Standardized Testing Is Essential to Education

[SweetSue92]

useless female emotion.

I have plenty of rational arguments on that based on 32 years of teaching, during which I won awards, was published, and was rated Highly Effective year after year.

But due to the above statement, you clearly don't deserve my rational arguments.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

So i gotta ask....is there a metric that exists that validates competency?

~S~

Why is everyone overthinking this?
If it's a 'standardized' test, the set range(s), if achieved, would validate competency.

 

[JoeB131]

https://archive.is/UltFX

As Leftists institutions have gradually diminished the importance of standardized testing (e.g., the SAT) in the admissions process, they have lost their ability to accept the Best and the Brightest. This development is mainly the result of the fact that armies of public school teachers have long resented the fact that THEY sucked at standardized tests.

The basic fact remains: The only way to ascertain whether a student has learned anything is a TEST, and the only way to make tests efficacious is to standardize them across the population.

The Everybody-Gets-a-Trophy crowd continues destroying the culture.

Actually, the biggest problem with standardized testing is that the teachers start teaching to the test.

The problem with standardized testing is that it favors the affluent. Rich white people can afford SAT coaches.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

I have plenty of rational arguments on that based on 32 years of teaching, during which I won awards, was published, and was rated Highly Effective year after year.

But due to the above statement, you clearly don't deserve my rational arguments.

That's emotional shit.

Define skill as you interpret it in relation to his statement on standardized testing.

 

[frigidweirdo]

https://archive.is/UltFX

As Leftists institutions have gradually diminished the importance of standardized testing (e.g., the SAT) in the admissions process, they have lost their ability to accept the Best and the Brightest. This development is mainly the result of the fact that armies of public school teachers have long resented the fact that THEY sucked at standardized tests.

The basic fact remains: The only way to ascertain whether a student has learned anything is a TEST, and the only way to make tests efficacious is to standardize them across the population.

The Everybody-Gets-a-Trophy crowd continues destroying the culture.

I disagree. I worked in Austria and they didn't have standardized in high school. Teachers set the tests. Universities accepted anyone who did well in a test, except for certain courses where you'd need to take a university test to get in.

Testing can be useful, but when education becomes about learning to pass a test, what are you learning?

 

[sparky]

Why is everyone overthinking this?

well i had the notion to try my hand at brain surgery Gabe.... . ~S~

 

[frigidweirdo]

Gosh that's really interesting.

Okay.

So some guy aces a TEST on your upcoming heart or brain surgery, but we have no ideas what his skills are.

You trust that? Because I do not.

Teaching is a good example.

I knew two people who trained to be teachers. One had gone to a super prestigious college, could sit for hours upon hours and learn and regurgitate. The other went to an average college with average grades.

They both ended up at a high school in a deprived city and a school in a deprived part of that city. The prestigious college goer had a nervous breakdown by Christmas, the other, as far as I know, is still at that school 16 years later.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Some groups are simply inferior to others at certain things.

What, like MAGA?

 

[JohnDB]

I often wondering why college is still done the way we did it, back before the internet. Getting information in those days was slow, labor-intense, and often required multiple steps. Now you can get information at the snap of your fingers.

So rather than have college be a continuation of Getting Basic Knowledge, it should be used just as an intensive in your chosen field. IMO, fwiw....not much

Well,
What I learned the most was teaching myself how to learn....which in truth was the focus.
You are Absolutely correct in that information gathering was very difficult and tedious....now it's a mouse cluck away.
However....what should be being taught is how to vet the resources and information related to your chosen discipline of study....as well as how to implement that information and make it work.

We arent seeing that either.

I'm wondering what they are teaching the kids....or are some of these kids got more $$$ than sense.....or a bit of both?

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

What, like MAGA?

 

[sparky]

Testing can be useful, but when education becomes about learning to pass a test, what are you learning?

yup,,,,,

3 hr open book multiple guess test.....60Q's , 3 min each......tabs are available for the 'book' for quick ref. .......4 potential answers ....2 can be thrown out as they divert.....it boils down to the last 2 where there is a 'key' word that decides

one does not even need a deep understanding of subject material.....

~S~

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

well i had the notion to try my hand at brain surgery Gabe.... . ~S~

I'm not knockin' ya bud. It just seems so self-evident.
Maybe I'm under thinkin it?

 

[frigidweirdo]

yup,,,,,

3 hr open book multiple guess test.....60Q's , 3 min each......tabs are available for the 'book' for quick ref. .......4 potential answers ....2 can be thrown out as they divert.....it boils down to the last 2 where there is a 'key' word that decides

one does not even need a deep understanding of subject material.....

~S~

Sometimes you don't.

I did History when I was 17-18 and I got bad grades.

We were doing the Russian Revolution and this girl who got top grades came and said "When was the Russian Revolution?" And I asked "Which one?" And she said "There was more than one?"

There were three. But she didn't know to get her top grades, and I knew but got bad grades because I couldn't write a damn paper to save my life.

 

[citygator]

https://archive.is/UltFX

As Leftists institutions have gradually diminished the importance of standardized testing (e.g., the SAT) in the admissions process, they have lost their ability to accept the Best and the Brightest. This development is mainly the result of the fact that armies of public school teachers have long resented the fact that THEY sucked at standardized tests.

The basic fact remains: The only way to ascertain whether a student has learned anything is a TEST, and the only way to make tests efficacious is to standardize them across the population.

The Everybody-Gets-a-Trophy crowd continues destroying the culture.

There is a place for standardized testing but there are drawbacks too. The democratic party umbrella has a wide range of opinions on it.

• Most democrats support standardized testing as a valid tool for accountability and to ensure that historically disadvantaged students are not overlooked.
• Still many democrats particularly those in education argue that high stakes testing narrows the curriculum to "teaching to the test" and disproportionately penalizes low income students and minorities.

Both are right. We need to test for accountability but the tests cant become the full goal of the curriculum. It's simply about balance.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well,
What I learned the most was teaching myself how to learn....which in truth was the focus.
You are Absolutely correct in that information gathering was very difficult and tedious....now it's a mouse cluck away.
However....what should be being taught is how to vet the resources and information related to your chosen discipline of study....as well as how to implement that information and make it work.

We arent seeing that either.

I'm wondering what they are teaching the kids....or are some of these kids got more $$$ than sense.....or a bit of both?

Yes, I learned to do that on the internet. No school was going to teach me this. (Not to say had I gone to a good school that I wouldn't have learned this, but I didn't go to good schools, so I was never going to learn it).

What go me to use my brain was, unfortunately, the Columbine High School Massacre which got me on Yahoo political forums talking the 2nd Amendment.

 

[sparky]

Maybe I'm under thinkin it?

mmmmmaybe Gabe.....i'm still sittin' the fence....

and I knew but got bad grades because I couldn't write a damn paper to save my life.

i share your pain frigid........i was always 'good with my hands' ......no problem getting the square peg in square hole......just don't ask me to 'splain it.......~S~

 

[frigidweirdo]

mmmmmaybe Gabe.....i'm still sittin' the fence....


i share your pain frigid........i was always 'good with my hands' ......no problem getting the square peg in square hole......just don't ask me to 'splain it.......~S~

And look at Trump. Did he need good grades to do well in business? Nope, he just needed to be a total asshole. Do they have tests for that?

 

[SweetSue92]

Well,
What I learned the most was teaching myself how to learn....which in truth was the focus.
You are Absolutely correct in that information gathering was very difficult and tedious....now it's a mouse cluck away.
However....what should be being taught is how to vet the resources and information related to your chosen discipline of study....as well as how to implement that information and make it work.

We arent seeing that either.

I'm wondering what they are teaching the kids....or are some of these kids got more $$$ than sense.....or a bit of both?

So I was a music teacher, and I believe you're a chef. Both of these disciplines (well, i can only imagine yours from what little I know about cooking) require both good knowledge AND good skills. And learning to synchronize those is the learning of a lifetime, IMO. Disciplines like these do not grow from cramming for a test. They grow slowly over time, like a healthy tree, growing up and branching out as more knowledge and skills are acquired. THAT is what a test cannot measure....and it's the best kind of integrated learning.

 

[SweetSue92]

mmmmmaybe Gabe.....i'm still sittin' the fence....


i share your pain frigid........i was always 'good with my hands' ......no problem getting the square peg in square hole......just don't ask me to 'splain it.......~S~

But you learned it. You can DO it. Maybe a test can't measure that, but you acquired the skills and the knowledge to accomplish.

 

[SweetSue92]

That's emotional shit.

Define skill as you interpret it in relation to his statement on standardized testing.

I will just go on ignoring you for your man-tantrum while talking rationally with other posters here. You can mind that or don't mind it; believe me, I do not care.