Some one please tell me how did they get the holy spirit in the OT ?

[hobelim]

Link?

(see 29:29)

 

[DudleySmith]

Provide a Link.

Already links in the History Forum on it. Also see ...

Before Islam: When Saudi Arabia was a Jewish kingdom

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www.haaretz.com

 

[Indeependent]

Already links in the History Forum on it. Also see ...

Before Islam: When Saudi Arabia was a Jewish kingdom

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www.haaretz.com

I'm sure you can Link to an actual historical website rather than a self-hating Jew publication.

Subscription site.
A very part of Saudi Arabia is actually Israel.
The Children of Israel did not travel through that area during their time in the desert and none of it was ever conquered.
Not to mention that Haaretz bitterly hates non-Atheist Jews.

 

[DudleySmith]

I'm sure you can Link to an actual historical website rather than a self-hating Jew publication.

Subscription site.
A very part of Saudi Arabia is actually Israel.
The Children of Israel did not travel through that area during their time in the desert and none of it was ever conquered.
Not to mention that Haaretz bitterly hates non-Atheist Jews.

So find the story in JP or Arutz Israel then. The report comes from scholar at Hebrew University doing the translations, so you whining about the source is just deflection.

 

[Indeependent]

So find the story in JP or Arutz Israel then. The report comes from scholar at Hebrew University doing the translations, so you whining about the source is just deflection.

The onus is on you.
You always seem capable of finding a Link to back up your stories but not when it comes from an Atheist Hebrew University.
I guess you don't realize how many Jews in Israel hate Judaism as a religion.

 

[DudleySmith]

The onus is on you.
You always seem capable of finding a Link to back up your stories but not when it comes from an Atheist Hebrew University.
I guess you don't realize how many Jews in Israel hate Judaism as a religion.

Already old you where the thread on it is. If you're too lazy to look it up yourself that's your problem. You can't rebut it so make up some semantics. You haven't provided any links to squat here yourself.

 

[Indeependent]

Already old you where the thread on it is. If you're too lazy to look it up yourself that's your problem. You can't rebut it so make up some semantics. You haven't provided any links to squat here yourself.

I have looked up all of your bullshit Jew Hating Links throughout our relationship and yet you can't come up with a Link today that's not from Haaretz?!
Makes you look quite stupid and I know you're not stupid.

 

[Indeependent]

Already old you where the thread on it is. If you're too lazy to look it up yourself that's your problem. You can't rebut it so make up some semantics. You haven't provided any links to squat here yourself.

I'm curious...You subscribe to Haaretz.
Why?
It's also obvious if you do read Haaretz on a daily basis that the self-hating Jews who publish it hate Israel as a Jewish state.

 

[kjw47]

Jesus did not start a new religion. Jesus came in fulfillment of Jewish messianic expectations to straighten out the understanding and application of Divine Law as originally instructed by Moses, the only way to eternal life, lost to time after his death and buried under a mountain of blasphemy called the talmud, what Jesus called the traditions of men, which rendered the law null and void.

Jesus, an extremely intelligent and dedicated froward Jewish man, led Jewish people back to the sanctuary of God and cursed 'the nations' of the roman empire with a cup of his blood, the sword.

"Just art thou, in these thy judgments, thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink." Rev 16:4-7

Then Rome started a new religion based on hatred for the Hebrew God, by worshipping a trinity, and desecrating the teachings of Jesus his Messiah, the Actual Body of Christ, by turning it into a lifeless matzo made by human hands that is eaten and then crapped down the toilet religiously.

You may think that you are not a part of any of that but all of your confusion originated in Rome.

The pharisees saw it start- Acts 24:5

 

[kjw47]

Ah, well, that means you get to make up one, too, eh?

No Jesus already made it.

 

[Clyde 154]

Repentence gets sin blotted out Acts 3:19 says repent and turn around= stop doing the sin. If ones does a sin, asks forgiveness, etc, etc, etc-that is a mockery of why Jesus died.
Jesus is Gods appointed king-Daniel 7:13-15--- not for Israel, they outright refuse to bless Jesus. God was so loving and merciful to even leave the door open to them. Its their fault they will not step through it. Spiritual Israel, meaning Gods chosen are out of all nations now. John had no clue what the religion would be called so he mentions Israel in Revelation. It just means Gods chosen, not literal Israel. Israel was apostocised when Jesus came, they have not stood back up. they wont.

What gets SIN BLOTTED OUT is the sacrificial blood of Christ Jesus, and that can only take place through both Faith and Works. One without the other is "dead" (James 2:17-26).

The way to salvation is in Christ Jesus. "I am the way and the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me." -- John 14:6. "There is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we MUST BE SAVED." -- Acts 4:12

You must OBEY THE GOSPEL TRUTH........all the truth. Jesus Christ, "....... is the author of eternal salvation TO ALL WHO OBEY HIM." -- Heb. 5:9

One of the ESSENTIAL steps that leads to salvation as commanded by the Christ in scripture is ( 1. Faith in Christ, 2. Repentance from past sin. 3. Confession of Christ's deity (as God incarnate), if you do not confess that Christ is God....you are an antichrist. 4. (water baptism) BAPTISM INTO FORGIVENESS.

It is only through death that one can be BORN AGAIN, of the water and the spirit. Baptism is a WORK based upon the essential step of FAITH (faith without works is dead). This is the only place that one can come into contact with the sacrificial blood of Christ Jesus.

Faith's immersion in water is the occasion of being united with Christ and cleansed by His life saving blood (Romans 6:3, 5, 17-18, Gal. 3:26-27) One is baptized INTO CHRIST.

Baptisms very purpose is "for the forgiveness of sin" (Acts 2:38, 22:16, I Peter 3:21.) The old man that was guilty of sin is "buried" in a watery grave and a new person (Born Again, just like a new born babe) to a NEW LIFE in Christ Jesus (Col. 2:11-14, 2 Cor. 5:17)

Once again I would ask anyone to present the Book, Chapter and Verse where anyone is allowed to enter the kingdom of God...i.e, the church that Christ built (Matt. 16) without a demonstration of his/her faith through the work/act of water baptism. One example.

 

[hobelim]

The pharisees saw it start- Acts 24:5

What they saw was that the revelation of Jesus, the truth, light, was more powerful than the art of deception, darkness. He woke up the hypnotized. That's why they thought he was a magician.

The only thing about the law that became obsolete after that revelation was the wrong way to follow it, not the law itself.

What they saw begin anew was the right way to follow the law as originally taught by Moses.

 

[kjw47]

What gets SIN BLOTTED OUT is the sacrificial blood of Christ Jesus, and that can only take place through both Faith and Works. One without the other is "dead" (James 2:17-26).

The way to salvation is in Christ Jesus. "I am the way and the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me." -- John 14:6. "There is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we MUST BE SAVED." -- Acts 4:12

You must OBEY THE GOSPEL TRUTH........all the truth. Jesus Christ, "....... is the author of eternal salvation TO ALL WHO OBEY HIM." -- Heb. 5:9

One of the ESSENTIAL steps that leads to salvation as commanded by the Christ in scripture is ( 1. Faith in Christ, 2. Repentance from past sin. 3. Confession of Christ's deity (as God incarnate), if you do not confess that Christ is God....you are an antichrist. 4. (water baptism) BAPTISM INTO FORGIVENESS.

It is only through death that one can be BORN AGAIN, of the water and the spirit. Baptism is a WORK based upon the essential step of FAITH (faith without works is dead). This is the only place that one can come into contact with the sacrificial blood of Christ Jesus.

Faith's immersion in water is the occasion of being united with Christ and cleansed by His life saving blood (Romans 6:3, 5, 17-18, Gal. 3:26-27) One is baptized INTO CHRIST.

Baptisms very purpose is "for the forgiveness of sin" (Acts 2:38, 22:16, I Peter 3:21.) The old man that was guilty of sin is "buried" in a watery grave and a new person (Born Again, just like a new born babe) to a NEW LIFE in Christ Jesus (Col. 2:11-14, 2 Cor. 5:17)

Once again I would ask anyone to present the Book, Chapter and Verse where anyone is allowed to enter the kingdom of God...i.e, the church that Christ built (Matt. 16) without a demonstration of his/her faith through the work/act of water baptism. One example.

I just showed you Acts 3:19--repentance gets sin blotted out. Hebrews 10:26--There is no sacrifice left for any who practice sin. Its the practice of sin that is condemned. All the ones considered righteous sin still in minor ways. They do not practice it.

 

[kjw47]

What they saw was that the revelation of Jesus, the truth, light, was more powerful than the art of deception, darkness. He woke up the hypnotized. That's why they thought he was a magician.

The only thing about the law that became obsolete after that revelation was the wrong way to follow it, not the law itself.

What they saw begin anew was the right way to follow the law as originally taught by Moses.

And the right way is shown. In the NT it states--the law would be written on hearts= love. the new covenant. The love Jesus taught= Ones heart would not even consider stealing from their brothers, it would not even consider cheating on a mate, it would not even consider to murder their brothers, sisters are included. etc, etc, etc all the way down the line.

 

[hobelim]

And the right way is shown. In the NT it states--the law would be written on hearts= love. the new covenant. The love Jesus taught= Ones heart would not even consider stealing from their brothers, it would not even consider cheating on a mate, it would not even consider to murder their brothers, sisters are included. etc, etc, etc all the way down the line.

Jesus giving one command, to "love one another" was a direct reference to Zechariah 11:9 where God states, "then I said, "I will no longer shepherd you. Let what is dying die, and let what is going astray go astray; and let the rest devour one another."

The law remains. Do this, don't do that. Eat this, don't eat that. simple.

"Do not eat the vile and degrading flesh of any unclean creature that does not ruminate".

This law was written on my heart before I learned how to read. My father taught me not to "just believe" anything without thinking because people lie. It's even written on every atheists heart.

Isn't it written on your heart or was it erased by your teachers?

 

[DudleySmith]

I have looked up all of your bullshit Jew Hating Links throughout our relationship and yet you can't come up with a Link today that's not from Haaretz?!
Makes you look quite stupid and I know you're not stupid.

So now you're going to lie and and pretend it's 'Jew Hating Bullshit' now, typical of racist Orthodox bigots and their frothing hatred of Christians.

 

[DudleySmith]

I'm curious...You subscribe to Haaretz.
Why?
It's also obvious if you do read Haaretz on a daily basis that the self-hating Jews who publish it hate Israel as a Jewish state.

I read several Israeli papers; you should do so yourself, so you don't look like a fool when they report on stuff you don't like to hear.

 

[kjw47]

Jesus giving one command, to "love one another" was a direct reference to Zechariah 11:9 where God states, "then I said, "I will no longer shepherd you. Let what is dying die, and let what is going astray go astray; and let the rest devour one another."

The law remains. Do this, don't do that. Eat this, don't eat that. simple.

"Do not eat the vile and degrading flesh of any unclean creature that does not ruminate".

This law was written on my heart before I learned how to read. My father taught me not to "just believe" anything without thinking because people lie. It's even written on every atheists heart.

Isn't it written on your heart or was it erased by your teachers?

I showed what the law was on ones heart. = The new covenant-love. And showed what that entailed.
We are not under Mosaic law. A story from Jesus proved that--The tithe. Jesus said the scribes and Pharisees all gave their tithe, A little old lady put 2 small coins in out of the heart. Jesus said she gave more than all those tithes combined. Out of the heart is what is required now.
Mark 12:41-44

 

[Feeding Crows]

Welcome to USMB a couple of things in my older age I love to do argue on the internet and I am fascinated by the Bible because something is in me that's hard to explain, I started to love and study the Bible ( I admit I am new at this been only doing it for three years now, but I have spent a lot of time and probably only know .00001% of the bible)

The bible is not all made up there is historical facts and if you believe ....

Yes, there are historical facts that the bible is based on. Enuma Elish, Atra-Hasis, the Epic of Gilgamesh, and many other ancient texts come to mind. But the OT changed the stories to create a monotheistic "god". Otherwise it's the same. And that led to the current monotheistic religions with a schizophrenic "god".

 

[Feeding Crows]

When people tell me we must remove religion I always think to myself what do you have against widows and orphans, what did they do to you?

( James 1:27 pure religion is taking care of widows and orphans and staying away from the evil of the world )

Religion probably created those widows and orphans.