Some inconvenient facts for EV cheerleaders!!

[Dagosa]

you said "research into medical science" not Medicaid.

think an F 150 is cheap.

keep proving how stupid you are.

And fyi the fucking government makes more on a gallon of gas than the oil companies do. Americans have a lower tolerance for high gasoline taxes than people in other countries

World governments continue to prop up the fossil fuel industry with astronomical amounts of cash: in excess of $5 trillion every single year, according to a 2019 paper published by the International Monetary Fund.

Ford is perfectly capable of paying off that money if the government isn't forcing them to do it that's the government's fault.

Ford reveals third-quarter net loss, weighed down by supply chain problems and Argo A.I. investment

Ford on Wednesday updated its guidance to forecast full-year adjusted earnings before interest and taxes of about $11.5 billion.

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Ford’s overall revenue during the quarter, which includes its financial arm, was $39.4 billion, a 10% increase from a year earlier. Through the third quarter, the company’s year-to-date revenue was $114.1 billion, a 16% increase compared to that same time period in 2022.

how many brains have you lost ? Private funding for medical research comes directly from monies not paid for programs the government pays for. With those monies going into the healthcare system, their tax deductible donations DONT OCCUR.

BTW, if you think Ford can afford a 6 billion dollar loan without dramatically affecting their car prices, you’re an idiot.

 

[Dagosa]

Ford is perfectly capable of paying off that money if the government isn't forcing them to do it that's the government's fault.

Ford reveals third-quarter net loss, weighed down by supply chain problems and Argo A.I. investment

Ford on Wednesday updated its guidance to forecast full-year adjusted earnings before interest and taxes of about $11.5 billion.

www.cnbc.com

Ford’s overall revenue during the quarter, which includes its financial arm, was $39.4 billion, a 10% increase from a year earlier. Through the third quarter, the company’s year-to-date revenue was $114.1 billion, a 16% increase compared to that same time period in 2022.

Now you don’t know what PROFIT IS DO YOU ?

 

[Blues Man]

World governments continue to prop up the fossil fuel industry with astronomical amounts of cash: in excess of $5 trillion every single year, according to a 2019 paper published by the International Monetary Fund.

how many brains have you lost ? Private funding for medical research comes directly from monies not paid for programs the government pays for. With those monies going into the healthcare system, their tax deductible donations DONT OCCUR.

BTW, if you think Ford can afford a 6 billion dollar loan without dramatically affecting their car prices, you’re an idiot.

Ford can easily pay off that loan in a relatively short amount of time but they own so many politicians that they don't have to.

 

[Blues Man]

World governments continue to prop up the fossil fuel industry with astronomical amounts of cash: in excess of $5 trillion every single year, according to a 2019 paper published by the International Monetary Fund.

how many brains have you lost ? Private funding for medical research comes directly from monies not paid for programs the government pays for. With those monies going into the healthcare system, their tax deductible donations DONT OCCUR.

BTW, if you think Ford can afford a 6 billion dollar loan without dramatically affecting their car prices, you’re an idiot.

Private enterprise invests 5 times what the government does. So obviously the private sector is driving the most medical research.

You give the fucking government far too much credit.

 

[Dagosa]

Private enterprise invests 5 times what the government does. So obviously the private sector is driving the most medical research.

You give the fucking government far too much credit.

No they aren’t.
Private enterprise is TAX free. No private money goes in with being subsidized by the tax payer.
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the gov spent in 2019 alone , 1.2 Trillion on disease mitigation including research.
In 2016, the government spent about $634 billion on healthcare subsidies.

Without tax payer dollars, there would be NO GM, EXXON or the industrial complex that we have stupid.

HOW MUCH of the defense budget goes into our industrial complex.

 

[Dagosa]

You give the fucking government far too much credit.

Name some major industry’s that do not receive govt help….name them. We know the auto does, oil and gas….go ahead, name them.

 

[Dagosa]

Private enterprise invests 5 times what the government does. So obviously the private sector is driving the most medical research.

You give the fucking government far too much credit.

Teslar has received 2.5 billion total thus far.
GM recieved a 11.2 billion dollar total for the bailout.
In 2016, the government spent about $634 billion on healthcare subsidies.

 

[Dagosa]

Private enterprise invests 5 times what the government does. So obviously the private sector is driving the most medical research.

You give the fucking government far too much credit.

Some of the other guys not name Teslar.
007 also detailed which other automakers received funds from American taxpayers and whether or not they paid us back. They are:

• Ford borrowed $5.937 billion under the ATVM Loan Program. Ford still hasn’t paid that back.
  • As of today, Ford has had a total of at least $33,489,841,570 ($33.49 billion) in subsidies awarded.
• Nissan borrowed $1.448 billion under the ATVM Loan Program and still hasn’t paid us back.
  • Nissan’s total subsidy value is $1,955,199,450 ($1.96 billion).
• Fisker Automotive borrowed $529 million under the ATVM Loan Program and went bankrupt. We won’t get that money back.
• GM and Chrysler both went into bankruptcy and had to be rescued under a separate program.
  • GM’s total subsidy value is $50,346,920,000 ($50.35 billion).
  • Fiat-Chrysler’s total subsidy value is $17,599,200,000 ($17.6 billion).

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Really. You just come to that realization ?
No major change is done without Govt backing. The internet, electricity infrastructure, the interstate system the airline industry. Are you this naive ? The auto industry has been bailed out by the govt. as has the airline and petro which gets huge subsidies along with coal…..you name it. The gov has supported our industrial base since ww1 when we found we could not win win wars without it.

You’re funny

You need to go back to school. Try listening next time.

You really can’t be that stupid to think the gov, hasn’t had to be start ups for many of the major businesses, big and small.

There would be no GM and Chrysler without govt handouts. Go suck and egg and stop peddling your tripe.

and petro which gets huge subsidies along with coal…..

I'll add tax policy and accounting to the list of things you know nothing about.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

World governments continue to prop up the fossil fuel industry with astronomical amounts of cash: in excess of $5 trillion every single year, according to a 2019 paper published by the International Monetary Fund.

Cash? Liar.

 

[jc456]

... if you don't have electricity in great abundance, then don't bother ... .

that rules out California right?

 

[Dagosa]

Cash? Liar.

Nope facts. All the countries of the world prop up the fossil fuel industry. You like the wars fought over fossil fuels ?

 

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Nope facts. All the countries of the world prop up the fossil fuel industry. You like the wars fought over fossil fuels ?

Yes. There are too many people on the planet already. Is there any chance we can send you?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Nope facts. All the countries of the world prop up the fossil fuel industry. You like the wars fought over fossil fuels ?

US fossil fuel subsidies......list the three worst.

 

[Dagosa]

US fossil fuel subsidies......list the three worst.

Already made that point. You're getting off track. . We’re talking about 2.4;billion to Teslar while GM gets over 12 billion, Ford 6 billion….and the list goes on. And you’re whining about Teslar and other EVs get tax breaks from the gov…..while fossil fuel gets subsidies every year……hilarious.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Already made that point. You're getting off track. . We’re talking about 2.4;billion to Teslar while GM gets over 12 billion, Ford 6 billion….and the list goes on. And you’re whining about Teslar and other EVs get tax breaks from the gov…..while fossil fuel gets subsidies every year……hilarious.

Your fossil fuel subsidies are now car subsidies?

 

[Dagosa]

Your fossil fuel subsidies are now car subsidies?

Fossil fuel subsidies of 20:billion….they’ve had enough

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Fossil fuel subsidies of 80 billion…..

Awful!

What are the top 3?

 

[ReinyDays]

that rules out California right?

Against Shasta Dam ... hell no ... what are you talking about? ... go look at the Columbia River, all the tribuataries to the Sacramento/San Joaquin Rivers, Boulder Dam ... why would The West be short of electricity? ...

 

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Against Shasta Dam ... hell no ... what are you talking about? ... go look at the Columbia River, all the tribuataries to the Sacramento/San Joaquin Rivers, Boulder Dam ... why would The West be short of electricity? ...

Is the answer because they are idiots?