Zone1 So you think God loves you

[Meriweather]

Right, right, right, and right. Luther was correct! The Just shall live by faith.

Define faith

 

[Eman623]

You're incorrect in more ways than one. I'm quite content and not a man.

I'm not so familiar with the type of contentment that forces one to challenge another who dares to suggest God loves him.

 

[zaangalewa]

You can what about for the next hundred years and still wonder what about.

The fact is, she worked hard, got herself a car and said God answered her prayers.

It seems a petty thing to pray for and a petty thing for Him to consider, to me.

So I have no idea what's your problem. Thought you criticize her without to know her motivation. "God helps" is for me reality. Otherwise nothing would work. So God gave her a car and she is happy about - and many others also helped. For example Bertha Benz.

If the word “thank you” were the only prayer you ever said, it would suffice.
Meister Eckhart

 

[GMCGeneral]

Define faith

Faith in Christ is defined as trusting in Him and Him alone for your salvation, relying on the Word of G-d, not a priest, pastor, etc. and His promises for eternal life as defined in John 3:16 and His gift of Salvation as defined in Ephesians 2:8-9 and not trusting in our works/performance as a qualifier to gain entrance into G-d's kingdom.

 

[zaangalewa]

the love the desert dwellers, christians have for them when they overwhelmingly voted hitler into office ...

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to this day.

You think and speak out nonsense. Hitler and his Nazis had been atheists - what you easily can see because the leading Nazis nearly never married in a church (except in some few cases on reason of political propaganda). And the last free unmanipulated elections before Hitler came had been in November 1932. I'm sure the elections in spring 1933 had been manipulated on reason to support the government "Hitler+Hindenburg" = "the private and the general". Hitler lost in November 1932 about 15% of his voters and got only about 1/3rd of the votes. Fewer protest voters. Nevertheless president Hindenburg made him to be the chancellor of Germany. Those days a chancellor had far not the power a chancellor has today. The parliament gave him the possibility to rule with emergency decrees. After they had done so Hitler did forbid all other political parties. When Hindenburg died (¿or was murdered?) Hitler made himselve to be also president of Germany. All political power was in his hands now.

By the way: At this time of history Hitler was admired worldwide a lot - also in the USA. This was a real problem for everyone who liked to kill Hitler. Many assassination attempts had to be stopped because Hitler created a new wave of enthusiasm worldwide. Nearly no one understood in such moments why it had been better to kill him. And later it was nearly impossible to do so. He survived also many serios and well planed assassination attempts which really had been done. ¿A contract with the devil? I guess against Hitler had been made more assassination plans and attempts than against all other German rulers together in the 1000 years before he came.

 

[zaangalewa]

Faith in Christ is defined as trusting in Him and Him alone for your salvation, relying on the Word of G-d, not a priest, pastor, etc. and His promises for eternal life as defined in John 3:16 and His gift of Salvation as defined in Ephesians 2:8-9 and not trusting in our works/performance as a qualifier to gain entrance into G-d's kingdom.

¿God is with every idiot who has not any plan what he reads when he reads the bible - but not with theologists who study the bible? ¿Really?

 

[BreezeWood]

Really. Where did Constantine come up with the idea?

rome ...

- the state religion of the roman empire ...

 

[Meriweather]

Faith in Christ is defined as trusting in Him and Him alone for your salvation, relying on the Word of G-d, not a priest, pastor, etc. and His promises for eternal life as defined in John 3:16 and His gift of Salvation as defined in Ephesians 2:8-9 and not trusting in our works/performance as a qualifier to gain entrance into G-d's kingdom.

Then you see faith as trust, the reliance on Christ. While sometimes used as synonyms, there is a difference between the two. How do you differentiate faith from trust? Or, do you?

 

[zaangalewa]

rome ...

- the state religion of the roman empire ...

Names of the 7 days of the Jewish 'invention' "week" - a psychological measure of time:

Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday

Day of the sun
Day of the moon
Tiw's day
Wodan's day
Thor's day
Frigg's day and/or Freia's day
Day of the Saturnalias

¿Why did never anyone change this?

 

[BreezeWood]

By the way: At this time of history Hitler was admired worldwide a lot - also in the USA. This was a real problem ...

- a problem derived from the desert religions.

you claim the opposite then add the above ... you are a loon.

desert dwellers since their beginning have accentuated evil in society and whoever would persecute and victimize the innocent have always had their blessings - their epitaph will always be their murdering jesus than ever bringing the crucifiers to justice ... zaang - the nail driver.

 

[ding]

- a problem derived from the desert religions.

you claim the opposite then add the above ... you are a loon.

desert dwellers since their beginning have accentuated evil in society and whoever would persecute and victimize the innocent have always had their blessings - their epitaph will always be their murdering jesus than ever bringing the crucifiers to justice ... zaang - the nail driver.

You really are full of shit.

 

[zaangalewa]

- a problem derived from the desert religions.

No idea what are you desert problems. I would suggest: Take a horse with no name if you are looking for not to believe in god but to believe in not-God.

you claim the opposite then add the above ... you are a loon.

Wenn Sie das Gegenteil behaupten und dann das oben Genannte hinzufügen, sind Sie ein Spinner. ...

"Haubentaucher" and "Spinner" are the same in English? Somehow funny. But what did you not understand?

desert dwellers

Wüstenbewohner? Sorry - Germany has nearly all landforms - what's very astonishing for our little country - but nowhere is a desert here.

since their beginning

Hmm ... I guess this was more than 50,000 years ago.

have accentuated evil in society

Eh?

and whoever would persecute and victimize the innocent have always had their blessings

Eh?

- their epitaph will always be their murdering jesus

¿Murdering Jesus? May it be you are no native English speaker and you are now lost in translation? DeepL is a good translating software.

than ever bringing the crucifiers to justice ... zaang - the nail driver.

What do you try to do here? To call Christians anti-Christians?

 

[zaangalewa]

BreezeWood

One day you will die. And perhaps only some few billion years later in another universe you will understand what you did do here and what are the full consequences of your past and current deeds. Do you think you will be happy at this moment?

I have no problem to speak with god and to laugh with him about his not-existence for example - because in this case I do many things which may hopefully help other persons only on wrong reasons - but with hopefully good consequences.

Instead to hide yourselve in your word salad - Why don't you just plant small plants in your desert and water them? Perhaps one day they will be a big jungle?

 

[BreezeWood]

What do you try to do here? To call Christians anti-Christians?

you never convey - what is christianity ... in reality. not to mention the ill fated bibles of all three desert religions.

name a period during recorded history christianity has not been at the forefront of persecution and victimization of the innocent ... what time period is the golden age of christianity - they haven't one - is an honest person's only reply.

* there never will be or ever was a messiah sent from the heavens that would help anyone. the 1st century events are the repudiation of judaism, liberation theology, self determination as taught by jesus - nothing mentioned in the 4th century christian bible.

 

[zaangalewa]

you never convey - what is christianity ... in reality. not to mention the ill fated bibles of all three desert religions.

name a period during recorded history christianity has not been at the forefront of persecution and victimization of the innocent ... what time period is the golden age of christianity - they haven't one - is an honest person's only reply.

* there never will be or ever was a messiah sent from the heavens that would help anyone. the 1st century events are the repudiation of judaism, liberation theology, self determination as taught by jesus - nothing mentioned in the 4th century christian bible.

A destructive belief. Mao murdered because of such a destructive form of belief up to 100 million Chinese. A quote from someone who had helped Mao in this time of history: ‘And then we did let him engage in self-criticism until he died.’ No joke. Stalin was also not harmless. And pharao Lenin, the modern Sowiet mummy of the belief atheism, is still today shocking.

I do not think your moral is moral - I think your moral is learned hate. Or perhaps her name was "Mary" and she did not like to kiss you. In such a case we will have perhaps to live forever with your eternal hate - what we and Mary will do with a light heart. But nevertheless you will suffer your own hate. If you should not know: You hate more than 50% of all mankind. Not a comfortable situation, isn't it? If you take yourselve serios then this will force you into an asymetric form of war if you will think/believe you are in a lost minority. A special form of asymetric war is called "terror". And if you remember the atheistic Nazis in this context: Consequently they murdered the people of god and consequently they also did do suicide when they had to overtake the responsibility for their own deeds here on Earth. Systematic murder and suicide are merely a way out of learned or self-imposed mental traps for people who have lost their faith in God (or other positive and creative forms of spirituality). The children of God – we – do not want to be your enemy. We are no one's enemy. But we protect our people. Death and destruction will not win. Life will win.

 

[BreezeWood]

Life will win.

get real, try anything else than the desert as proven by recorded history - otherwise what you claim will never be for you.

 

[zaangalewa]

get real,

I am real and serios: As far as I can see not any of the words I spoke to you is a humorful word. If you should think anything of this what I said to you is a joke then you are totally wrong. You don't understand in which damn dangerous selfmade hell you are living while you think you are a dangerous superior being. But you are only your own helpless joke.

try anything else than the desert as proven by recorded history - otherwise what you claim will never be for you.

Sure I am your challenger - your "devil". But your problem is not I, slave. Your problem is your misty unfreedom. You do not understand clear words. You do not think.

 

[Leo123]

God, through Jesus, has endeavored to show humans how to love themselves as a whole.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I hope you're correct.

I can't get past this.
Orange, you have a Father that loves you so much He can even tell the angels how many hairs you have on your head. He formed you in your mother's womb because He wanted you to be just who you are.
If He ever gets to hear your voice, the same One that created the universe, will literally dance over you. You are that important to Him. Whether you love Him back or not, you are His little baby lamb.
Sin keeps us separated from God, but He wants you with Him so much that he forgive your sin while you are committing it, so that He doesn't lose sight of you. He just wants to put His arms around you and keep you for eternity.
Let Him...

 

[forkintheroad7]

God, through Jesus, has endeavored to show humans how to love themselves as a whole.

He didn't speak much on love of self, for what should be obvious reasons.

About the only thing I can think of (and I've read the Bible cover to cover more than once) is

"Love your neighbor as yourself"

(not more than or instead of yourself)