Some one please tell me how did they get the holy spirit in the OT ?

[MarathonMike]

Yup and some of these preachers will take a simple verse like in proverbs it says "dog vomit," they will spend an hour spin it/ change it all around and tell you it really says " God sent Jesus to die for you on the cross"

Right? Also It is particularly repugnant for people to quote Bible scriptures and "interpret" the words to fit a political agenda.

 

[kjw47]

Maybe so.

However, the gospels were written by dedicated Jews (inspired by God) who witnessed the destruction of Judea, the Temple, their way of life, and the persecution, slaughter, enslavement, and exile of hundreds of thousands of Jewish men, women and children.

You don't know that Jesus sent the sword, a curse in a cup of wine, to smite the nations?

Some teachers you have there....I'm sure that Jesus is very impressed. I am.


Do you really think that God loved the nations of Roman world so much that he sent his son to be crucified so they could continue to be vile and loathsome creatures for life with impunity as long as they celebrate his death and eat him in the form of a lifeless matzo made by human hands?

Yeah, right. I didn't buy that load of crap in the second grade. What excuse does any adult have?

They were no longer apart of the Israelite religion. Jesus told off the Israelite spiritual leaders at Matt 23, in verse 38 it clearly states-Your house has been abandoned to you--verse 39 the way to Get back into Gods good graces-Bless the one whom he sent to them-Its been over 1950 years-they outright refuse. They saw Jesus new religion come-Acts 24:5
As well the renting of the banner the moment Jesus died signified they were no longer Gods chosen.
The religion that came out of Rome did not have Jesus. Their own translating exposes them as false.

 

[kjw47]

As well you should. They hate disinformation...

Every word in my post backed by the bible. so no misinformation.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus told off the Israelite spiritual leaders

Yeah so what. He upbraided the 1%, the elite, and educated and healed the rest of the Jewish people who were open to his teaching. No one ever stops being Jewish even if under a curse.

Everyone who first recognized him as the Messiah were Jewish and in the same boat as Jesus doofus. He taught the secrets of the Kingdom that were being kept from Jewish laity by the elite.

No longer part of the Israelite religion? Pft and Sheesh. How in hell did your teachers get you to stop thinking rationally?

Nevermind. I already know...

Have you lifted your skirt for every religion that ever winked at you?

 

[Clyde 154]

They were no longer apart of the Israelite religion. Jesus told off the Israelite spiritual leaders at Matt 23, in verse 38 it clearly states-Your house has been abandoned to you--verse 39 the way to Get back into Gods good graces-Bless the one whom he sent to them-Its been over 1950 years-they outright refuse. They saw Jesus new religion come-Acts 24:5
As well the renting of the banner the moment Jesus died signified they were no longer Gods chosen.
The religion that came out of Rome did not have Jesus. Their own translating exposes them as false.

The faithful Jews were still the chosen of God......as Christianity was preached expressly to the Jews for the 1st ten years of its existence. They were simply known by a NEW NAME....they were first called Christians at Antioch -- Acts 11:26 (Just as a "remnant") was saved by God in the OT when God vanquished Israel from the promised land because of their "grievousness" sins....and because of His Longsuffering He allowed a few (only a remnant of the faithful) to return to the promised land after but 70 years of exile.........a broken jar, pieced back together like a potter repairs a broken pot.......never to be whole or complete ever again. (Jer. 25:8-13, Isa. 10:20-23) and (Jer. 7: 7-13)

God had promised to make a new covenant with Israel, unlike the Covenant of Moses (Jer. 31:31-34) And the birth, life, death and resurrection of Christ Jesus fulfilled this prophecy of Jerimah. As the scriptures pointed out, "The Law (of Moses) and the Prophets (the law preceding the covenant of Moses) were UNTIL JOHN (the Baptist), since that time the kingdom of God (i.e, the church of Christ that He constructed) has been preached (as in Thy Kingdom Come -- Matt. 6:10 ), and every man presseth into it." -- Luke 16:16

Today a new reality exists, "For ye are all children of God by faith in Christ Jesus, "For as many as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek (Gentile), there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. AND IF YE BE CHRIST'S, THEN ARE YE ABRAHAM'S SEED AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE." -- Gal. 3:26-29. Thus, if you are the seed of father Abraham you are the chosen people of God, the God of Abraham.

The Kingdom of God has been on earth for well over 2000 years now, and its ruled over by Jesus Christ sitting on the throne of David at the right hand of God in heaven above. Just as described in Acts (2). Its a spiritual kingdom as God has forbidden any descendent of King Jeconiah (he was so evil that God cursed his lineage) to ever physically set on the throne of David on earth. (Jer.22:24-30). Jesus' lineage goes directly through that former evil king, but his physical lineage goes through another line of David (Luke 1:32-33).

Only by adoption could both prophecies come true. That Jesus would sit on the throne of David as promised, and yet God's curse on the lineage of Jerconiah was still intact, as Jesus is ruling over His kingdom, not on earth, but on the throne of David in heaven at the right hand of God. (Act 2). Jesus' line is forever cursed in being allowed to sit in rule in a physical sense in Jerusalem or anywhere on earth. Jesus rules until death is defeated at the final judgement (Hades: the abode of the dead, gives up its dead -- Rev. 20:13) then the kingdom is handed back to Father God (1 Cor. 15:24)

 

[kjw47]

Yeah so what. He upbraided the 1%, the elite, and educated and healed the rest of the Jewish people who were open to his teaching. No one ever stops being Jewish even if under a curse.

Everyone who first recognized him as the Messiah were Jewish and in the same boat as Jesus doofus. He taught the secrets of the Kingdom that were being kept from Jewish laity by the elite.

No longer part of the Israelite religion? Pft and Sheesh. How in hell did your teachers get you to stop thinking rationally?

Nevermind. I already know...

Have you lifted your skirt for every religion that ever winked at you?

Name calling is very immature. 10 year olds are good at that.
Not that many listened to Jesus. No he did not heal the rest of them. All who listened to the Israelite leaders were lost as well. The Israelite religion has outright refused to do verse Matt 23: 39. Where have you been all your life? Its only been over 1950 years. They would have to admit they had Gods son killed, they wont. So lets keep it real.

 

[kjw47]

The faithful Jews were still the chosen of God......as Christianity was preached expressly to the Jews for the 1st ten years of its existence. They were simply known by a NEW NAME....they were first called Christians at Antioch -- Acts 11:26 (Just as a "remnant") was saved by God in the OT when God vanquished Israel from the promised land because of their "grievousness" sins....and because of His Longsuffering He allowed a few (only a remnant of the faithful) to return to the promised land after but 70 years of exile.........a broken jar, pieced back together like a potter repairs a broken pot.......never to be whole or complete ever again. (Jer. 25:8-13, Isa. 10:20-23) and (Jer. 7: 7-13)

God had promised to make a new covenant with Israel, unlike the Covenant of Moses (Jer. 31:31-34) And the birth, life, death and resurrection of Christ Jesus fulfilled this prophecy of Jerimah. As the scriptures pointed out, "The Law (of Moses) and the Prophets (the law preceding the covenant of Moses) were UNTIL JOHN (the Baptist), since that time the kingdom of God (i.e, the church of Christ that He constructed) has been preached (as in Thy Kingdom Come -- Matt. 6:10 ), and every man presseth into it." -- Luke 16:16

Today a new reality exists, "For ye are all children of God by faith in Christ Jesus, "For as many as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek (Gentile), there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. AND IF YE BE CHRIST'S, THEN ARE YE ABRAHAM'S SEED AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE." -- Gal. 3:26-29. Thus, if you are the seed of father Abraham you are the chosen people of God, the God of Abraham.

The Kingdom of God has been on earth for well over 2000 years now, and its ruled over by Jesus Christ sitting on the throne of David at the right hand of God in heaven above. Just as described in Acts (2). Its a spiritual kingdom as God has forbidden any descendent of King Jeconiah (he was so evil that God cursed his lineage) to ever physically set on the throne of David on earth. (Jer.22:24-30). Jesus' lineage goes directly through that former evil king, but his physical lineage goes through another line of David (Luke 1:32-33).

Only by adoption could both prophecies come true. That Jesus would sit on the throne of David as promised, and yet God's curse on the lineage of Jerconiah was still intact, as Jesus is ruling over His kingdom, not on earth, but on the throne of David in heaven at the right hand of God. (Act 2). Jesus' line is forever cursed in being allowed to sit in rule in a physical sense in Jerusalem or anywhere on earth. Jesus rules until death is defeated at the final judgement (Hades: the abode of the dead, gives up its dead -- Rev. 20:13) then the kingdom is handed back to Father God (1 Cor. 15:24)

Few listened to Jesus. As all who read, Saul was going around yanking followers out of their houses and having them beaten up and imprisoned. They as well Murdered the apostles and then the followers. Nero was hanging them up and setting them on fire to light the road to the city, They were put in the colosseum as a public spectacle in with wild animals while the wicked cheered it on. How many followed Jesus when that was occurring? Over a million Israelites were slaughtered 70ad. Romans had the city surrounded but could not break through. The romans left, All who listened to Jesus fled the city. All still followers of The Israelite religion stayed and were slaughtered when the Romans came back. The stories say, no food could get in, they were eating their children.

 

[JustAGuy1]

This is another question I can't figure out, stupid Paul says you need the holy sport in you to say the word out loud "lord" and the only way you can get the holy spirit in you is to be born again (Romans 10:9, 10:10)

So how does that work?

And how did they get the holy spirit in the OT if Jesus wasn't born and died yet to release his spirit? Read the book of acts.

Yea I know Genesis one says the spirit of God was hovering over the surface...

Moses placed his hands on Joshua and gave him the spirit (where did Moses get the spirit from? )

Luke 2:35 says some guy named simeon held Jesus up as a baby and he had the holy spirit in him. Mary and Elizabeth got the spirit with Jesus and John the Baptist in their womb..

There was no indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the OT. He hadn't been sent for that yet.

 

[hobelim]

Name calling is very immature. 10 year olds are good at that.
Not that many listened to Jesus. No he did not heal the rest of them. All who listened to the Israelite leaders were lost as well. The Israelite religion has outright refused to do verse Matt 23: 39. Where have you been all your life? Its only been over 1950 years. They would have to admit they had Gods son killed, they wont. So lets keep it real.

OK, so if you are not a doofus speaking out of your ass then tell me what is the only way that leads to eternal life? Here's your chance! Testify! Just don't lie. I heard that God could be a little testy.

And forget about first century Jews, they had their chance. Get over it already. And you can't impune all Jewish people forever for what a few did 2000 years ago. That's insane. Ever since 325c.e. all Jewish people have been right to reject the trinity and the false Jesus that claimed to be God in human form, a bald faced lie perpetuated by the churches who, like you, malign them to this day. You should be praising them and thanking them. Damn. Some people just have no class.

Worry about yourself and your children for the coming consequences for your own failures.

When are you going to do Matthew 23:39?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

If you read the new testament specifically the book of acts it says how you get the holy spirit, it was from Jesus dying

It doesn't say that. You're mixing up a lot of things and not "rightly dividing the word of truth"

 

[kjw47]

OK, so if you are not a doofus speaking out of your ass then tell me what is the only way that leads to eternal life? Here's your chance! Testify! Just don't lie. I heard that God could be a little testy.

And forget about first century Jews, they had their chance. Get over it already. And you can't impune all Jewish people forever for what a few did 2000 years ago. That's insane. Ever since 325c.e. all Jewish people have been right to reject the trinity and the false Jesus that claimed to be God in human form, a bald faced lie perpetuated by the churches who, like you, malign them to this day.

Worry about yourself and your children for the coming consequences for your own failures.

When are you going to do Matthew 23:39?

Jesus allready answered that-- John 17:1-6,26 a prayer to his Father)-- verse3-This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father), the one who sent Jesus( John 5:30) as THE ONLY TRUE GOD and know Jesus. verse 6= YHWH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHWH( Jehovah)
Not only learning but obeying his Fathers will-Matthew 7:21. And not practice sin-Paul was clear at Hebrews 10:26--there is no sacrifice left for any who practice a sin.
Everytime Jesus healed someone, when they left he said-Go sin no more, he meant it.

 

[Clyde 154]

Few listened to Jesus. As all who read, Saul was going around yanking followers out of their houses and having them beaten up and imprisoned. They as well Murdered the apostles and then the followers. Nero was hanging them up and setting them on fire to light the road to the city, They were put in the colosseum as a public spectacle in with wild animals while the wicked cheered it on. How many followed Jesus when that was occurring? Over a million Israelites were slaughtered 70ad. Romans had the city surrounded but could not break through. The romans left, All who listened to Jesus fled the city. All still followers of The Israelite religion stayed and were slaughtered when the Romans came back. The stories say, no food could get in, they were eating their children.

As the scriptures detailed.........only a "remnant" of the faithful were converted to Christianity. The rest were destroyed because of their "Grievousness" sins against Christ and the truth being delivered from heaven. Jesus warned the Jews that the majority of all Israelites would be lost and Israel destroyed because of their sinful ways. (Luke 19:43-44). In Matthew Jesus makes it clear that this destruction would come in that very generation in the 1st century, "Assuerdly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away until all is fulfilled." -- Matthew 23:36, 24:34.

Then Jesus begins to discuss the final judgment upon all mankind. In Matthew 24:35, Jesus warned His disciples that these things would take place (the destruction of Jerusalem and Israel.......then The Christ begins to discuss a question asked by one of His disciples eariler........when will the final judgement come. Jesus told him when He transitioned to the topic of the end of the world...that not even He would know when that day was to come (Matt.24:36). He had just completed giving very detailed information about the destruction of Jerusalem, thus He could not have been referring to the end of the world previously but rather was speaking of the fall of Jerusalem and Isarel. From Matt. 24:36 on Jesus is addressing the end of days or THAT DAY.

He declares that everything would look normal and there would be no warning signs as He had just discussed concerning the fall of Jerusalem. Matthew 24:37-39. Therefore one must be prepared like each day is the last (Matthew 24:42-35)

Jesus warned them of the signs that would come before the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem. This destruction spoken of by Jesus would be limited to Jerusalem and the nation of Israel. (Matt.23 25, Jesus warned and scolded them) in (Matt 24:1-2) Jesus begins to speak to His disciples in describing how very shortly not a stone would be left unturned in the Temple they were looking at.

Biblical Isarel was destroyed in the 1st century.......with its peoples either killed or scattered around the then known world, just as Jesus prophesied and their nation was given to another nation. "The kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a peoples PRODUCING THE FRUIT OF IT." -- Matt. 21:43. The nation was given to the faithful remnant of the loyal Jews who accepted Christianity.

Modern Israel is nothing like the Israel described in the Bible. There is no God appointed King....modern Israel is ruled over by a man made government. There are no Tribal IDs...........no Royal Tribe of Priests such as the Lev., There are no animal sacrifices annually.....Modern Israel is a mirrored reflection of Israel when you look through it darkly...its a fake created and maintained by MEN.

Is Israel eternally lost? Of course not, all they need do is accept Jesus as the Christ of prophecy, until such time they are just as lost as is any sinner who is not covered in the Blood of Christ Jesus for the remission of sin. There is only one advocate standing between God and man's sin,,,,,,,,,and that is Christ Jesus who stated it very clearly, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by Me." -- John 14:6

 

[hobelim]

Everytime Jesus healed someone, when they left he said-Go sin no more, he meant it.

Right. And the Pharisees called Jesus a sinner drunk and glutton who 'keeps company with prostitutes" and they were right if the law is to be taken literally.

Even after Jesus was baptized by John as a token of repentance for the forgiveness of sins he didn't stop drinking and partying, keeping bad company, and hanging around with prostitutes.

What does that tell you? Jesus has a different take on the meaning of the law, they the Pharisees were the sinners, Jesus always did exactly as God commanded and so there was no sin in him even when he was partying with "sinners"

 

[Indeependent]

This is another question I can't figure out, stupid Paul says you need the holy sport in you to say the word out loud "lord" and the only way you can get the holy spirit in you is to be born again (Romans 10:9, 10:10)

So how does that work?

And how did they get the holy spirit in the OT if Jesus wasn't born and died yet to release his spirit? Read the book of acts.

Yea I know Genesis one says the spirit of God was hovering over the surface...

Moses placed his hands on Joshua and gave him the spirit (where did Moses get the spirit from? )

Luke 2:35 says some guy named simeon held Jesus up as a baby and he had the holy spirit in him. Mary and Elizabeth got the spirit with Jesus and John the Baptist in their womb..

The word Roo-Ach does not mean Spirit.
Roo-Ach is defined as a continuous flow of anything that is constantly receiving and giving.
The constant interaction between God and His creation and creation and God allows for a deserved level of communication between the two.
Moshe could give from his Roo-Ach connection with God but could not give his full connection with God because, as the Torah specifies, no one can override God's communication with Moshe (The Torah).

What I really don't get is the quotes from the NT sound like Greek and Latin gibberish from an Exorcist movie.
Can't people just communicate like humans?

 

[kjw47]

As the scriptures detailed.........only a "remnant" of the faithful were converted to Christianity. The rest were destroyed because of their "Grievousness" sins against Christ and the truth being delivered from heaven. Jesus warned the Jews that the majority of all Israelites would be lost and Israel destroyed because of their sinful ways. (Luke 19:43-44). In Matthew Jesus makes it clear that this destruction would come in that very generation in the 1st century, "Assuerdly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away until all is fulfilled." -- Matthew 23:36, 24:34.

Then Jesus begins to discuss the final judgment upon all mankind. In Matthew 24:35, Jesus warned His disciples that these things would take place (the destruction of Jerusalem and Israel.......then The Christ begins to discuss a question asked by one of His disciples eariler........when will the final judgement come. Jesus told him when He transitioned to the topic of the end of the world...that not even He would know when that day was to come (Matt.24:36). He had just completed giving very detailed information about the destruction of Jerusalem, thus He could not have been referring to the end of the world previously but rather was speaking of the fall of Jerusalem and Isarel. From Matt. 24:36 on Jesus is addressing the end of days or THAT DAY.

He declares that everything would look normal and there would be no warning signs as He had just discussed concerning the fall of Jerusalem. Matthew 24:37-39. Therefore one must be prepared like each day is the last (Matthew 24:42-35)

Jesus warned them of the signs that would come before the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem. This destruction spoken of by Jesus would be limited to Jerusalem and the nation of Israel. (Matt.23 25, Jesus warned and scolded them) in (Matt 24:1-2) Jesus begins to speak to His disciples in describing how very shortly not a stone would be left unturned in the Temple they were looking at.

Biblical Isarel was destroyed in the 1st century.......with its peoples either killed or scattered around the then known world, just as Jesus prophesied and their nation was given to another nation. "The kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a peoples PRODUCING THE FRUIT OF IT." -- Matt. 21:43. The nation was given to the faithful remnant of the loyal Jews who accepted Christianity.

Modern Israel is nothing like the Israel described in the Bible. There is no God appointed King....modern Israel is ruled over by a man made government. There are no Tribal IDs...........no Royal Tribe of Priests such as the Lev., There are no animal sacrifices annually.....Modern Israel is a mirrored reflection of Israel when you look through it darkly...its a fake created and maintained by MEN.

Is Israel eternally lost? Of course not, all they need do is accept Jesus as the Christ of prophecy, until such time they are just as lost as is any sinner who is not covered in the Blood of Christ Jesus for the remission of sin. There is only one advocate standing between God and man's sin,,,,,,,,,and that is Christ Jesus who stated it very clearly, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by Me." -- John 14:6

Repentence gets sin blotted out Acts 3:19 says repent and turn around= stop doing the sin. If ones does a sin, asks forgiveness, etc, etc, etc-that is a mockery of why Jesus died.
Jesus is Gods appointed king-Daniel 7:13-15--- not for Israel, they outright refuse to bless Jesus. God was so loving and merciful to even leave the door open to them. Its their fault they will not step through it. Spiritual Israel, meaning Gods chosen are out of all nations now. John had no clue what the religion would be called so he mentions Israel in Revelation. It just means Gods chosen, not literal Israel. Israel was apostocised when Jesus came, they have not stood back up. they wont.

 

[kjw47]

Right. And the Pharisees called Jesus a sinner drunk and glutton who 'keeps company with prostitutes" and they were right if the law is to be taken literally.

Even after Jesus was baptized by John as a token of repentance for the forgiveness of sins he didn't stop drinking and partying, keeping bad company, and hanging around with prostitutes.

What does that tell you? Jesus has a different take on the meaning of the law, they the Pharisees were the sinners, Jesus always did exactly as God commanded and so there was no sin in him even when he was partying with "sinners"

Jesus came to heal the spiritually sick as well as the physically sick. The Israelite teachers lacked love. They looked down even on the flock. They called them amharets-- something like giving table scraps to the dogs, meant off of Gods table-Spiritual food in that case though. They had elevated themselves into something they werent. They were expecting a mighty king to show up as the Messiah, When a mere carpenters son showed up and were telling them they wrong on matters. They turned their hearts o hatred for Jesus. They havent stood back up until this very day.

 

[Indeependent]

Jesus came to heal the spiritually sick as well as the physically sick. The Israelite teachers lacked love. They looked down even on the flock. They called them amharets-- something like giving table scraps to the dogs, meant off of Gods table-Spiritual food in that case though. They had elevated themselves into something they werent. They were expecting a mighty king to show up as the Messiah, When a mere carpenters son showed up and were telling them they wrong on matters. They turned their hearts o hatred for Jesus. They havent stood back up until this very day.

I was wondering why so many prominent MDs are Jews.
I was wondering why so many actual philanthropists are Jews.

 

[kjw47]

The word Roo-Ach does not mean Spirit.
Roo-Ach is defined as a continuous flow of anything that is constantly receiving and giving.
The constant interaction between God and His creation and creation and God allows for a deserved level of communication between the two.
Moshe could give from his Roo-Ach connection with God but could not give his full connection with God because, as the Torah specifies, no one can override God's communication with Moshe (The Torah).

What I really don't get is the quotes from the NT sound like Greek and Latin gibberish from an Exorcist movie.
Can't people just communicate like humans?

God had to keep satan in spiritual darkness, or he would have totally screwed it all up. thus one has to be taught by the teachers Jesus appoints. ( Matthew 24:45)Through them at the proper time truth is revealed. But satan has teachers on earth aswell-2Corinthians 11:12-15. so one must be careful who they are listening to.

 

[Indeependent]

Repentence gets sin blotted out Acts 3:19 says repent and turn around= stop doing the sin. If ones does a sin, asks forgiveness, etc, etc, etc-that is a mockery of why Jesus died.
Jesus is Gods appointed king-Daniel 7:13-15--- not for Israel, they outright refuse to bless Jesus. God was so loving and merciful to even leave the door open to them. Its their fault they will not step through it. Spiritual Israel, meaning Gods chosen are out of all nations now. John had no clue what the religion would be called so he mentions Israel in Revelation. It just means Gods chosen, not literal Israel. Israel was apostocised when Jesus came, they have not stood back up. they wont.

Daniel 7:13-15
I hate to shake your world, but you were trained not to read the rest of the verses.
Verse 1 is explicitly stating that Daniel is telling Belshazzar, king of Babylon, that he will rule the world.
That's why the NT is complete bullshit.

 

[kjw47]

Daniel 7:13-15
I hate to shake your world, but you were trained not to read the rest of the verses.
Verse 1 is explicitly stating that Daniel is telling Belshazzar, king of Babylon, that he will rule the world.
That's why the NT is complete bullshit.

The ancient of Days=YHWH(Jehovah) someone like the son of man=Jesus--it says his rulership will not pass away--its no mortal. You are in error. The Nt is real. Usually someone who lives for sin would say something like you.