Southern Baptists disinvite Ben Carson to their Pastor's Conference

[Statistikhengst]

Southern Baptists canceled an event with Ben Carson. Here s why it matters. - The Washington Post

Southern Baptists find themselves in the midst of another political controversy over the upcoming appearance — now canceled — of Ben Carson at their Pastors’ Conference.

Carson is a celebrated neurosurgeon, conservative commentator and likely presidential candidate. A number of Baptist pastors, especially those affiliated with Baptist21, spoke out against Carson’s appearance. Their concerns were primarily that Carson, as a Seventh-Day Adventist, presumably holds doctrines that fit uneasily with evangelical theology.

Carson has also made statements about Muslims, Jews and Christians all being “God’s children,” perhaps implying that there are multiple paths to God. Hosting Carson and other Republican candidates, the critics said, continues to convey the impression that the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) is “in bed with the Republican Party,” as Baptist21 put it. Leaders of the Pastors’ Conference “mutually agreed” with Carson that he would withdraw.

This was a welcome outcome to what had the potential to be a serious snafu for the SBC. Whatever the organizers’ intentions, Baptist21 has this exactly right – hosting any political candidate carries a tacit implication of endorsement.

The decision is being praised and I think the SBC also did the right thing.

Discuss: what do you think about this?

I think all political operatives should be banned from religious services.....operatives like Rev Al Sharpton......Rev Jessie Jackson....Rep Elijah Cummings....President Barack Obama......etc....

agree. but don't think you'd see HEADLINES of Christians taking back their invite for the Dear Black leader, Obambam

OMG frikken frikken razzle-snazzle schprikken-dickin HEADLINES agian Christians taking (*bowel movement* *burp**shart*) Dear Black Leader theive gawt two gow GAWD

 

[NLT]

Southern Baptists canceled an event with Ben Carson. Here s why it matters. - The Washington Post

Southern Baptists find themselves in the midst of another political controversy over the upcoming appearance — now canceled — of Ben Carson at their Pastors’ Conference.

Carson is a celebrated neurosurgeon, conservative commentator and likely presidential candidate. A number of Baptist pastors, especially those affiliated with Baptist21, spoke out against Carson’s appearance. Their concerns were primarily that Carson, as a Seventh-Day Adventist, presumably holds doctrines that fit uneasily with evangelical theology.

Carson has also made statements about Muslims, Jews and Christians all being “God’s children,” perhaps implying that there are multiple paths to God. Hosting Carson and other Republican candidates, the critics said, continues to convey the impression that the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) is “in bed with the Republican Party,” as Baptist21 put it. Leaders of the Pastors’ Conference “mutually agreed” with Carson that he would withdraw.

This was a welcome outcome to what had the potential to be a serious snafu for the SBC. Whatever the organizers’ intentions, Baptist21 has this exactly right – hosting any political candidate carries a tacit implication of endorsement.

The decision is being praised and I think the SBC also did the right thing.

Discuss: what do you think about this?

I think all political operatives should be banned from religious services.....operatives like Rev Al Sharpton......Rev Jessie Jackson....Rep Elijah Cummings....President Barack Obama......etc....

agree. but don't think you'd see HEADLINES of Christians taking back their invite for the Dear Black leader, Obambam

OMG frikken frikken razzle-snazzle schprikken-dickin HEADLINES agian Christians taking (*bowel movement* *burp**shart*) Dear Black Leader theive gawt two gow GAWD

slurp slurp slurp, swallow....scat speaks

 

[TheOldSchool]

Good point! Just look at this sea of black people:

I wasnt trying to say that the SBC all black and you know it. Some liberals think that the SBC is all white and republican.

They are a group of people that want to set us back 100 years and write Christianity into the law.

Wrong. We are perfectly happy with Government intrusion into religion being prohibited. I tell you what. Next Christmas, feel free to put up a display of the nothing you believe in right next to my Christmas tree.

Great. So you're fine with religious intrusion into Government being prohibited too?

How is religion intruding into government?

How is government intruding into religion?

 

[TheOldSchool]

Question: Do Southern Baptists or Methodists, or Catholics or 7th Day Adventists, or Jews, for that matter, attempt to deny your right to be an atheist?

How many anti atheism threads are in the USMB archives, compared to the anti Judeo-Christian threads? Cripes! I thought you people were all for separation of Church and State.

That's the thing. Atheists and moderates support a separation of Church and State, as does the constitution and as did our founders. Christians want to write their religious beliefs into the law. Sorry some of us oppose that.

Wrong again. I don't want to write my beliefe into law, nor do I want you to write them out. Don't force me to abandon my principles to bake you a cake and we'll get along fine.

Don't break the law by illegally discriminating against your fellow citizens, and we'll get along fine too.

When sane people look at the Constitution, they do not see your right to force me to participate in what I consider a sin trumping the first Amendment to the US constitution.

My refusal to bake you a fucking cake in no way injures you. Please feel free to hop back in your car and on the next block, you'll find a bakery that has no problem granting your request, or are you just asking me to bake your cake because of the publicity it will generate and the lawsuit it may precipitate?

Why the hell would someone demand service from someone who is being forced to provide it? I know I'm in Alabama, but this is 150 years after the Civil War and I'm white.

You baking a cake in no way injures you. You illegally denying service injures citizens.

 

[Ernie S.]

I wasnt trying to say that the SBC all black and you know it. Some liberals think that the SBC is all white and republican.

They are a group of people that want to set us back 100 years and write Christianity into the law.

Wrong. We are perfectly happy with Government intrusion into religion being prohibited. I tell you what. Next Christmas, feel free to put up a display of the nothing you believe in right next to my Christmas tree.

Great. So you're fine with religious intrusion into Government being prohibited too?

How is religion intruding into government?

How is government intruding into religion?

You and the gays are trying to deny me the right to act on my religious convictions. Now. Answer MY question.

 

[Ernie S.]

Question: Do Southern Baptists or Methodists, or Catholics or 7th Day Adventists, or Jews, for that matter, attempt to deny your right to be an atheist?

How many anti atheism threads are in the USMB archives, compared to the anti Judeo-Christian threads? Cripes! I thought you people were all for separation of Church and State.

That's the thing. Atheists and moderates support a separation of Church and State, as does the constitution and as did our founders. Christians want to write their religious beliefs into the law. Sorry some of us oppose that.

Wrong again. I don't want to write my beliefe into law, nor do I want you to write them out. Don't force me to abandon my principles to bake you a cake and we'll get along fine.

Don't break the law by illegally discriminating against your fellow citizens, and we'll get along fine too.

When sane people look at the Constitution, they do not see your right to force me to participate in what I consider a sin trumping the first Amendment to the US constitution.

My refusal to bake you a fucking cake in no way injures you. Please feel free to hop back in your car and on the next block, you'll find a bakery that has no problem granting your request, or are you just asking me to bake your cake because of the publicity it will generate and the lawsuit it may precipitate?

Why the hell would someone demand service from someone who is being forced to provide it? I know I'm in Alabama, but this is 150 years after the Civil War and I'm white.

You baking a cake in no way injures you. You illegally denying service injures citizens.

While baking a cake is my hypothetical business, my religious convictions prohibit my participation and support of homosexual marriage. If you want a birthday cake with no gay message, stop by. I'll be happy to take your money.

 

[bodecea]

Good point! Just look at this sea of black people:

I wasnt trying to say that the SBC all black and you know it. Some liberals think that the SBC is all white and republican.

They are a group of people that want to set us back 100 years and write Christianity into the law.

Wrong. We are perfectly happy with Government intrusion into religion being prohibited. I tell you what. Next Christmas, feel free to put up a display of the nothing you believe in right next to my Christmas tree.

Great. So you're fine with religious intrusion into Government being prohibited too?

How is religion intruding into government?

Blue laws....laws against gay marriage.

 

[Ernie S.]

I wasnt trying to say that the SBC all black and you know it. Some liberals think that the SBC is all white and republican.

They are a group of people that want to set us back 100 years and write Christianity into the law.

Wrong. We are perfectly happy with Government intrusion into religion being prohibited. I tell you what. Next Christmas, feel free to put up a display of the nothing you believe in right next to my Christmas tree.

Great. So you're fine with religious intrusion into Government being prohibited too?

How is religion intruding into government?

Blue laws....laws against gay marriage.

Gay marriage is not marriage.

 

[Dot Com]

Welcome to sectarianism. Religion, the great divider.

^ that

religion is one of the preeminent causes of strife & wars.

 

[hadit]

They are a group of people that want to set us back 100 years and write Christianity into the law.

Wrong. We are perfectly happy with Government intrusion into religion being prohibited. I tell you what. Next Christmas, feel free to put up a display of the nothing you believe in right next to my Christmas tree.

Great. So you're fine with religious intrusion into Government being prohibited too?

How is religion intruding into government?

Blue laws....laws against gay marriage.

Gay marriage is not marriage.

That is true.

 

[TheOldSchool]

They are a group of people that want to set us back 100 years and write Christianity into the law.

Wrong. We are perfectly happy with Government intrusion into religion being prohibited. I tell you what. Next Christmas, feel free to put up a display of the nothing you believe in right next to my Christmas tree.

Great. So you're fine with religious intrusion into Government being prohibited too?

How is religion intruding into government?

How is government intruding into religion?

You and the gays are trying to deny me the right to act on my religious convictions. Now. Answer MY question.

If acting on your religious convictions means breaking the law and harming others then you have no right to do that. Sorry.

 

[TheOldSchool]

That's the thing. Atheists and moderates support a separation of Church and State, as does the constitution and as did our founders. Christians want to write their religious beliefs into the law. Sorry some of us oppose that.

Wrong again. I don't want to write my beliefe into law, nor do I want you to write them out. Don't force me to abandon my principles to bake you a cake and we'll get along fine.

Don't break the law by illegally discriminating against your fellow citizens, and we'll get along fine too.

When sane people look at the Constitution, they do not see your right to force me to participate in what I consider a sin trumping the first Amendment to the US constitution.

My refusal to bake you a fucking cake in no way injures you. Please feel free to hop back in your car and on the next block, you'll find a bakery that has no problem granting your request, or are you just asking me to bake your cake because of the publicity it will generate and the lawsuit it may precipitate?

Why the hell would someone demand service from someone who is being forced to provide it? I know I'm in Alabama, but this is 150 years after the Civil War and I'm white.

You baking a cake in no way injures you. You illegally denying service injures citizens.

While baking a cake is my hypothetical business, my religious convictions prohibit my participation and support of homosexual marriage. If you want a birthday cake with no gay message, stop by. I'll be happy to take your money.

Then your religious convictions are asking you to illegally discriminate against people of your choosing. That is not okay.

 

[Ernie S.]

Wrong. We are perfectly happy with Government intrusion into religion being prohibited. I tell you what. Next Christmas, feel free to put up a display of the nothing you believe in right next to my Christmas tree.

Great. So you're fine with religious intrusion into Government being prohibited too?

How is religion intruding into government?

How is government intruding into religion?

You and the gays are trying to deny me the right to act on my religious convictions. Now. Answer MY question.

If acting on your religious convictions means breaking the law and harming others then you have no right to do that. Sorry.

Yes I do, and the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution says that you can pass no law that says I don't. PERIOD
Can you not read? The first Amendment is very plainly written in language one might expect even a Liberal could understand.

 

[Ernie S.]

Wrong again. I don't want to write my beliefe into law, nor do I want you to write them out. Don't force me to abandon my principles to bake you a cake and we'll get along fine.

Don't break the law by illegally discriminating against your fellow citizens, and we'll get along fine too.

When sane people look at the Constitution, they do not see your right to force me to participate in what I consider a sin trumping the first Amendment to the US constitution.

My refusal to bake you a fucking cake in no way injures you. Please feel free to hop back in your car and on the next block, you'll find a bakery that has no problem granting your request, or are you just asking me to bake your cake because of the publicity it will generate and the lawsuit it may precipitate?

Why the hell would someone demand service from someone who is being forced to provide it? I know I'm in Alabama, but this is 150 years after the Civil War and I'm white.

You baking a cake in no way injures you. You illegally denying service injures citizens.

While baking a cake is my hypothetical business, my religious convictions prohibit my participation and support of homosexual marriage. If you want a birthday cake with no gay message, stop by. I'll be happy to take your money.

Then your religious convictions are asking you to illegally discriminate against people of your choosing. That is not okay.

Yes, it is. Please refer to the Bill of Rights.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Great. So you're fine with religious intrusion into Government being prohibited too?

How is religion intruding into government?

How is government intruding into religion?

You and the gays are trying to deny me the right to act on my religious convictions. Now. Answer MY question.

If acting on your religious convictions means breaking the law and harming others then you have no right to do that. Sorry.

Yes I do, and the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution says that you can pass no law that says I don't. PERIOD
Can you not read? The first Amendment is very plainly written in language one might expect even a Liberal could understand.

The first amendment allows you to say gays are evil and let's you deny writing speech you don't like on your cake. It does not give you the right to treat others unequally. Maybe you should re-read it.

 

[NLT]

How does not baking a gay cake harm gays......does it make them cry?

 

[TheOldSchool]

Don't break the law by illegally discriminating against your fellow citizens, and we'll get along fine too.

When sane people look at the Constitution, they do not see your right to force me to participate in what I consider a sin trumping the first Amendment to the US constitution.

My refusal to bake you a fucking cake in no way injures you. Please feel free to hop back in your car and on the next block, you'll find a bakery that has no problem granting your request, or are you just asking me to bake your cake because of the publicity it will generate and the lawsuit it may precipitate?

Why the hell would someone demand service from someone who is being forced to provide it? I know I'm in Alabama, but this is 150 years after the Civil War and I'm white.

You baking a cake in no way injures you. You illegally denying service injures citizens.

While baking a cake is my hypothetical business, my religious convictions prohibit my participation and support of homosexual marriage. If you want a birthday cake with no gay message, stop by. I'll be happy to take your money.

Then your religious convictions are asking you to illegally discriminate against people of your choosing. That is not okay.

Yes, it is. Please refer to the Bill of Rights.

I suggest you reread the Bill of Rights. There's nothing in there that allows you to label whoever you want as evil and therefore discriminate against them.

 

[TheOldSchool]

How does not baking a gay cake harm gays......does it make them cry?

How does baking a cake harm a religious person? Does it make their fingers tired?

 

[NLT]

How does not baking a gay cake harm gays......does it make them cry?

How does baking a cake harm a religious person? Does it make their fingers tired?

never claimed it did.

 

[Ernie S.]

How is religion intruding into government?

How is government intruding into religion?

You and the gays are trying to deny me the right to act on my religious convictions. Now. Answer MY question.

If acting on your religious convictions means breaking the law and harming others then you have no right to do that. Sorry.

Yes I do, and the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution says that you can pass no law that says I don't. PERIOD
Can you not read? The first Amendment is very plainly written in language one might expect even a Liberal could understand.

The first amendment allows you to say gays are evil and let's you deny writing speech you don't like on your cake. It does not give you the right to treat others unequally. Maybe you should re-read it.

I've read it hundreds of times. It still says:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof