Solar panels and sheep

[ding]

Did you figure out the top 10 electricity uses in your home?

Have you said that you believe that 100% of the electricity that is used (including electricity that was used to perform work), heats the surface of planet just like sunlight striking the surface of the planet?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That's quite the leap in logic. Were you meaning to disregard natural warming?

Your claim is the panels heat the planet just as much as the sunlight hitting the planet would, but we're cooler because less coal and other fossil fuel use.

Are you changing your claim already?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Have you said that you believe that 100% of the electricity that is used (including electricity that was used to perform work), heats the surface of planet just like sunlight striking the surface of the planet?

Probably as close to 100% as we could measure.

Like the electricity used in your home becomes mostly heat.

 

[ding]

Your claim is the panels heat the planet just as much as the sunlight hitting the planet would, but we're cooler because less coal and other fossil fuel use.

Are you changing your claim already?

My claim is that satellites measured a localized cooling affect above six solar farms and that if you cover enough land with them it can cause the planet to go from net warming to net cooling.

 

[ding]

Probably as close to 100% as we could measure.

Like the electricity used in your home becomes mostly heat.

You need to say the whole sentence. You need to say that you believe that 100% of the electricity that is used (including electricity that was used to perform work), heats the surface of planet just like sunlight striking the surface of the planet?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

My claim is that satellites measured a localized cooling affect above six solar farms and that if you cover enough land with them it can cause the planet to go from net warming to net cooling.

I know. That's a funny claim.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You need to say the whole sentence. You need to say that you believe that 100% of the electricity that is used (including electricity that was used to perform work), heats the surface of planet just like sunlight striking the surface of the planet?

Close enough to 100%. And because of the lower albedo, it heats the planet more.

 

[ding]

Close enough to 100%. And because of the lower albedo, it heats the planet more.

Not according to the satellite data.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Not according to the satellite data.

If you only look at the areas you're moving energy from,
you're missing half the system.

 

[ding]

If you only look at the areas you're moving energy from,
you're missing half the system.

So glad you finally acknowledged the satellite data. Thank you.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So glad you finally acknowledged the satellite data. Thank you.

The satellite data said the inside of my freezer is cooler as well.

Is my freezer cooling the planet?

Or does the satellite need to also look where the energy is going?

 

[elektra]

I'll go with the satellite measurements and the law of conservation.

Satellite-observed changes of surface spectral reflectances due to solar farming and the implication for radiation budget - IOPscience

Satellite-observed changes of surface spectral reflectances due to solar farming and the implication for radiation budget, Fan, Chongxing, Huang, Xianglei

iopscience.iop.org

5. Conclusions and discussion
By analyzing MODIS retrieved surface reflectances over the six solar-farm sites as well as their neighboring control sites, we show that the changes due to solar panel installation can be detected in surface spectral reflectances at the MODIS Bands 1–7. The case study with the DSSF site shows a 20%–25% reduction of surface reflectances at the seven MODIS bands. Radiative transfer calculation suggests that such a reduction of surface reflectance can lead to a ∼23% decrease in surface upward shortwave flux and a ∼14%–18% decrease in TOA clear-sky reflected shortwave flux.

How about providing a working link

Ding-a-ling, nothing in your copy and paste says the temperature is cooler around solar panels.

Ding-a-ling, why do you need a supposed study when you can go outside and stand next to the solar farm and measure the temperature.

Ding-a-ling, your copy and paste proves you are wrong. Pretty clear if you could comprehend what you posted.

 

[elektra]

Radiative transfer calculation suggests ... can lead ...

A calculation suggests? Seriously, when for the cost of a tank of gas ding-a-ling could stand next to a solar farm and take the temperature with a telephone.

Physically measuring the temperature results in a simple fact, solar panels get extremely hot and then transfer the heat back into the climate raising temperatures

 

[elektra]

I'll go with the satellite measurements and the law of conservation.

No, you will go with your low intelligence reasoning and ignore what the actual solar industry states as fact. I gave you links to the solar industry which you do not have the common sense to understamd

 

[ding]

How about providing a working link

Ding-a-ling, nothing in your copy and paste says the temperature is cooler around solar panels.

Ding-a-ling, why do you need a supposed study when you can go outside and stand next to the solar farm and measure the temperature.

Ding-a-ling, your copy and paste proves you are wrong. Pretty clear if you could comprehend what you posted.

How many times do I need to give you the link? Maybe go back to the first time you didn’t look at it.

 

[ding]

No, you will go with your low intelligence reasoning and ignore what the actual solar industry states as fact. I gave you links to the solar industry which you do not have the common sense to understamd

Textbook dunning effect.

 

[elektra]

That's because you refuse to believe that solar radiation converted into electricity is solar radiation that doesn't warm the surface of the planet.

I heard the solar radiation is converted into electricity that warms the planet.

Ding-a-ling ain't got the common sense to know stuff that is black will get extremely hot and white stuff dont.

Then of course ding-a-ling aunt got the common sense to know thst generating electricity creates heat. Like the 100's of miles of electrical conductors on a solar farm are a source of heat.

 

[elektra]

How many times do I need to give you the link? Maybe go back to the first time you didn’t look at it.

You just gave a broken link. I never asked for a link but you somehow dont have the intelligence to realize you gave the links without being asked.

You gave a link that dont work cause all you did was a low intelligence copy and paste

Why do you ignore all the scientific research put out by the solar companies that explain solar panels are hot

Your copy and paste does not state a thing about the temperature. I would love the actual paper.

Either way, your copy and paste simply says, maybe something happens but it does not state the temperature decreases

 

[elektra]

Textbook dunning effect.

Quote and link, to what you gave a broken link to.

 

[elektra]

How many times do I need to give you the link? Maybe go back to the first time you didn’t look at it.

You dont have to give one at all and I see why you posted a broken link

Ding-a-ling's link, study states the opposite of what ding believes! Here is the link ding refused to give

Satellite-observed changes of surface spectral reflectances due to solar farming and the implication for radiation budget - IOPscience

Satellite-observed changes of surface spectral reflectances due to solar farming and the implication for radiation budget, Fan, Chongxing, Huang, Xianglei

iopscience.iop.org