Staggering Ohio loss ignites an identity crisis within the anti-abortion movement

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It appears that the anti-choice forces in Ohio, a Republican run state, are learning that, indeed, they are on the wrong side of history.



Anti-abortion forces suffered a staggering loss in Ohio’s special election this week. Now, in the aftermath of that defeat and others over the last year, the movement is grappling with how to forge ahead.
State and national conservatives offer a litany of competing explanations for why they were massively outspent and out-organized, and are butting heads on how to turn things around before November, when abortion will be on Ohio’s ballot directly. With no consensus on the real reason for the loss in a state dominated by Republicans, some are pleading with the GOP to move away from backing near-total bans with no exemptions to stave off further electoral disaster.
“We’re going to have to live with messier compromises going forward or risk this happening again and again,” said Patrick Brown, a fellow at the conservative Ethics and Public Policy Center who called Tuesday’s result a “five-alarm fire for the pro-life movement.”

“Some think that only a total ban is acceptable. But we see, over and over again, that such an uncompromising position doesn’t have support. There’s no political appetite for that,” he said.
 
The anti abortion folks have got it all wrong. They keep saying don't kill your baby. The women say it's not alive, it's not a baby and they don't want it. That mantra is what has to change before women stop hating their offspring.
 
It appears that the anti-choice forces in Ohio, a Republican run state, are learning that, indeed, they are on the wrong side of history.



Anti-abortion forces suffered a staggering loss in Ohio’s special election this week. Now, in the aftermath of that defeat and others over the last year, the movement is grappling with how to forge ahead.
State and national conservatives offer a litany of competing explanations for why they were massively outspent and out-organized, and are butting heads on how to turn things around before November, when abortion will be on Ohio’s ballot directly. With no consensus on the real reason for the loss in a state dominated by Republicans, some are pleading with the GOP to move away from backing near-total bans with no exemptions to stave off further electoral disaster.
“We’re going to have to live with messier compromises going forward or risk this happening again and again,” said Patrick Brown, a fellow at the conservative Ethics and Public Policy Center who called Tuesday’s result a “five-alarm fire for the pro-life movement.”

“Some think that only a total ban is acceptable. But we see, over and over again, that such an uncompromising position doesn’t have support. There’s no political appetite for that,” he said.
Read the referendum.

Issue 1 has absolutely nothing to do with abortion, moron.
 
Read the referendum.

Issue 1 has absolutely nothing to do with abortion, moron.
You should refrain from pejoratives like moron..when you have no idea what the issue is.
To wit, nit-wit, the Ref. that failed was all about changing the threshold for approving a change to the State constitution. That change being Pro-choice protections.

The issue is on the Ballot next election..and the anti's wanted to make it as difficult as possible for it to pass.
They failed, by a large margin. This bodes ill..for the anti-choice crowd.
There..are ya caught up now?
Moron~
 
Just think of all the unwanted leftists sucking off the ,gov tit from cradle to grave that would be around were it not for the utility of abortion.

The gop needs to tell the holy-rollers to FOAD, I mean where are they going to go?

To look at it another way.....The Evangelists somehow beat themselves in the head with a hammer to accept Trump so it should not be hard to whack themselves a few more times to accept the utility of abortion.

Indeed, it would be far better to concentrate on guardrails to the practice that normal folks can agree on.
 
It appears that the anti-choice forces in Ohio, a Republican run state, are learning that, indeed, they are on the wrong side of history.



Anti-abortion forces suffered a staggering loss in Ohio’s special election this week. Now, in the aftermath of that defeat and others over the last year, the movement is grappling with how to forge ahead.
State and national conservatives offer a litany of competing explanations for why they were massively outspent and out-organized, and are butting heads on how to turn things around before November, when abortion will be on Ohio’s ballot directly. With no consensus on the real reason for the loss in a state dominated by Republicans, some are pleading with the GOP to move away from backing near-total bans with no exemptions to stave off further electoral disaster.
“We’re going to have to live with messier compromises going forward or risk this happening again and again,” said Patrick Brown, a fellow at the conservative Ethics and Public Policy Center who called Tuesday’s result a “five-alarm fire for the pro-life movement.”

“Some think that only a total ban is acceptable. But we see, over and over again, that such an uncompromising position doesn’t have support. There’s no political appetite for that,” he said.
Fake News.

The reason the curtailing of the Citizen Backed Amendment Process failed in Ohio is exactly the same reason it is going to fail here in Missouri in 2024.

We LOVE the Citizen Backed Amendment Process and the Missouri legislature HATES it...and it's a super-majority of Republicans.

They HATE that we, the unwwashed masses, have the power to overrule them.

And we aren't going to have that power curtailed in any way.

Sure...a shortsighted viewer may say..."but, this will help defeat abortion"...but a wise person with a longer view will say...what about gun rights and hunting rights and property rights and farming rights etc, etc or whatever that we have fortified over the years by LESS than a 60% margin?

Are we willing to handicap ourselves?

And the answer is resoundingly NO!
 
It appears that the anti-choice forces in Ohio, a Republican run state, are learning that, indeed, they are on the wrong side of history.



Anti-abortion forces suffered a staggering loss in Ohio’s special election this week. Now, in the aftermath of that defeat and others over the last year, the movement is grappling with how to forge ahead.
State and national conservatives offer a litany of competing explanations for why they were massively outspent and out-organized, and are butting heads on how to turn things around before November, when abortion will be on Ohio’s ballot directly. With no consensus on the real reason for the loss in a state dominated by Republicans, some are pleading with the GOP to move away from backing near-total bans with no exemptions to stave off further electoral disaster.
“We’re going to have to live with messier compromises going forward or risk this happening again and again,” said Patrick Brown, a fellow at the conservative Ethics and Public Policy Center who called Tuesday’s result a “five-alarm fire for the pro-life movement.”

“Some think that only a total ban is acceptable. But we see, over and over again, that such an uncompromising position doesn’t have support. There’s no political appetite for that,” he said.
Touchy-Feely Totalitarians

The most fervent supporters of Prohibition, which was also a Christofascist movement, finally admitted it was unworkable and politically poisonous. So even they asked that it be repealed.
 
It appears that the anti-choice forces in Ohio, a Republican run state, are learning that, indeed, they are on the wrong side of history.



Anti-abortion forces suffered a staggering loss in Ohio’s special election this week. Now, in the aftermath of that defeat and others over the last year, the movement is grappling with how to forge ahead.
State and national conservatives offer a litany of competing explanations for why they were massively outspent and out-organized, and are butting heads on how to turn things around before November, when abortion will be on Ohio’s ballot directly. With no consensus on the real reason for the loss in a state dominated by Republicans, some are pleading with the GOP to move away from backing near-total bans with no exemptions to stave off further electoral disaster.
“We’re going to have to live with messier compromises going forward or risk this happening again and again,” said Patrick Brown, a fellow at the conservative Ethics and Public Policy Center who called Tuesday’s result a “five-alarm fire for the pro-life movement.”

“Some think that only a total ban is acceptable. But we see, over and over again, that such an uncompromising position doesn’t have support. There’s no political appetite for that,” he said.

They'll keep getting pounded into the dirt and still not figure it out. Pro-lifers are some of the worst ideologues out there. They're incapable of seeing past the nose on their faces and they don't care if they keep losing more and more elections to the Democrats over this issue because ultimately they think they're doing God's will. They can't be reasoned with. Goldwater warned about these people flocking to the GOP back in the 60s.
 
They'll keep getting pounded into the dirt and still not figure it out. Pro-lifers are some of the worst ideologues out there. They're incapable of seeing past the nose on their faces and they don't care if they keep losing more and more elections to the Democrats over this issue because ultimately they think they're doing God's will. They can't be reasoned with. Goldwater warned about these people flocking to the GOP back in the 60s.
It's soon to be a moot point...

Super Gonorrhea and other drug resistant STD's are on our doorstep.

From Bloomberg today August 10, 2023...

"A rise in gonorrhea infections has drugmakers racing to develop new therapies as the sexually transmitted infection increasingly evades the last medication that can effectively treat it.
Resistant strains are surfacing around the world, and experts say they’ll soon arrive in the US.

Two companies, GSK Plc and Innoviva Inc., have new antibiotics for gonorrhea in late-stage trials, with results expected in months.


Strains of the bacteria that cause gonorrhea have become impervious to nearly every treatment. In the US, an injection called ceftriaxone is the last antibiotic the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention still recommends for the disease. Even that drug has failed to treat patients in France, Japan, the UK and several other countries.

Archived link ...

https://archive.is/r3ZOW

Link to NBC article detailing other STDs like syphilis becoming untreatable...

 
They'll keep getting pounded into the dirt and still not figure it out. Pro-lifers are some of the worst ideologues out there. They're incapable of seeing past the nose on their faces and they don't care if they keep losing more and more elections to the Democrats over this issue because ultimately they think they're doing God's will. They can't be reasoned with. Goldwater warned about these people flocking to the GOP back in the 60s.
The vast majority of Americans favor some restrictions on abortions, so your proclamations are lies.


When polled, Americans don't favor a complete restriction on abortion, but at the same time, only 28% favor abortion after the first trimester, for example.

These sentiments vary from state to state, with the Southern states favoring more restrictions.

And children getting abortions without their parent's approval would be dead in the water in pretty much any state, which is why the Left is sneaking these provisions in without talking about them.

So, after the Left shoves their amendments down the throats of the red states with liberal verbiage on obtaining an abortion, probably up to partial birth abortion, then the red states need IMMEDIATLY to offer amendments of their own to put down specific restrictions, such as no abortions after first trimester and no children to have abortions without their parents' approval, etc.

So, losers like Goldwater who demean those of faith in such a way will eventually reap what they sow., just like he did.
 
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It was the only reason it was introduced.
Not the only reason.

THE PUBLICIZED reason.

IMO, the actual rationale behind the push was to limit the ability of citizens and to limit the effectiveness of any and all grassroots ballot initiatives, leading to the consolidation of more power and control to the state legislatures.

If you read the breakdown of Ohio Issue 1, you'll find..."the amendment would have affected all future efforts to change the Ohio Constitution"...by ballot initiatives.

This Issue wasn't put on the ballot by citizen petition...it was proposed and initiated when..."Ohio Republican lawmakers began their push to raise the bar for approving proposed amendments this spring".


While correlation does not equal causation...this article can certainly be interpreted in such a way as to illustrate the point...

 
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It appears that the anti-choice forces in Ohio, a Republican run state, are learning that, indeed, they are on the wrong side of history.



Anti-abortion forces suffered a staggering loss in Ohio’s special election this week. Now, in the aftermath of that defeat and others over the last year, the movement is grappling with how to forge ahead.
State and national conservatives offer a litany of competing explanations for why they were massively outspent and out-organized, and are butting heads on how to turn things around before November, when abortion will be on Ohio’s ballot directly. With no consensus on the real reason for the loss in a state dominated by Republicans, some are pleading with the GOP to move away from backing near-total bans with no exemptions to stave off further electoral disaster.
“We’re going to have to live with messier compromises going forward or risk this happening again and again,” said Patrick Brown, a fellow at the conservative Ethics and Public Policy Center who called Tuesday’s result a “five-alarm fire for the pro-life movement.”

“Some think that only a total ban is acceptable. But we see, over and over again, that such an uncompromising position doesn’t have support. There’s no political appetite for that,” he said.
They should top themselves and do society a favour.
 
Not the only reason.

THE PUBLICIZED reason.

IMO, the actual rationale behind the push was to limit the ability of citizens and to limit the effectiveness of any and all grassroots ballot initiatives, leading to the consolidation of more power and control to the state legislatures.

If you read the breakdown of Ohio Issue 1, you'll find..."the amendment would have affected all future efforts to change the Ohio Constitution"...by ballot initiatives.

This Issue wasn't put on the ballot by citizen petition...it was proposed and initiated when..."Ohio Republican lawmakers began their push to raise the bar for approving proposed amendments this spring".

The GOP should study the tactics of the Left and use them 100% of the time

For example, the Left impeached Trump which helped him lose an election.

Why is the GOP not doing the same?

And these Constitutional initiatives to inject abortion into the red states using outside money, all red states have to do is poll their red states and see which laws they can pass based upon a slight majority, anything from gun rights to the gender crap being banned from public schools.

If only the GOP were an opposition party.
 

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