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To the libtards who do want revolution, would be a big mistake since about 180 million concerned US citizens have most of the weapons in the US. Obama taught US well and what to expect.You just proved yourself ignorant. This should tell you something, but it probably won't.
Obama cuts social security...
"Brilliant" ........Your claim that Obama cutting SS is not a lie because you lied about it before????? What a complete asshole you must be......LOL
Both kaz and gipper try to make words means something they don't. Grizz got ousted on that last night.
SS is ours not Congress. Congress will touch it at its peril.
Obama cut Social Security. It is a FACT. Why is it that you two dummies can't accept facts?
Two popular methods of claiming Social Security benefits are disappearing thanks to the budget deal worked out between Congress and the White House. The House of Representatives has passed the measure and the Senate is widely expected to follow suit.
“File-and-Suspend” and “File-and-Restrict” are both used by couples to boost the amount of Social Security they receive together. They were the unintentional results of a hastily-written piece of legislation called “Senior Citizens’ Freedom to Work Act” passed in 2000 when Bill Clinton was president.
The main intention of this Act was to remove the penalty on individuals who were receiving Social Security benefits and income from a job. If your annual earnings from work exceed a certain amount, Social Security stops paying you some - and potentially all – of your benefits for the year. This law eliminated the benefit hold-back once an individual reached full retirement age (FRA).(1)
What we need is a revolution!!
Which is a left wing code word for world wide tyrannical socialism.
An armed man is a citizen; a disarmed man is a subject
Anyone who calls it an entitlement or welfare is simply not being honest.And we can all agree that Missourian has no idea of what is being discussed.
One, SS is not an entitlement.
Two, it is an old age insurance program into which we all pay.
Three, it is our money.
Should be, but isn't. Not a dime from your check came from your pocket, it came from your children. Just like any other welfare recipient
Everyone calls it that. Even the people who created it.
What is it then? And who else agrees?
Apparently
Jake getting Welfare
$$$ : Taxpayer >> general fund >> Jake
We all agree on that, if Jake gets welfare, taxpayers are paying him money.
Now let's examine the cash flow for Social security:
$$$ : Taxpayer >> general fund >> Jake
OMG, it's identical! Clearly it's a different thing then ...
That isn't how Social Security works though.
It goes Taxpayer -> Social Security -> Jake
back to Taxpayer <- promised benefits
excess cash -> general fund -> bonds in the Trust Fund -> Jake
This works a lot like a private pension why isn't a private pension welfare? It works exactly like a private pension, the only meaningful difference is the price. Originally it was a lot lower than a private pension, and how is a lot higher. Why is that no private pension is saying just-put-the-money-back.
FDR didn't create the program where the government spent the money instead of investing it, that came later.
And you're playing word games. They save no money, they take the money from taxpayers just like any other welfare program. What kind of "economist" are you who thinks taking money from taxpayers and giving it to someone else is any kind of trust fund? Not a good one, or you just made it up.
Here's the difference between those on social security today and those on other welfare programs today.
The ones on social security today gave us a tip. Do the same to your kids ...
I reject that and want to change it. I don't want to do that to my kids even if our parents did do it to us
Your post is deranged. I don't know WTF you are talking about.When I was working in Saudi Arabia, not having to pay taxes other than FICA, William Jefferson(I did not have sexual relations with that woman) Clinton was bantering about doing away with Social Security because the liberals in the House and Senate were stealing SS from the lockbox. So at that time I heavily invested in the stock market and today have a considerable fortune to retire on. Now I did pay the full amount into the SS fund, and now, I shouldn't receive the full amount I am Due? The shitfucks who sat on their liberal asses sucking from the government teat, who didn't pay anything into the system, should get more? And I guess you libtards want the US to eventually end up like Venezuela also?You just proved yourself ignorant. This should tell you something, but it probably won't.
Obama cuts social security...
"Brilliant" ........Your claim that Obama cutting SS is not a lie because you lied about it before????? What a complete asshole you must be......LOL
Both kaz and gipper try to make words means something they don't. Grizz got ousted on that last night.
SS is ours not Congress. Congress will touch it at its peril.
Obama cut Social Security. It is a FACT. Why is it that you two dummies can't accept facts?
Two popular methods of claiming Social Security benefits are disappearing thanks to the budget deal worked out between Congress and the White House. The House of Representatives has passed the measure and the Senate is widely expected to follow suit.
“File-and-Suspend” and “File-and-Restrict” are both used by couples to boost the amount of Social Security they receive together. They were the unintentional results of a hastily-written piece of legislation called “Senior Citizens’ Freedom to Work Act” passed in 2000 when Bill Clinton was president.
The main intention of this Act was to remove the penalty on individuals who were receiving Social Security benefits and income from a job. If your annual earnings from work exceed a certain amount, Social Security stops paying you some - and potentially all – of your benefits for the year. This law eliminated the benefit hold-back once an individual reached full retirement age (FRA).(1)
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Anyone who calls it an entitlement or welfare is simply not being honest.Should be, but isn't. Not a dime from your check came from your pocket, it came from your children. Just like any other welfare recipient
Everyone calls it that. Even the people who created it.
What is it then? And who else agrees?
Apparently
Jake getting Welfare
$$$ : Taxpayer >> general fund >> Jake
We all agree on that, if Jake gets welfare, taxpayers are paying him money.
Now let's examine the cash flow for Social security:
$$$ : Taxpayer >> general fund >> Jake
OMG, it's identical! Clearly it's a different thing then ...
That isn't how Social Security works though.
It goes Taxpayer -> Social Security -> Jake
back to Taxpayer <- promised benefits
excess cash -> general fund -> bonds in the Trust Fund -> Jake
This works a lot like a private pension why isn't a private pension welfare? It works exactly like a private pension, the only meaningful difference is the price. Originally it was a lot lower than a private pension, and how is a lot higher. Why is that no private pension is saying just-put-the-money-back.
Bull shit. Social Security is paid into and out of the general fund. No money goes to social security or comes out of social security. The money coming in is spent as it comes in. The money going out is paid by taxes and borrowing like all other expenses. Learn what you're talking about before you post stupid shit.
It doesn't work anything like a pension., Those have trust funds, social security has none
^^^^Your post is deranged. I don't know WTF you are talking about.
I am merely pointing out that Big Ears cut Social Security benefits, with the help of Congress last year, and very little about it was reported in the media and the D party voted overwhelmingly for the cut. Most Americans do not know he cut SS, yet we are told that any politician wishing to cut SS is cutting off his/her head.
I am not arguing for SS to be eliminated. I too have paid into it and at the max for many years. I expect to receive its benefits when the time comes.
FDR didn't create the program where the government spent the money instead of investing it, that came later.
And you're playing word games. They save no money, they take the money from taxpayers just like any other welfare program. What kind of "economist" are you who thinks taking money from taxpayers and giving it to someone else is any kind of trust fund? Not a good one, or you just made it up.
Here's the difference between those on social security today and those on other welfare programs today.
The ones on social security today gave us a tip. Do the same to your kids ...
I reject that and want to change it. I don't want to do that to my kids even if our parents did do it to us
"FDR very carefully went over the actuarial tables and discovered to his surprise that the program was not fully "self- supporting" as he had directed it should be. He summoned Secretary Perkins to the White House on the afternoon of the 16th to tell her that there must be some mistake in the actuarial tables because they showed a large federal subsidy beginning in 1965. When informed that this was no mistake, the President made it clear it was indeed a mistake, although of a different kind! He told the Secretary to get to work immediately to devise a fully self-sustaining old age insurance system."
Social Security History
Actually I am not playing word games. I am giving you english meanings of the words. I simply asked you what word game you are playing. I simply asked how is Social Security different from any other private pension - other than pricing. I have worked in banking ops. Operationally they are they same - yet no one in banking complains about their money being stolen.
If you want change, and you are wise to want that, what are you doing about it. Here you are largely injecting ideology over fact. That helps no one particularly your kids because it drags the discussion into polarized stalemate.
Social Security and Medicare are the reasons I do not vote Republican at the federal level.
Some are bitching about how the taxes are gathered and deposited. Nothing wrong about that: fix it. To bitch about SS and its purpose, however, reveals an individual's broken moral character.
Anyone who calls it an entitlement or welfare is simply not being honest.
Everyone calls it that. Even the people who created it.
What is it then? And who else agrees?
Apparently
Jake getting Welfare
$$$ : Taxpayer >> general fund >> Jake
We all agree on that, if Jake gets welfare, taxpayers are paying him money.
Now let's examine the cash flow for Social security:
$$$ : Taxpayer >> general fund >> Jake
OMG, it's identical! Clearly it's a different thing then ...
That isn't how Social Security works though.
It goes Taxpayer -> Social Security -> Jake
back to Taxpayer <- promised benefits
excess cash -> general fund -> bonds in the Trust Fund -> Jake
This works a lot like a private pension why isn't a private pension welfare? It works exactly like a private pension, the only meaningful difference is the price. Originally it was a lot lower than a private pension, and how is a lot higher. Why is that no private pension is saying just-put-the-money-back.
Bull shit. Social Security is paid into and out of the general fund. No money goes to social security or comes out of social security. The money coming in is spent as it comes in. The money going out is paid by taxes and borrowing like all other expenses. Learn what you're talking about before you post stupid shit.
It doesn't work anything like a pension., Those have trust funds, social security has none
If you want to help your kids, you will serve them best by learning facts and cease the ideology. Social Security has massive problems, one that you can't see because you don't invest the time to learn how the system works. But I have wasted enough time in this exchange.
Fallacy of false equivalency. You take a specific standard then fail when trying to expand it to all situations.Some are bitching about how the taxes are gathered and deposited. Nothing wrong about that: fix it. To bitch about SS and its purpose, however, reveals an individual's broken moral character.
That means if you don't agree with me you have a broken moral character. The irony of that post is staggering.
You have the misguided idea that all we have to do is put the money back, and the problem is solved. To not question the entire program reveals a broken common sense. To stand by asking no questions about the program and say that the consequences are not important because they do not fall on me reveals a broken moral character.
Only an idiot would think the program is fine...hence Jake is an idiot, but we already knew that.Some are bitching about how the taxes are gathered and deposited. Nothing wrong about that: fix it. To bitch about SS and its purpose, however, reveals an individual's broken moral character.
That means if you don't agree with me you have a broken moral character. The irony of that post is staggering.
You have the misguided idea that all we have to do is put the money back, and the problem is solved. To not question the entire program reveals a broken common sense. To stand by asking no questions about the program and say that the consequences are not important because they do not fall on me reveals a broken moral character.
Some are bitching about how the taxes are gathered and deposited. Nothing wrong about that: fix it. To bitch about SS and its purpose, however, reveals an individual's broken moral character.
That means if you don't agree with me you have a broken moral character. The irony of that post is staggering.
You have the misguided idea that all we have to do is put the money back, and the problem is solved. To not question the entire program reveals a broken common sense. To stand by asking no questions about the program and say that the consequences are not important because they do not fall on me reveals a broken moral character.
Some need their socialist entitlement programs… LOL
FDR didn't create the program where the government spent the money instead of investing it, that came later.
And you're playing word games. They save no money, they take the money from taxpayers just like any other welfare program. What kind of "economist" are you who thinks taking money from taxpayers and giving it to someone else is any kind of trust fund? Not a good one, or you just made it up.
Here's the difference between those on social security today and those on other welfare programs today.
The ones on social security today gave us a tip. Do the same to your kids ...
I reject that and want to change it. I don't want to do that to my kids even if our parents did do it to us
"FDR very carefully went over the actuarial tables and discovered to his surprise that the program was not fully "self- supporting" as he had directed it should be. He summoned Secretary Perkins to the White House on the afternoon of the 16th to tell her that there must be some mistake in the actuarial tables because they showed a large federal subsidy beginning in 1965. When informed that this was no mistake, the President made it clear it was indeed a mistake, although of a different kind! He told the Secretary to get to work immediately to devise a fully self-sustaining old age insurance system."
Social Security History
I said, "FDR didn't create the program where the government spent the money instead of investing it, that came later." Why are you still arguing that point as if I said otherwise?
Actually I am not playing word games. I am giving you english meanings of the words. I simply asked you what word game you are playing. I simply asked how is Social Security different from any other private pension - other than pricing. I have worked in banking ops. Operationally they are they same - yet no one in banking complains about their money being stolen.
If you want change, and you are wise to want that, what are you doing about it. Here you are largely injecting ideology over fact. That helps no one particularly your kids because it drags the discussion into polarized stalemate.
Yes, you are playing word games and I already answered that question. The difference between social security and private pensions is PRIVATE PENSIONS SAVE MONEY. Social Security is paid out of the general fund. Just like every other expense INCLUDING welfare.
Maybe you could read my posts before responding to them. You were 0 for 2 on that one
FDR didn't create the program where the government spent the money instead of investing it, that came later.
And you're playing word games. They save no money, they take the money from taxpayers just like any other welfare program. What kind of "economist" are you who thinks taking money from taxpayers and giving it to someone else is any kind of trust fund? Not a good one, or you just made it up.
Here's the difference between those on social security today and those on other welfare programs today.
The ones on social security today gave us a tip. Do the same to your kids ...
I reject that and want to change it. I don't want to do that to my kids even if our parents did do it to us
"FDR very carefully went over the actuarial tables and discovered to his surprise that the program was not fully "self- supporting" as he had directed it should be. He summoned Secretary Perkins to the White House on the afternoon of the 16th to tell her that there must be some mistake in the actuarial tables because they showed a large federal subsidy beginning in 1965. When informed that this was no mistake, the President made it clear it was indeed a mistake, although of a different kind! He told the Secretary to get to work immediately to devise a fully self-sustaining old age insurance system."
Social Security History
I said, "FDR didn't create the program where the government spent the money instead of investing it, that came later." Why are you still arguing that point as if I said otherwise?
Yes, you are playing word games and I already answered that question. The difference between social security and private pensions is PRIVATE PENSIONS SAVE MONEY. Social Security is paid out of the general fund. Just like every other expense INCLUDING welfare.
Maybe you could read my posts before responding to them. You were 0 for 2 on that one
Well you will have to live a long time in retirement collecting your social security benefit, to obtain a gain.Some need their socialist entitlement programs… LOL
Fuckin' ay right!
And anytime they want to pay me back for every penny I put into the system (along with a reasonable amount of interest) they're more than welcome. Until then, keep your grubby, republican mitts off MY money.
Some of us are responsible enough not to request anything from the nanny state… LOLSome need their socialist entitlement programs… LOL
Fuckin' ay right!
And anytime they want to pay me back for every penny I put into the system (along with a reasonable amount of interest) they're more than welcome. Until then, keep your grubby, republican mitts off MY money.
