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Unqualified people are police now. We are using second hand hires now. Everybody who has a job is held accountable for their actions. And when you're given a gun, badge and permission to take away a persons freedom or life, you shoulld be held to the utmost accountability. Don't take that paycheck if you can't take the scrutiny that comes with the job.Yep…the more the police are the target of democrat ire, the less number of qualified people will sign up. The smart people are going to see it’s not worth the BS and will do something else, then we’ll be left with the second hand hires.
It can still come back and bite you. For example, when buying a gun. Or applying for a job.No worries. When I was being processed into the Army they asked me about it. I told them what actually happened and they issued a 'waiver' and it magically went away, for the sake of recruitment.
You made this thread with regards to police in general, not just this incident. Hence your topic of “something has got to be done about the police”. The fact is, if you are a police, you will inevitably come across the situation where you may have to kill someone, even if it’s justified. The left has done such a good job of making a nationwide spectacle of every police shooting that, if you happen to be that officer, you now have to hesitate and consider the consequences of your actions.So instead of encouraging police to treat humans with resect, you would rather tell them them to stop being police than to stop breaking the laws they are hired to enforce.
Unqualified people are police now. We are using second hand hires now. Everybody who has a job is held accountable for their actions. And when you're given a gun, badge and permission to take away a persons freedom or life, you shoulld be held to the utmost accountability. Don't take that paycheck if you can't take the scrutiny that comes with the job.
Those 'numbers' are nothing but loaded nonsense. They do not account for any actions taken, a single bad officer or even bad act pollutes a whole department. Did the DOJ go back and survey again after corrective action? We don't know because all you post are is half truths or misinformation.Fuck that. Let me repost this.
From the Department of Justice: “84% of police officers have stated in a recent survey that they have directly witnessed a fellow officer using more force than was necessary.” “52% of police officers report that it is not unusual for law enforcement officials to turn a blind eye to the improper conduct of other officers.” “61% of police officers state they do not always report serious abuse that has been directly observed by fellow officers.” 43% of police offers agree with this sentiment: “Always following the rules is not compatible with the need to get their job done.”
Scope and scale that. Stop making excuses for bad police.
Two items to get a more real context;
I didn't take the time to look it up, but I assume more police have been killed here than in Norway, Finland, and Germany. What's your point?Two items to get a more real context;
1) How many police were killed inline of duty or connected with their duty in those countries: Norway, Finland, Germany ??? *
2) The USA is several times the size and population of those above three counties and standards, training , etc. varies per state, county, city across our nation. And again the question of how many USA police died in/on duty ?
*Norway and Finland for the most part have only one race/ethnic making most of their population. German does have a bit more of a mix, but no where as diverse as the USA. Population diversity is a key demographic in these numbers.
BTW, would be more informative if the other three gave numbers spanning the same range of years.
Why are some people this stupid?
People like you are the biggest roadblock to police reform. Why? Because you make everything about race and/or politics instead of focusing on the problem here which is government.It's just getting ridiculous. There has to be national standards created for policing. That's all there is to it.
Police pressured him to confess to a murder that never happened. Now, Fontana will pay him $900,000
The city of Fontana has agreed to pay nearly $900,000 to settle a federal lawsuit filed by a man who said police pressured him to falsely confess to a murder that never happened.
During a 17-hour interrogation in August 2018, Fontana Police Department officers questioned Thomas Perez Jr. about the disappearance of his father, whom Perez had reported missing. Officers alleged Perez had murdered his father and, when Perez denied the accusation, officers tried to convince him that he had forgotten the crime, according to a federal lawsuit, court records and video of the interrogation.
Throughout their lengthy questioning of Perez, officers used a variety of tactics aimed at goading him into confessing. They brought his dog into the interrogation room, told him the dog had walked through blood and would be sent away to be euthanized. They drove Perez to a dirt lot and asked him to walk around in search of his dad’s body. They told him that his father’s body was in a morgue.
“You murdered your dad,” one of the officers said, according to video of the interrogation. “Daddy’s dead because of you.”
At the 16-hour mark, Perez told police that he had gotten into an altercation with his father and had stabbed him.
But a major problem with that confession soon emerged: Perez’s father was alive and safe.
Police pressured him to confess to a murder that never happened. Now, Fontana will pay him $900,000
The city of Fontana has agreed to pay nearly $900,000 to a man who police 'psychologically tortured; into falsely confessing to a murder that never happened.www.latimes.com
Fuck that. Let me repost this.
From the Department of Justice: “84% of police officers have stated in a recent survey that they have directly witnessed a fellow officer using more force than was necessary.” “52% of police officers report that it is not unusual for law enforcement officials to turn a blind eye to the improper conduct of other officers.” “61% of police officers state they do not always report serious abuse that has been directly observed by fellow officers.” 43% of police offers agree with this sentiment: “Always following the rules is not compatible with the need to get their job done.”
Scope and scale that. Stop making excuses for bad police.
A reminder that "police"/LEO are not drafted into the job. It remains a voluntary occupation~career path. Higher the standard, without corresponding higher compensation, the lower the numbers likely seeking that position.Unqualified people are police now. We are using second hand hires now. Everybody who has a job is held accountable for their actions. And when you're given a gun, badge and permission to take away a persons freedom or life, you shoulld be held to the utmost accountability. Don't take that paycheck if you can't take the scrutiny that comes with the job.
apnews.com
The law allows certain non-citizens to apply for police officer jobs. But they must be legally authorized to both work and carry a firearm in the country. Immigration law experts say this includes lawful permanent residents, or green card holders, as well as those in the country with permanent legal status but not yet full citizens, such as refugees and asylees
www.cbsnews.com
Federal law states that only U.S. citizens can serve as police officers and deputies. But Illinois House Bill 3751 would change that for immigrants who are work-eligible under federal law.
The issue was #police killed by criminals versus # criminals killed by police. That would give a context of relative dangers to LEO per country.I didn't take the time to look it up, but I assume more police have been killed here than in Norway, Finland, and Germany. What's your point?
Of course we're more diverse than some of those other countries. What exactly are you trying to say here?
Yes, because something has got to be done about police. In this age and every other age, white cops have shot blacks because of race. Because whites can shoot at police and live. The left doesn't have a damn thing to do with what's on a motherfucking body cam. So just stop whining about what you percieve the left does. Police have lost their minds and people like you defending their punk asses is why. We need to get rid of qualified immunity and watch how police change whatt they do. When you know that you can beat and kill people withour facing consequences, we see shit like this. The stats show a problem. Try looking at them.You made this thread with regards to police in general, not just this incident. Hence your topic of “something has got to be done about the police”. The fact is, if you are a police, you will inevitably come across the situation where you may have to kill someone, even if it’s justified. The left has done such a good job of making a nationwide spectacle of every police shooting that, if you happen to be that officer, you now have to hesitate and consider the consequences of your actions.
In this age, if that situation happens to be a white cop shooting someone who is black, it doesn’t matter if it’s justified, the media and the left will paint it as a racist act, and this puts each officer in a dangerous situation.
So yeah,even a good cop could potentially run into a situation that could ruin his life…
So I say, it’s simply not worth it, there are many other careers that one can do that won’t give them the stress and politics of that job…so do something else I say.
The police have bought this on themselves. They are not above the law.For the record, IM2, I agree with you that police officers need to be better, I’ve seen and heard stories of thing that make them look like crap, but, the politics of being a police officer are simply not worth it anymore.
As time goes on, and with more eyes on the police, and people wanting to accuse them for every action they take, it puts them in a dangerous position of trying every opportunity to resist pulling that sidearm..even in situations where they should. That hesitation could get them killed
So, as more people see the politics of it, more will go elsewhere, but we need police, right? So they will have to look toward less qualified candidates to fill the gaps..or..non citizens…
Illinois will allow some non-citizens to be police. But only those authorized to work and own a gun
THE FACTS: Social media users are falsely claiming a new Illinois law will allow anyone who enters the country illegally to pursue a job in law enforcement.
I think this is happening in Illinois, Colorado, and California.. yep…that’s right, they are going to give non citizens the power to arrest…and potentially kill citizens..
But wait…there’s more!
Illinois legislation would allow non-U.S. citizens to become police officers
The bill has already passed the state House and Senate.
So, is this a states rights issue, or a federal law issue?
If it's more dangerous for police here then why would they need less training? How does that make sense?The issue was #police killed by criminals versus # criminals killed by police. That would give a context of relative dangers to LEO per country.
I didn't say or advocate for less training. Just pointing out the increased complications of recruiting.If it's more dangerous for police here then why would they need less training? How does that make sense?
If their job is more dangerous, then they should be required to go through more training.I didn't say or advocate for less training.
If it's more dangerous for police here then why would they need less training? How does that make sense?
If you think the police should be trained to kill without reservation then you're out of your fucking mind.Like Military, training to kill w/o reservation or political oversight.
