Freewill
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And digging up dirt about an opponent has never happened in the history of the country. Hell if that were true Obama never would have been a Senator let alone president.
so..
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Wry Catcher
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Why do you defend Trump?
brummelben
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Its not about digging up dirt, but going to the Russians to get information. That is the issue
brummelben
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Being summoned to a meeting with representatives of Russia to get information on a political opponent, is a bunch of BS?
Seawytch
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Um, yes, yes someone did...that someone was Vladimir Putin.
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
Key Judgments
Russian efforts to influence the 2016 US presidential election represent the most recent expression of Moscow’s longstanding desire to undermine the US-led liberal democratic order, but these activities demonstrated a significant escalation in directness, level of activity, and scope of effort compared to previous operations. We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments.
We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him. All three agencies agree with this judgment. CIA and FBI have high confidence in this judgment; NSA has moderate confidence.
Moscow’s approach evolved over the course of the campaign based on Russia’s understanding of the electoral prospects of the two main candidates. When it appeared to Moscow that Secretary Clinton was likely to win the election, the Russian influence campaign began to focus more on undermining her future presidency.
Further information has come to light since Election Day that, when combined with Russian behavior since early November 2016, increases our confidence in our assessments of Russian motivations and goals. Moscow’s influence campaign followed a Russian messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence operations—such as cyber activity—with overt efforts by Russian Government agencies, state-funded media, third-party intermediaries, and paid social media users or “trolls.”
Moscow’s approach evolved over the course of the campaign based on Russia’s understanding of the electoral prospects of the two main candidates. When it appeared to Moscow that Secretary Clinton was likely to win the election, the Russian influence campaign began to focus more on undermining her future presidency.
Further information has come to light since Election Day that, when combined with Russian behavior since early November 2016, increases our confidence in our assessments of Russian motivations and goals. Moscow’s influence campaign followed a Russian messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence operations—such as cyber activity—with overt efforts by Russian Government agencies, state-funded media, third-party intermediaries, and paid social media users or “trolls.”
Russia, like its Soviet predecessor, has a history of conducting covert influence campaigns focused on US presidential elections that have used intelligence officers and agents and press placements to disparage candidates perceived as hostile to the Kremlin.
Russia’s intelligence services conducted cyber operations against targets associated with the 2016 US presidential election, including targets associated with both major US political parties.
We assess with high confidence that Russian military intelligence (General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate or GRU) used the Guccifer 2.0 persona and DCLeaks.com to release US victim data obtained in cyber operations publicly and in exclusives to media outlets and relayed material to WikiLeaks.
Russian intelligence obtained and maintained access to elements of multiple US state or local electoral boards. DHS assesses that the types of systems Russian actors targeted or compromised were not involved in vote tallying.
Russia’s state-run propaganda machine contributed to the influence campaign by serving as a platform for Kremlin messaging to Russian and international audiences. We assess Moscow will apply lessons learned from its Putin-ordered campaign aimed at the US presidential election to future influence efforts worldwide, including against US allies and their election processes.
We assess with high confidence that Russian military intelligence (General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate or GRU) used the Guccifer 2.0 persona and DCLeaks.com to release US victim data obtained in cyber operations publicly and in exclusives to media outlets and relayed material to WikiLeaks.
Russian intelligence obtained and maintained access to elements of multiple US state or local electoral boards. DHS assesses that the types of systems Russian actors targeted or compromised were not involved in vote tallying.
Russia’s state-run propaganda machine contributed to the influence campaign by serving as a platform for Kremlin messaging to Russian and international audiences. We assess Moscow will apply lessons learned from its Putin-ordered campaign aimed at the US presidential election to future influence efforts worldwide, including against US allies and their election processes.
brummelben
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The meeting was specifically set up that a Russian had information on Hillary Clinton. Now make your own assumptions.
Seawytch
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Yes, we will wait for the investigation to conclude. Sit back, it's going to take a while...there's a lot to look into.
Lawyer Who Met With Trump Jr. Has Ties To Russian Government
Veselnitskaya has a history of advocating for the Russian government. Her clients include "state-owned businesses and a senior government official's son," reports the New York Times.
She also was married to a former deputy transportation minister in the Moscow region.
Veselnitskaya is a Russian lawyer, who, like many involved in the Trump and Russia saga, isn't directly employed by the Russian government but has a number of deeper government ties. The Russian government often operates by using not only its own employees but those with informal or personal relationships to its key leaders.
In the U.S., Veselnitskaya is best known for fighting to repeal sanctions against Russia signed by President Barack Obama in 2012. The law, called the Magnitsky Act, freezes the assets of and denies visas to Russian citizens it says were using the U.S. market to launder money they gained through fraud. As of January, 44 people were subject to the sanctions.
The sanctions spurred a response from the Kremlin that included a similar blacklist in Russia — and also included a provision that bars Americans from adopting Russian children.
Veselnitskaya has worked to fight the law in Washington, but also to discredit the law's namesake, Sergei Magnitsky, who uncovered an alleged $230 million Russian corruption scandal.
She also was married to a former deputy transportation minister in the Moscow region.
Veselnitskaya is a Russian lawyer, who, like many involved in the Trump and Russia saga, isn't directly employed by the Russian government but has a number of deeper government ties. The Russian government often operates by using not only its own employees but those with informal or personal relationships to its key leaders.
In the U.S., Veselnitskaya is best known for fighting to repeal sanctions against Russia signed by President Barack Obama in 2012. The law, called the Magnitsky Act, freezes the assets of and denies visas to Russian citizens it says were using the U.S. market to launder money they gained through fraud. As of January, 44 people were subject to the sanctions.
The sanctions spurred a response from the Kremlin that included a similar blacklist in Russia — and also included a provision that bars Americans from adopting Russian children.
Veselnitskaya has worked to fight the law in Washington, but also to discredit the law's namesake, Sergei Magnitsky, who uncovered an alleged $230 million Russian corruption scandal.
depotoo
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Maybe because you don't question enough?
New questions over claim Russia hacked the election | Daily Mail Online
Well, if there are supposedly 2 other cyber experts that EXAMINED the servers, who are they?
And why does crowdstrike refuse to testify?
What Is CrowdStrike? Firm Hired By DNC Has Ties To Hillary Clinton, A Ukrainian Billionaire, And Google | Zero Hedge
CrowdStrike denied bid to block security report in legal challenge against ''subversive'' NSS Labs | ZDNet
(NSS clients are Goldman Sachs, Intel, Vanguard, Novartis to name a few)
On February 10, CrowdStrike appealed to the Delaware courts to lay down a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction which would block the release of the NSS Labs Advanced Endpoint Protection (AEP) group report, due to be showcased at the RSA 2017 conference in San Francisco this week.
According to court documents, the Delaware court disagreed with CrowdStrike's arguments for the restraining order. CrowdStrike said, among other things, that while a public and private test was performed by NSS Labs in a poor fashion, a "negative report shouted from the stage at the RSA Conference would damage" the firm's reputation, which would result in "irreparable harm."
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U.S. cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike has revised and retracted statements it used to buttress claims of Russian hacking during last year’s American presidential election campaign. The shift followed a VOA report that the company misrepresented data published by an influential British think tank.
In December, CrowdStrike said it found evidence that Russians hacked into a Ukrainian artillery app, contributing to heavy losses of howitzers in Ukraine’s war with pro-Russian separatists.
VOA reported Tuesday that the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), which publishes an annual reference estimating the strength of world armed forces, disavowed the CrowdStrike report and said it had never been contacted by the company.
"Something Stinks Here" - CrowdStrike Revises, Retracts Parts Of Explosive Russian Hacking Report » The Hagmann Report
WASHINGTON —
An influential British think tank and Ukraine’s military are disputing a report that the U.S. cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike has used to buttress its claims of Russian hacking in the presidential election.
But the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) told VOA that CrowdStrike erroneously used IISS data as proof of the intrusion. IISS disavowed any connection to the CrowdStrike report. Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense also has claimed combat losses and hacking never happened.
Think Tank: Cyber Firm at Center of Russian Hacking Charges Misread Data
New questions over claim Russia hacked the election | Daily Mail Online
Well, if there are supposedly 2 other cyber experts that EXAMINED the servers, who are they?
And why does crowdstrike refuse to testify?
What Is CrowdStrike? Firm Hired By DNC Has Ties To Hillary Clinton, A Ukrainian Billionaire, And Google | Zero Hedge
CrowdStrike denied bid to block security report in legal challenge against ''subversive'' NSS Labs | ZDNet
(NSS clients are Goldman Sachs, Intel, Vanguard, Novartis to name a few)
On February 10, CrowdStrike appealed to the Delaware courts to lay down a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction which would block the release of the NSS Labs Advanced Endpoint Protection (AEP) group report, due to be showcased at the RSA 2017 conference in San Francisco this week.
According to court documents, the Delaware court disagreed with CrowdStrike's arguments for the restraining order. CrowdStrike said, among other things, that while a public and private test was performed by NSS Labs in a poor fashion, a "negative report shouted from the stage at the RSA Conference would damage" the firm's reputation, which would result in "irreparable harm."
...
U.S. cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike has revised and retracted statements it used to buttress claims of Russian hacking during last year’s American presidential election campaign. The shift followed a VOA report that the company misrepresented data published by an influential British think tank.
In December, CrowdStrike said it found evidence that Russians hacked into a Ukrainian artillery app, contributing to heavy losses of howitzers in Ukraine’s war with pro-Russian separatists.
VOA reported Tuesday that the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), which publishes an annual reference estimating the strength of world armed forces, disavowed the CrowdStrike report and said it had never been contacted by the company.
"Something Stinks Here" - CrowdStrike Revises, Retracts Parts Of Explosive Russian Hacking Report » The Hagmann Report
WASHINGTON —
An influential British think tank and Ukraine’s military are disputing a report that the U.S. cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike has used to buttress its claims of Russian hacking in the presidential election.
But the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) told VOA that CrowdStrike erroneously used IISS data as proof of the intrusion. IISS disavowed any connection to the CrowdStrike report. Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense also has claimed combat losses and hacking never happened.
Think Tank: Cyber Firm at Center of Russian Hacking Charges Misread Data
Iceweasel
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...not that they won't try, Sugarpuss.
depotoo
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Iceweasel
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What interference are you speaking of? It's like talking to shadows.
Lewdog
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So in one post Crowdstrike didn't want information about testing on a product being developed divulged publicly because it might hurt their reputation? Yeah that's understandable. What company would. It's in development, it's not a finished product.
The other reports? So a foreign government doesn't want it to be known to the world that hack on them made them vulnerable and the information to be used to prove hacks on the U.S.... I could see why they would want to deny that.
Seawytch
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And a Russian lawyer with deep ties to the Russian government would never lie, right?
brummelben
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What else is a Russian supposed to say? The point is that Trump Jr. went to that meeting, expecting the Russians to furnish
info on Clinton.
Luddly Neddite
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One forgotten meeting would be unbelievable but this many meetings with this many people?
Meetings taken by someone who is "new to politics" would almost be forgivable but what about Sessions and Pence?
One lie is unforgivable but we're up to hundreds of lies.
Why did Little DonDon change his story about this particular meeting?
If this had been an innocent meeting about adopting poor little Russian orphans, the trump klan would have been crowing about it.
This president never ever misses a chance to tell us how wonderful he is. Same with his spawn.
We know that he kept/stole money meant for a children's charity.
Apparently the word "adoption" translates to "sanctions".
Don Jr admitted to collusion but there's not really a law against that.
And this is only one of many meetings they conveniently forgot, not to mention money and other aspects. Every day, there's more and we haven't even seen the results of Mueller's investigation. Just about the time we'rer thinking they might be getting to thee bottom, more info comes out.
Meetings taken by someone who is "new to politics" would almost be forgivable but what about Sessions and Pence?
One lie is unforgivable but we're up to hundreds of lies.
Why did Little DonDon change his story about this particular meeting?
If this had been an innocent meeting about adopting poor little Russian orphans, the trump klan would have been crowing about it.
This president never ever misses a chance to tell us how wonderful he is. Same with his spawn.
We know that he kept/stole money meant for a children's charity.
Apparently the word "adoption" translates to "sanctions".
Don Jr admitted to collusion but there's not really a law against that.
And this is only one of many meetings they conveniently forgot, not to mention money and other aspects. Every day, there's more and we haven't even seen the results of Mueller's investigation. Just about the time we'rer thinking they might be getting to thee bottom, more info comes out.
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Offering derogatory information on Clinton, and getting back just what from the Trump administration. Do you understand quid pro quo?
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