Southern Baptists Finally Stand Up To Woke-Leftist Women In The Church

[Zincwarrior]

The SBC is a convention and not an association or any other hierarchical structure.

Meaning that there is no one who is a leader or acts in any leadership capacity.

Churches join with the SBC to help them and not to change them or just to access their resources.

These churches that were kicked out are the exact opposite from what the other members are there for. They were there to access resources and to change the dynamics of what the SBC is about. So....they had to go. They never agreed with the SBC. So basically these two churches lied.

Interesting. How do these churches disagree? This is not a criticism. I am less familiar with them.

Also is there a comparable NBC?

 

[JohnDB]

Interesting. How do these churches disagree? This is not a criticism. I am less familiar with them.

Also is there a comparable NBC?

Each church is autonomous completely. The Small Group Bible Studies (AKA Sunday School literature) is written by several subscribing pastors of subscribing churches....
There are other resources available for churches to get if they wish. But it's not a requirement.

There is a National Baptist Association....and they are NOT the same as the SBC and never have been. The SBC has the International Missions Board which is largest mission organization in the world...both in dollars and in missionaries. Domestically they have a huge missions program which includes the cooperative program which provides a cosigner for loans when a church can't get one from the bank on their own. And there's prison ministries, Indian reservation ministries, unwed mother programs and other things like that. Similar to all the things you see the salvation army doing but without any branding of the organization. (Which many people are shocked to learn about as there is NO Brand name organization....but a TON of small, seemingly independent organizations doing all kinds of altruistic work)

Then there's foreign missions...and again the SBC funds missionaries in every nation out there including one's we don't admit to publicly. (Because they would instantly get targeted to be killed or imprisoned)

This is what we agree upon when subscribing to the SBC....but we aren't strictly a missions group...we also collectively put together several small group Bible study literature series, various other study and reference materials and have even funded a comprehensive Bible Translation called the Holman Christian Standard Bible. It is one of the most complete comprehensive study bibles to date with notes, notations, and references.

Where we disagree often is in how our churches operate. (The newspapers get so much wrong) Female clergy are indeed allowed but not in a senior leadership role. As we generally don't send men into Women's Prisons and other roles that women are generally accepted by everyone to function in....such as children's ministries and women's ministries.

Some churches don't allow members who do not give to the church itself a position of leadership within the church itself....some do. It depends upon the church. Some churches are run by a board of Directors or elders and some are run by rotating Deacons....how much of a church is actually run by these groups is highly individualistic and some are just rubber stamps for the pastor. Some give the Pastor his marching orders explicitly. It just depends upon the Church itself. Each church is autonomous to operate as they see fit.
Generally speaking, some church Congregations refuse to bow heads if a woman tries to lead a prayer or sing if a woman tries to lead singing. Some will but most generally don't.

Each church sends 2 delegates to the SBC as it convenes. (The beginning, end, and fullness of the job of president is to bang the gavel to call the meeting to order....literally... that's the entirety of his function....but most use the title to help sell a book)

Everything is voted on. The only way to describe a SBC church is to say they are undefinable. Because the second you can...they are not acting in accordance with SBC guidelines. There exist a plethora of people who over the years tried to get the SBC to adopt a stated Theological system of Charismatics or Calvinism or some other system.....none have been successful because we are a convention and not an association. We agree where we agree and the rest is completely irrelevant and up to individual autonomous churches.

 

[JohnDB]

Interesting. How do these churches disagree? This is not a criticism. I am less familiar with them.

Also is there a comparable NBC?

Now in addendum to my previous answer Saddleback Church never did agree with the convention....except in lip service. They have a multi-million dollar budget every year and yet couldn't seem to ever afford to stroke a check to the IMB....in fact tried to get other churches to not give. I heard that some members of the church tried to send money through Saddleback to the IMB personally but the church intercepted the funds and kept them.

I've been a member of a church with a fraction of the membership Saddleback has and they sent a million dollars each year to the IMB and still had funds for two mission churches, funded local community youth sports programs, public discount daycare/preschool, and cash reserves of over 10 million. It wasn't a wealthy church either. Certainly not as wealthy as Saddleback is. And the expulsion wasn't just over female clergy either. It was the having LGBT leadership and promotion of LGBT values.
The SBC ain't having it. Like ever. The "female clergy" was just one of many issues that church had...and when the pastor gave Larry King all the wrong answers on National television....it didn't set well with their membership status. That's what set them on a path of getting tossed out.

 

[lennypartiv]

Glory !!! Get those sluts back in the kitchen.

Whoa, Tommy's been hit by the common sense truck.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

A woman is a person who was born with a vagina....

However, this does not define gender...if that woman wants to go thru life presenting as a man on the gender spectrum, so be it.....



Now back to why you are deflecting from the post like a bitch......are you a woman? Because that is a very feminine trait

 

[surada]

Southern Baptists vote to expel two churches led by female pastors

The decision paves the way to ban women from most leadership roles in the nation's largest Protestant denomination.

www.nbcnews.com

"The Southern Baptist Convention voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to finalize the expulsion of two churches from the nation's largest Protestant denomination for having female pastors. And the vote wasn't even close, according to the SBC's tally. Spurred on by arch-conservatives in the SBC, the 12,000 or so "messengers" who had gathered at their annual meeting in New Orleans voted by a 9-to-1 margin to seal the exit of California's Saddleback Church and a smaller congregation in Kentucky. Saddleback Church, a megachurch based in Southern California with a flock of around 23,000, was founded by Rick Warren, author of the bestselling phenomenon “The Purpose Driven Life.”

That vote, which was conducted Tuesday, set the stage for another vote Wednesday on a proposal to amend the SBC's constitution to tighten the ban on women from leadership roles. “I know sometimes there are churches where people wind up in biblical divorce," SBC President Bart Barber said before the vote was announced. “But we don’t throw divorce parties at church. And whatever these results are, I’m asking you, behave like Christians. While all Baptist churches are independent, the SBC’s official statement of faith says that the office of pastor is reserved for men. That said, The Associated Press reported that this is believed to be the first time the SBC has expelled any churches over having female pastors.”

About time someone in the clergy was willing enough to stand up to this woke-leftist-feminist agenda and put these broads back in their place. These churches needed to be expelled. Now if these churches were doing something like helping to cover up child sexual assault to protect the church, that is understandable -- but letting whores in the pulpit, that is unforgivable. God clearly states that these whores do not belong in places of leadership; this is true for the church and it is also true for other areas of society, like in the business world and in government. The minute you let a woman have too much power, then you are doomed as a religion, a community, a nation. If Republican candidates for office truly loved Jesus and the teachings of their faith, they would campaign on this message; they will be brave and not cower in fear to the leftists feminists and libtard cucks who are afraid of women..put your foot down, teach these women where they belong.

How disgusting even for the Baptists.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

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I guess you are another moron who doesn't know the difference between biological sex and gender

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

“gender” is a bullshit term invented by libs to get around the fact that there are only two sexes

I understand how scientific things disturbs the fragile feelings of religious fundamentalists...

Are yall still butt-hurt by the Earth not being flat?? Damn libs and their science

 

[Bob Blaylock]

I guess you are another moron who doesn't know the difference between biological sex and gender

I know the difference between sound science, and the insane delusions of fucked-up mental cases such as yourself.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

I understand how scientific things disturbs the fragile feelings of religious fundamentalists...

You believe that “science” supports the absurd premise that a man can be a woman.

You have no standing to speak of genuine science.

 

[MinTrut]

Nothing in the article says anything about being woke or leftist. Doesn't your religion say you shouldn't just make shit up like you just did?

Do you not know his shtick by now?

He agrees with you; his OPs are always facetious, mocking the views he's pretending to support.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

You believe that “science” supports the absurd premise that a man can be a woman.

You have no standing to speak of genuine science.

I said that gender and biological sex aren't the same...



"There exist only two sexes, which are fundamentally rooted in the binary classification between sperm and ova - Gender, on the other hand, is socially, culturally and personally defined. It includes how individuals see themselves (gender identity), how others perceive them and expect them to behave (gender norms), and the interactions (gender relations) that they have with others"

Now if you just want to say trans people are just mentally ill and blah blah blah...that's cool....I mean, that is what yall said about gay people in general, before yall lost that battle....

Now If a woman wants to identify as a man to the point she presents as a man - so be it, I don't really care.....




FOR EXAMPLE, remember when you dic suckers were so intimidated by a strong black woman as the First Lady -- yall called her a man?? .....even going so far as to claim she had a penis.....so either yall were just being full of shit or trans men do exist.....


PS: We all know the real reason yall call her a man is because you are too much of a bitch to call her what you really want to call her

 

[lennypartiv]

How disgusting even for the Baptists.

Don't they get to set their own rules?

 

[lennypartiv]

I thought we had freedom of religion in this country. Each church has their own set of beliefs. Each church gets to set up their own power structure.

 

[surada]

Southern Baptists vote to expel two churches led by female pastors

The decision paves the way to ban women from most leadership roles in the nation's largest Protestant denomination.

www.nbcnews.com

"The Southern Baptist Convention voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to finalize the expulsion of two churches from the nation's largest Protestant denomination for having female pastors. And the vote wasn't even close, according to the SBC's tally. Spurred on by arch-conservatives in the SBC, the 12,000 or so "messengers" who had gathered at their annual meeting in New Orleans voted by a 9-to-1 margin to seal the exit of California's Saddleback Church and a smaller congregation in Kentucky. Saddleback Church, a megachurch based in Southern California with a flock of around 23,000, was founded by Rick Warren, author of the bestselling phenomenon “The Purpose Driven Life.”

That vote, which was conducted Tuesday, set the stage for another vote Wednesday on a proposal to amend the SBC's constitution to tighten the ban on women from leadership roles. “I know sometimes there are churches where people wind up in biblical divorce," SBC President Bart Barber said before the vote was announced. “But we don’t throw divorce parties at church. And whatever these results are, I’m asking you, behave like Christians. While all Baptist churches are independent, the SBC’s official statement of faith says that the office of pastor is reserved for men. That said, The Associated Press reported that this is believed to be the first time the SBC has expelled any churches over having female pastors.”

About time someone in the clergy was willing enough to stand up to this woke-leftist-feminist agenda and put these broads back in their place. These churches needed to be expelled. Now if these churches were doing something like helping to cover up child sexual assault to protect the church, that is understandable -- but letting whores in the pulpit, that is unforgivable. God clearly states that these whores do not belong in places of leadership; this is true for the church and it is also true for other areas of society, like in the business world and in government. The minute you let a woman have too much power, then you are doomed as a religion, a community, a nation. If Republican candidates for office truly loved Jesus and the teachings of their faith, they would campaign on this message; they will be brave and not cower in fear to the leftists feminists and libtard cucks who are afraid of women..put your foot down, teach these women where they belong.

Southern Baptists chart difficult path on sexual abuse in the church | Chattanooga Times Free Press

Sexual abuse task forces have been on the move in the Southern Baptist Convention.

www.timesfreepress.com