Solar transforming the desert

[Old Rocks]

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In Nigeria's lithium boom, many mines are illegal and children do much of the work

And here in the US the Epstein billionaires recruited children as sex workers. Our current felon President was even involved in that industry. There are people in every culture that will do anything to make a dollar or satisfy their illegal appetites.

 

[westwall]

Stupid ass, the panels are easily replaced, and at a lesser price than the original panels.

The modules ARE the frames in the designs, you boob. You build a stand, and the modules are bolted to that, and yes the modules are easily replaced, and cost a little less, but the original modules NEVER PAID FOR THEMSELVES.

DURRRRRR

 

[westwall]

And here in the US the Epstein billionaires recruited children as sex workers. Our current felon President was even involved in that industry. There are people in every culture that will do anything to make a dollar or satisfy their illegal appetites.

No Trump never did anything of the sort, that was a purely DEMOCRAT operation. Your hero, Joey bribem, brought in hundreds of thousands of children and sent them out to be raped.

Trump's DHS has rescued tens of thousands of them, and I hope they are building cases so we can toss your fellow perverts into the wood chippers that they so deserve.

 

[egp320i]

Damn, have you ever farmed anything at all? The panels can be raised, and the distance between them can be enough for machinery. But you are a modern day Luddite, and wish to stop all progress. And there is a another vastly underused resource for panels. Parking lots. It is estimated that it would take 10,000 square mile of panels to power the US at present panel efficiency. A survey that does not include all parking lots says that there are over 3000 square miles of parking lots in the US.

The Math: A $500,000 Agrivoltaic Setup​

Sticker Price[Total Cost for Glass & Poles[$500,000[/]

[]USDA REAP Grant[50% Grant from the Government[$250,000[/]

Tax Credit (ITC)[30% of the total cost ($500k x 0.30)[$100,000 (as tax relief)[
[
]Final Net Cost[After grant and tax recovery[/$150,000[/]

clearvue $150 a square meter.......not cheap at all

This is just out of lab stage, works best in a dry area to not burn the crops, collect what little
water is naturally present, the rest still has to be pulled from somewhere

without REAP subsidies you can't afford it

So I am paying taxes so they can get a massive discount? yeah........sounds fair

I want a new BMW for 100K but only want to pay 30K, where can I sign up?

 

[Old Rocks]

The modules ARE the frames in the designs, you boob. You build a stand, and the modules are bolted to that, and yes the modules are easily replaced, and cost a little less, but the original modules NEVER PAID FOR THEMSELVES.

DURRRRRR

In a major hail storm, the roofs and cars damaged and destroyed have not paid for themselves yet. So we should not replace them or build any more rooves and cars? That is your idiotic logic.

 

[Old Rocks]

The Math: A $500,000 Agrivoltaic Setup​

Sticker Price[Total Cost for Glass & Poles[$500,000[/]

[]USDA REAP Grant[50% Grant from the Government[$250,000[/]

Tax Credit (ITC)[30% of the total cost ($500k x 0.30)[$100,000 (as tax relief)[
[
]Final Net Cost[After grant and tax recovery[/$150,000[/]

clearvue $150 a square meter.......not cheap at all

This is just out of lab stage, works best in a dry area to not burn the crops, collect what little
water is naturally present, the rest still has to be pulled from somewhere

without REAP subsidies you can't afford it

So I am paying taxes so they can get a massive discount? yeah........sounds fair

I want a new BMW for 100K but only want to pay 30K, where can I sign up?

I see your numbers, what is your source? Maybe you dropped your pants to get those numbers?

 

[eagle1462010]

I see your numbers, what is your source? Maybe you dropped your pants to get those numbers?

Ok i have a tech question for old rocks

Bifacial ISC can raise the current by 30% so in calculating your grid size you would use that plus 30% for max current??

Im trying to max 2 3200 watt inputs 25 amp max. No matter how i look at panels i cant get much more than 4800 out of 6400 inverter

Note 180 max volts 25 amps each port

 

[Old Rocks]

No Trump never did anything of the sort, that was a purely DEMOCRAT operation. Your hero, Joey bribem, brought in hundreds of thousands of children and sent them out to be raped.

Trump's DHS has rescued tens of thousands of them, and I hope they are building cases so we can toss your fellow perverts into the wood chippers that they so deserve.

Foolish flapyap from a fool. So, where are the Epstein files on Biden? Plenty of photos of Trump and Epstein. Recording of Trump bragging about 'grabbing 'em by the *****'. Trump saying both he and Epstein both like beautiful women and Epstein likes them on the 'younger' side. And Bondi, one of Trump's barrel of disposable bitches, promising to release the Epstein files, but never doing it. You are such a silly partisan liar, proud of the fact that you regularly kiss your cult leaders ass. A true MAGAt through and through. When Trump's DHS is not killing American citizens, they are throwing children in detention centers, feeding them wormy food, among other things.




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Allegations of Wormy Food in ICE Detention Centers​

Multiple reports from 2025–2026 describe contaminated food in U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention facilities, including family residential centers, where children have been held.

Where it happened
The most detailed accounts come from the Dilley Immigration Processing Center in South Texas, a large family detention facility that has held hundreds of children for months. Families and advocacy groups, including the National Center for Youth Law, have filed lawsuits alleging food contaminated with worms and mold, as well as limited access to clean drinking water and inadequate medical care PBS.

What families reported

• Parents and children described vegetables with visible worms and moldy produce PBS.
• Some detainees said they found black or green substances in milk containers and bugs in food Reason.
• Children were not receiving child‑friendly meals; some refused to eat because the food was unappetizing or unsafe PBS.
• After eating, some children became sick, with reports of vomiting and other health issues Reason.

Broader conditions
These food complaints are part of a wider pattern of unsafe and unsanitary conditions in ICE custody, including overcrowding, lack of hygiene supplies, and delayed or insufficient medical care factually.co. Watchdog groups like Human Rights First and RAICES have documented “inhumane conditions” and “routine mistreatment” in family detention facilities factually.co.

Official standards vs. reality
ICE’s 2025 National Detention Standards require sanitation, medical safety, and environmental health compliance, but independent investigations and court filings show a gap between these requirements and the conditions reported by detainees factually.co.

Impact on children
For children, the combination of inappropriate, unhygienic food, lack of clean water, and inadequate medical care can lead to malnutrition, illness, and psychological harm. In family detention, children are often held with their parents, so these conditions affect both generations.

Next steps
These allegations have prompted legal action, congressional scrutiny, and public outcry, with some families being released after intervention by lawmakers or judges abcnews.com. However, the reports indicate that such issues are not isolated and may be systemic in certain detention facilities.

If you are concerned about a specific case or want to support advocacy efforts, organizations like the National Center for Youth Law, Human Rights First, and RAICES are actively working on these issues.

 

[eagle1462010]

I found some 460s bifacial with 11.7 amps but when i add the 30% it exceeds 25 amps. If i could use them id get 5500

Think id burn the inverter

 

[Old Rocks]

Ok i have a tech question for old rocks

Bifacial ISC can raise the current by 30% so in calculating your grid size you would use that plus 30% for max current??

Im trying to max 2 3200 watt inputs 25 amp max. No matter how i look at panels i cant get much more than 4800 out of 6400 inverter

Note 180 max volts 25 amps each port

First your latitude is going to determine how much you can get out of your array in any season. Second, I am not an electrical engineer, so I would not try to analyze your max. However, most legitimate installers will be able to tell you how much you can get out of your system. They are the people to ask. They can also give you a reasonable estimate of your payback time.

 

[eagle1462010]

First your latitude is going to determine how much you can get out of your array in any season. Second, I am not an electrical engineer, so I would not try to analyze your max. However, most legitimate installers will be able to tell you how much you can get out of your system. They are the people to ask. They can also give you a reasonable estimate of your payback time.

I called signature solar and they couldnt find panels get me above 5000 watts safely.

Guess im stuck with 4800 watts

 

[Old Rocks]

I found some 460s bifacial with 11.7 amps but when i add the 30% it exceeds 25 amps. If i could use them id get 5500

Think id burn the inverter

Again, ask a reputable dealer. Plenty of inverters designed for different systems on the market.

 

[Old Rocks]

I called signature solar and they couldnt find panels get me above 5000 watts safely.

Guess im stuck with 4800 watts

Are you getting storage with that system?

 

[eagle1462010]

Again, ask a reputable dealer. Plenty of inverters designed for different systems on the market.

I asked the experts at signature solar. Been looking at panels over a week. Think my 6400 max is toast.

Looks like 4800 of 6400 is all i can get

 

[eagle1462010]

Are you getting storage with that system?

Pecron. New F5000. 7200 constant output 5.1 kwh battery. Gonna probably buy 2 more batts once i build it

 

[egp320i]

I see your numbers, what is your source? Maybe you dropped your pants to get those numbers?

co-pilot and gemini both crunched those numbers
likely more accurate than you can

we get it, you are a solar cheerleader even if the numbers don't match

 

[egp320i]

In a major hail storm, the roofs and cars damaged and destroyed have not paid for themselves yet. So we should not replace them or build any more rooves and cars? That is your idiotic logic.

never heard of insurance apparently

who insures solar panels from damage? I bet nobody

how long to pay off solar panels before they need replaced?

better, how long WITHOUT a government handout? never.......

Not against solar if used smarter, on homes, power to the grid
CA, NV, AZ alone could supply plenty with a structure already there!

parking garages, large factories, certainly, the space is there

agrisolar is just going entice growing more crops where they don't belong

how much can they strain from the CO river before it bleeds dry?

Anybody in the middle east doing this with all their dirt and sand?

That might tell you it's not feasible for the area or the cost

 

[Old Rocks]

co-pilot and gemini both crunched those numbers
likely more accurate than you can

we get it, you are a solar cheerleader even if the numbers don't match

But you did not see fit to post those with references? LOL Yappity yap without sources.

 

[Old Rocks]

never heard of insurance apparently

who insures solar panels from damage? I bet nobody

how long to pay off solar panels before they need replaced?

better, how long WITHOUT a government handout? never.......

Not against solar if used smarter, on homes, power to the grid
CA, NV, AZ alone could supply plenty with a structure already there!

parking garages, large factories, certainly, the space is there

agrisolar is just going entice growing more crops where they don't belong

how much can they strain from the CO river before it bleeds dry?

Anybody in the middle east doing this with all their dirt and sand?

That might tell you it's not feasible for the area or the cost

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Payoff Time for Utility-Scale Solar Panels​

For utility-scale solar photovoltaic (PV) systems in the U.S., the “payoff time” depends on whether you mean energy payback time (EPBT) or economic payback period.
1. Energy Payback Time (EPBT)
EPBT is the time it takes for a system to generate the same amount of electricity it consumed during manufacturing, installation, operation, and decommissioning.

• NREL’s 2023–2024 LCA found that modern U.S. utility-scale PV systems have EPBTs between 0.5 and 1.2 years docs.nrel.gov.
• This means that within a year or two of operation, the system produces enough clean electricity to offset all the energy used to build and run it over its 30-year life.
• Factors affecting EPBT include solar irradiation levels (more sun = faster payback) and grid efficiency (higher efficiency = more electricity delivered to the grid).

2. Economic Payback Period
This is the time to recover the capital investment (equipment, installation, financing) through electricity sales or avoided costs.

• Utility-scale projects are typically financed through PPAs (Power Purchase Agreements), PPAs with leases, or PPAs with loans.
• Payback can range from a few years to over a decade, depending on:
  • Local electricity prices (higher rates = faster payback)
  • System size and capacity factor (more output = more revenue)
  • Financing structure (PPAs often have longer payback than cash purchases)
  • Incentives (federal tax credits, state rebates, renewable energy credits)
• In high-value markets (e.g., California, Texas), some utility-scale projects achieve 5–7 year payback with strong tariffs and incentives solartechonline.com+1.
• In lower-rate or less-incentivized regions, payback can exceed 10–15 years.

3. Carbon Payback Time (CPBT)
CPBT is the time to offset the carbon emissions from manufacturing and operation by displacing fossil-fuel electricity.

• For U.S. utility-scale PV, CPBT is also short—often under 1 year in most scenarios docs.nrel.gov—because solar generation displaces high-carbon baseload and peaking power.

Summary Table

Energy Payback Time (EPBT)	0.5–1.2 years	Offsets all energy used in lifecycle
Carbon Payback Time (CPBT)	<1 year	Offsets lifecycle emissions
Economic Payback Period	5–15+ years	Depends on tariffs, incentives, financing

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Typical U.S. Utility-Scale PV​

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Key takeaway:
For utility-scale solar, energy and carbon payback are very fast—often within a year—while economic payback (returning the investment) can take several years, especially if financed through long-term PPAs. High solar resource, high electricity prices, and strong incentives shorten the economic payback.

Farming is a high risk endeavor, farmers are not going to invest where there is not a good return. ​

What does the Colorado river have to do with solar? And there are plenty of areas with ideal growing conditions that are under utilized for agriculture in the US. I live in one of them, the Willamette Valley.
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[egp320i]

But you did not see fit to post those with references? LOL Yappity yap without sources.

co-pilot crunched the numbers, that is the source, you ask co-pilot for a source if you care so much

it pulled what their price is now, how much it could cost, the benefits and the tax breaks for doing it

bottom line, right now without government free money you can't afford it

you don't seem to concerned your tax money goes to help a farmer put up new panels for their
land, and you benefit how exactly?