Solar panels and sheep

[elektra]

Textbook dunning effect.

Yes, the study you made claims about I read. The study states solar panels raise the temperature.

Ding-a-ling, more sun is absorbed by the black panels than the highly reflective ground scatters. This raise the heat around the square miles of solar panels

 

[ding]

He mad.

 

[ding]

Yes, several studies indicate that
solar farms can create a localized cooling effect, particularly during the daytime. This is attributed to two main factors:

• Photovoltaic Conversion: Solar panels convert a portion of the incoming solar energy into electricity. This conversion process removes some of the energy that would have otherwise been absorbed by the land surface and dissipated as heat. This removal of energy from the immediate environment leads to a cooling effect.
• Albedo Effect (Modified by PV panels):While dark-colored panels might initially suggest warming due to lower albedo (reflectivity), the effective albedo(considering energy converted to electricity) tends to increase significantly. This increased effective albedo further contributes to cooling.

Specific Findings:

• Global Assessment (116 solar farms): A global study analyzing 116 solar farms found a statistically significant cooling effect on land surface temperature (LST) during the daytime, with an average reduction of 0.49 Kelvin. This effect was strongest in barren lands (-0.77 K), followed by grasslands (-0.47 K), and weakest in croplands (-0.25 K).
• Arid Regions: Studies on solar parks in arid locations have found they produced 'cool islands' extending around 700 meters from the boundaries. These cool islands reduced the surrounding land surface temperature by up to 2.3°C at 100 meters, with the effect lessening further out.
• Field Data and Simulations: A study analyzing data and using simulations from a large solar farm in North America found that, although air temperatures within the array could be higher, the thermal energy dissipated at higher elevations (5 to 18 meters). The data also indicated a decline in air temperature to ambient levels at about 300 meters from the perimeter.

Important Considerations:

• Variability: The magnitude and even the direction (warming vs. cooling) of the localized temperature impact can vary considerably depending on factors such as:
  • Solar farm size and capacity
  • Land cover type (barren land, grassland, cropland)
  • Installation methods
  • Regional and seasonal variations
• Potential for Warming: Some studies have shown limited daytime warming, particularly in urban areas or with specific panel configurations. However, the overall evidence suggests cooling is more prevalent.

Conclusion:
While complex and variable, the evidence suggests that solar farms, especially in arid regions and during the daytime, are capable of creating a localized cooling effect, impacting land surface temperature and potentially influencing surrounding ecosystems.

 

[ding]

#winning

 

[ding]

Widespread use of solar panels are an excellent way to usher in the next glacial period. Brilliant.

 

[elektra]

Yes, several studies indicate that
solar farms can create a localized cooling effect, particularly during the daytime. This is attributed to two main factors

Ding-a-ling wont post these, several studies.

Here, the study say it can, but the study does not state it does.

They also say, can indicate, not proof.

 

[elektra]

#winning

Nope ding-a-ling, you lost. Address AI, ding a ling keeps ignoring 100% of the facts posted to find studies that suggest dings opinion may be partially true do not prove a thing.
AI Overview

Yes, the black surfaces of solar panels generally absorb more heat than the ground they are placed on. This is because solar panels are designed to absorb as much sunlight as possible, and black surfaces are highly absorbent. The ground, while also absorbing some sunlight, may have a lighter color and a different texture, leading to less absorption.

Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Absorption:
  Solar panels, particularly those with black surfaces, are engineered to absorb sunlight efficiently to convert it into electricity. Black surfaces are excellent at absorbing light, while other colors may reflect some of it.
  
  
• Ground Absorption:
  The ground, depending on its composition and color, will also absorb some sunlight, but its absorption capacity may be lower than that of a solar panel's black surface.
  
  
• Efficiency and Heat Dissipation:
  Solar panels convert a portion of the absorbed sunlight into electricity, but the remaining energy is dissipated as heat. This heat can contribute to the overall temperature of the panels and the surrounding environment.
  
  
• Ground's Role:
  The ground, while absorbing some sunlight, may also reflect some back into the atmosphere, reducing its overall contribution to he

 

[elektra]

Yes, several studies indicate that
solar farms can create a localized cooling effect, particularly during the daytime. This is attributed to two main factors:

• Photovoltaic Conversion: Solar panels convert a portion of the incoming solar energy into electricity. This conversion process removes some of the energy that would have otherwise been absorbed by the land surface and dissipated as heat. This removal of energy from the immediate environment leads to a cooling effect.
• Albedo Effect (Modified by PV panels):While dark-colored panels might initially suggest warming due to lower albedo (reflectivity), the effective albedo(considering energy converted to electricity) tends to increase significantly. This increased effective albedo further contributes to cooling.

Specific Findings:

• Global Assessment (116 solar farms): A global study analyzing 116 solar farms found a statistically significant cooling effect on land surface temperature (LST) during the daytime, with an average reduction of 0.49 Kelvin. This effect was strongest in barren lands (-0.77 K), followed by grasslands (-0.47 K), and weakest in croplands (-0.25 K).
• Arid Regions: Studies on solar parks in arid locations have found they produced 'cool islands' extending around 700 meters from the boundaries. These cool islands reduced the surrounding land surface temperature by up to 2.3°C at 100 meters, with the effect lessening further out.
• Field Data and Simulations: A study analyzing data and using simulations from a large solar farm in North America found that, although air temperatures within the array could be higher, the thermal energy dissipated at higher elevations (5 to 18 meters). The data also indicated a decline in air temperature to ambient levels at about 300 meters from the perimeter.

Important Considerations:

• Variability:The magnitude and even the direction (warming vs. cooling) of the localized temperature impact can vary considerably depending on factors such as:
  • Solar farm size and capacity
  • Land cover type (barren land, grassland, cropland)
  • Installation methods
  • Regional and seasonal variations
• Potential for Warming: Some studies have shown limited daytime warming, particularly in urban areas or with specific panel configurations. However, the overall evidence suggests cooling is more prevalent.

Conclusion:
While complex and variable, the evidence suggests that solar farms, especially in arid regions and during the daytime, are capable of creating a localized cooling effect, impacting land surface temperature and potentially influencing surrounding ecosystems.

No studies? Post the several studies.

Ding-a-ling. Without a study an opinion piece means nothing.
Ding-a-ling posted an opinion.

 

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No studies? Post the several studies.

Ding-a-ling. Without a study an opinion piece means nothing.
Ding-a-ling posted an opinion.

You are so easy to trigger.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, several studies indicate that
solar farms can create a localized cooling effect, particularly during the daytime. This is attributed to two main factors:

• Photovoltaic Conversion: Solar panels convert a portion of the incoming solar energy into electricity. This conversion process removes some of the energy that would have otherwise been absorbed by the land surface and dissipated as heat. This removal of energy from the immediate environment leads to a cooling effect.
• Albedo Effect (Modified by PV panels):While dark-colored panels might initially suggest warming due to lower albedo (reflectivity), the effective albedo(considering energy converted to electricity) tends to increase significantly. This increased effective albedo further contributes to cooling.

Specific Findings:

• Global Assessment (116 solar farms): A global study analyzing 116 solar farms found a statistically significant cooling effect on land surface temperature (LST) during the daytime, with an average reduction of 0.49 Kelvin. This effect was strongest in barren lands (-0.77 K), followed by grasslands (-0.47 K), and weakest in croplands (-0.25 K).
• Arid Regions: Studies on solar parks in arid locations have found they produced 'cool islands' extending around 700 meters from the boundaries. These cool islands reduced the surrounding land surface temperature by up to 2.3°C at 100 meters, with the effect lessening further out.
• Field Data and Simulations: A study analyzing data and using simulations from a large solar farm in North America found that, although air temperatures within the array could be higher, the thermal energy dissipated at higher elevations (5 to 18 meters). The data also indicated a decline in air temperature to ambient levels at about 300 meters from the perimeter.

Important Considerations:

• Variability:The magnitude and even the direction (warming vs. cooling) of the localized temperature impact can vary considerably depending on factors such as:
  • Solar farm size and capacity
  • Land cover type (barren land, grassland, cropland)
  • Installation methods
  • Regional and seasonal variations
• Potential for Warming: Some studies have shown limited daytime warming, particularly in urban areas or with specific panel configurations. However, the overall evidence suggests cooling is more prevalent.

Conclusion:
While complex and variable, the evidence suggests that solar farms, especially in arid regions and during the daytime, are capable of creating a localized cooling effect, impacting land surface temperature and potentially influencing surrounding ecosystems.

solar farms can create a localized cooling effect, particularly during the daytime.

But not a planet-wide cooling effect.

This conversion process removes some of the energy that would have otherwise been absorbed by the land surface and dissipated as heat. This removal of energy from the immediate environment leads to a cooling effect.

The heat is moved, not destroyed.
Like my freezer.

 

[ding]

solar farms can create a localized cooling effect, particularly during the daytime.

But not a planet-wide cooling effect.

This conversion process removes some of the energy that would have otherwise been absorbed by the land surface and dissipated as heat. This removal of energy from the immediate environment leads to a cooling effect.

The heat is moved, not destroyed.
Like my freezer.

So you agree they create a localized cooling at the farms.

Cover enough of the surface of the planet and it’s a global impact.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So you agree they create a localized cooling at the farms.

Cover enough of the surface of the planet and it’s a global impact.

So you agree they create a localized cooling at the farms.

Moving energy from one spot to another tends to do that.
Now add the localized warming where the electricity is used.

Cover enough of the surface of the planet and it’s a global impact.

I know. The lower albedo will warm the planet.

 

[ding]

So you agree they create a localized cooling at the farms.

Moving energy from one spot to another tends to do that.
Now add the localized warming where the electricity is used.

Cover enough of the surface of the planet and it’s a global impact.

I know. The lower albedo will warm the planet.

You have already agreed solar farms cause localized cooling effects. That’s good enough for me.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You have already agreed solar farms cause localized cooling effects. That’s good enough for me.

Did you ever find the biggest uses of household electricity?

 

[ding]

Did you ever find the biggest uses of household electricity?

You already agreed that solar farms cause localized cooling. That’s all I needed on that.

If you want to discuss waste heat you are going to need to say the magic words. You need to say that you believe that 100% of the electricity that is used (including electricity that was used to perform work), heats the surface of planet just like sunlight striking the surface of the planet?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You already agreed that solar farms cause localized cooling. That’s all I needed on that.

If you want to discuss waste heat you are going to need to say the magic words. You need to say that you believe that 100% of the electricity that is used (including electricity that was used to perform work), heats the surface of planet just like sunlight striking the surface of the planet?

You already agreed that solar farms cause localized cooling.

I never cared one way or the other about local effects. It's the entire system that matters.

If you want to discuss waste heat you are going to need to say the magic words.

Most electricity used ends up as heat. No magic needed.

heats the surface of planet just like sunlight striking the surface of the planet?

Less sunlight is reflected back to space from the panels than from the surface.
That's all I need.

No need for you to keep running.......

 

[elektra]

You are so easy to trigger.

Nice, ding-a-ling finally admits ding has taken this personal and is trying to trigger me.

Ding-a-ling, you failed again. And again.

I really dont care that you got your feelings hurt. You copy and paste the propaganda of the AGW nuts. When asked to explain ding a ling, you cant, ding must go to google to find another link

Ding-a-ling, you think you are smart by copying and pasting from a google search when you are questioned. Google searches prove you dont know anything.

Solar panels get hot and generate heat. Most objects in the sun get hot. Ding-a-ling ignores the basics.

Generating electricity also creates heat. Solar panels generate heat. Everyone says so.

Ding-a-ling, everything you copy and pasted agrees with me. That is why they start the study with the word, MAYBE

 

[ding]

You already agreed that solar farms cause localized cooling.

I never cared one way or the other about local effects. It's the entire system that matters.

If you want to discuss waste heat you are going to need to say the magic words.

Most electricity used ends up as heat. No magic needed.

heats the surface of planet just like sunlight striking the surface of the planet?

Less sunlight is reflected back to space from the panels than from the surface.
That's all I need.

No need for you to keep running.......

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See post #135.

 

[ding]

Nice, ding-a-ling finally admits ding has taken this personal and is trying to trigger me.

Ding-a-ling, you failed again. And again.

I really dont care that you got your feelings hurt. You copy and paste the propaganda of the AGW nuts. When asked to explain ding a ling, you cant, ding must go to google to find another link

Ding-a-ling, you think you are smart by copying and pasting from a google search when you are questioned. Google searches prove you dont know anything.

Solar panels get hot and generate heat. Most objects in the sun get hot. Ding-a-ling ignores the basics.

Generating electricity also creates heat. Solar panels generate heat. Everyone says so.

Ding-a-ling, everything you copy and pasted agrees with me. That is why they start the study with the word, MAYBE

Woot!!!

 

[elektra]

Woot!!!

Yes, things get hot in the sun then they give off heat during the day. Solar panels do not violate this basic principle.

Not only are solar panels getting hot by the sun the electricity the solar panel generates is a separate source of heat.

At best less than 18% of sunlight is turned into electricity.

I am happy I am educating you