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Soy Bean Farmers.....What is NEXT?
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Tommy Tainant
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I think fuckem should be the reward for voting trump. Fuckem!!
eagle1462010
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I think blowimg the lab off the face of the earth that gave Covid would be a nuce FAFO.
This is why we have a crop insurance program that nearly a century old. It’s amazing how little you dembots know about our country
Tommy Tainant
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Yes insurers will not underwrite trumps idiocy for long. Thats how insurance works. You will buy a lot of beans again.
Tommy Tainant
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Lol. So you pay for all of it. Enjoy them beans!!
Yes we have for centuries. Crop insurance is a great thing and one of the things are founders thought the govt should be involved it
Your ignorance is amazing on this topic
Tommy Tainant
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Farming is a risky game. Insurance is for acts of god not stupidity of the President. Enjoy them beans.
Winco
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Crop insurance does not cover situations where you:
- Can harvest a full crop but cannot sell it because of tariffs, embargoes, market disruptions, logistics issues, or buyer loss.
- Experience price declines due to trade policies, demand changes, or foreign retaliation (like China’s tariffs on soybeans).
Who's the dumbass now struth ?
Don't you feel foolish now, or do you have some amazing Kelly Conway type of Spin and 'Alternative Facts.'
Wrong, federal insurance pays for farmers imparted by foreign retaliatory tariffs
Educate yourself
We had a record farm bankruptes under xiden in 2024 and this was discussed
How Tariff Battles Impact Crop Insurance - AG INFORMATION NETWORK OF THE WEST
How would tariff payments affect crop insurance and coverage and decisions?
www.aginfo.net
Tommy Tainant
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Hes right you are dumb. American taxpayers will pick up the tab. Again.Wrong, federal insurance pays for farmers imparted by foreign retaliatory tariffs
Educate yourself
We had a record farm bankruptes under xiden in 2024 and this was discussed
How Tariff Battles Impact Crop Insurance - AG INFORMATION NETWORK OF THE WEST
How would tariff payments affect crop insurance and coverage and decisions?
As they have for crop insurance for decades, the current law was a new deal, fdr law, but the concept goes back to Washington and Jefferson
Winco
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Even your own link says..........Market Facilitation Program.
Unrelated to Crop insurance.
Yes — the Market Facilitation Program (MFP) is completely separate from crop insurance, and it served a very different purpose.
Here’s how it works and how it differs:
What the Market Facilitation Program (MFP) Was
The Market Facilitation Program was a temporary federal aid program created by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) in 2018 and 2019 under the Trade Mitigation Program.Purpose:
To compensate farmers for lost export sales and lower prices caused by foreign retaliatory tariffs, mainly during the U.S.–China trade war.
When countries like China, Canada, Mexico, and the EU imposed tariffs on U.S. farm goods (soybeans, pork, dairy, etc.) in response to U.S. tariffs, U.S. farmers suddenly lost key markets. The MFP payments were intended to offset some of those losses.
How MFP Worked
- Administered by the USDA’s Farm Service Agency (FSA) (not the RMA).
- Farmers applied for payments based on their actual production or acres planted of affected commodities.
- Payment rates were set per commodity (e.g., dollars per bushel, per head of livestock, or per acre).
- It was funded directly by the federal government, not by insurance premiums or claims.
- Soybean farmers received payments because China — the largest buyer — drastically cut purchases.
- Pork producers received payments for reduced exports.
- Payments varied by county depending on the degree of estimated tariff impact.
Not the Same as Crop Insurance
Here’s the key distinction:| Feature | Crop Insurance | Market Facilitation Program (MFP) |
|---|---|---|
| Administered by | USDA Risk Management Agency (RMA) | USDA Farm Service Agency (FSA) |
| Funded by | Farmer premiums (partly subsidized by federal government) | 100% federal government payments |
| Covers | Yield and revenue losses from natural causes or market price changes | Trade-war and tariff-related market losses |
| Permanent program? | Yes, ongoing federal insurance framework | No, temporary (only 2018–2019) |
| Triggered by | Weather, disease, or market price movements | Government action (tariffs, trade retaliation) |
In Summary
- The Market Facilitation Program was emergency aid, not insurance.
- It was separate from and unrelated to crop insurance.
- Farmers could receive both: crop insurance payouts for natural losses and MFP payments for tariff-related losses — but they came from different USDA agencies and for different reasons.
Winco
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Is the MFP a form of a government bailout?Wrong, federal insurance pays for farmers imparted by foreign retaliatory tariffs
Educate yourself
We had a record farm bankruptes under xiden in 2024 and this was discussed
How Tariff Battles Impact Crop Insurance - AG INFORMATION NETWORK OF THE WEST
How would tariff payments affect crop insurance and coverage and decisions?
ChatGPT said:
Yes — the Market Facilitation Program (MFP) is widely regarded as a form of government bailout for farmers, though the USDA didn’t use that term officially.Here’s what that means in practical terms:
Why It’s Considered a “Bailout”
A bailout typically means government financial assistance given to a specific sector to prevent serious financial harm caused by forces outside its control.That’s exactly what MFP was:
- The U.S.–China trade war (and other retaliatory tariffs) caused massive export losses for U.S. farmers.
- Farmers couldn’t control or predict those trade policies.
- To stabilize the farm economy, the federal government made direct cash payments to offset lost income.
The Scale of the Aid
- Between 2018 and 2019, MFP payments totaled roughly $23 billion.
- For comparison, that’s larger than annual federal crop insurance subsidies and roughly a third of total U.S. farm income in those years.
- The largest share went to soybean farmers, who were hit hardest by China’s tariffs.
Political Framing
- Supporters said MFP was a fair response to help farmers caught in a government-created trade conflict.
- Critics — including some economists and policymakers — said it was indeed a bailout, arguing it:
- Disproportionately favored certain crops (like soybeans).
- Wasn’t based on demonstrated losses per farmer.
- Set a precedent for large ad hoc payments outside regular farm programs.
In Short
Tommy Tainant
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Its more like a Failout.Is the MFP a form of a government bailout?
ChatGPT said:
Yes — the Market Facilitation Program (MFP) is widely regarded as a form of government bailout for farmers, though the USDA didn’t use that term officially.
Here’s what that means in practical terms:
A bailout typically means government financial assistance given to a specific sector to prevent serious financial harm caused by forces outside its control.
That’s exactly what MFP was:
So while USDA described MFP as “trade mitigation,” economically it functioned as a bailout — temporary aid to prevent a collapse in farm income.
- The U.S.–China trade war (and other retaliatory tariffs) caused massive export losses for U.S. farmers.
- Farmers couldn’t control or predict those trade policies.
- To stabilize the farm economy, the federal government made direct cash payments to offset lost income.
- Between 2018 and 2019, MFP payments totaled roughly $23 billion.
- For comparison, that’s larger than annual federal crop insurance subsidies and roughly a third of total U.S. farm income in those years.
- The largest share went to soybean farmers, who were hit hardest by China’s tariffs.
- Supporters said MFP was a fair response to help farmers caught in a government-created trade conflict.
- Critics — including some economists and policymakers — said it was indeed a bailout, arguing it:
- Disproportionately favored certain crops (like soybeans).
- Wasn’t based on demonstrated losses per farmer.
- Set a precedent for large ad hoc payments outside regular farm programs.
Winco
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A "Bailout" like MFP, is different than Crop Insurance.
So, answer this direct question.
Are you claiming that the farmers will be using their purchased "Crop Insurance" and the Insurance will pay the farmers because the farmers couldn't sell their crops because of trump's tariffs?
Don't spin it into something else.
Answer the question that was asked..... Yes or No.
Winco
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Where did struth go?Wrong, federal insurance pays for farmers imparted by foreign retaliatory tariffs
Educate yourself
We had a record farm bankruptes under xiden in 2024 and this was discussed
How Tariff Battles Impact Crop Insurance - AG INFORMATION NETWORK OF THE WEST
How would tariff payments affect crop insurance and coverage and decisions?
Is he out looking for backup to his ignorant posts?
"Fellow Trump Cult members........ I need some backup here, I'm getting destroyed and even though I, struth, am wrong, I need some help, can you (fellow Trump cult members) help me out and start calling these fact checkers LIARS and Ignorant."
Please Help..... struth
Tommy Tainant
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Trump wants to be FDR. Except he made the crisis.
WorldWatcher
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The good news is…
….. …..Soy beans are edible,
….. ….. ….. Meaning sit been farmers won’t starve.
WW
….. …..Soy beans are edible,
….. ….. ….. Meaning sit been farmers won’t starve.
WW
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