task qualification gained through residency?

Two different arguments.
Yours makes no sense and is grounded in pointless, useless female emotion.
You fear standardization because you know it will confirm what you already know.

Some groups are simply inferior to others at certain things.

 

[rightwinger]

I used to do well on standardized tests
Much of it was test taking skills not mastery of the subject

Time management
Probability
Eliminate wrong answers
Plug in answers to math problems
Educated guessing

 

[sparky]

So i gotta ask....is there a metric that exists that validates competency?

~S~