So You Hate Socialism.......

[Asclepias]

Remove the obstacles from some the portions of the population and I am right there with you. If the economics are not the same the opportunity to succeed are not the same. When and only when that is fixed will any of the conservative rhetoric make sense.

Obstacles like what?

Racism. Economics. Educational just for starters.

Racism is mostly from the black community now. Economics affect everyone regardless of race and the equality in education has already been covered.
You are trying to make excuses out of things that have no bearing on your argument,.
Maybe if Jamal gave up the idea of being the next basketball hero and studied instead of practicing his jump shot all day, the educational part would eventually go away.
But then, why study and work when you know there are handouts waiting for you the day you turn 18.

That was a good one.

Black people cant practice racism in this country because they dont own the resources. That was a pretty ridiculous and naive statement.

keep telling yourself that lie.
blacks are the most racist in this country.

I never lie to myself. Why did you interject a strawman you cant even prove?

 

[whitehall]

It's refreshing that lefties finally admit that they have no use for the Military and they admit that pretty much only conservatives appreciate the incredible sacrifices that the Military makes to keep America free of socialist dictatorships but what kind of skewed logic created the idea that the (U.S.) Military is "the closest thing to socialism"? Ever notice that most of the two bit socialist dictators in the world wear some kind of uniform? It's because there is no difference between the government and the military in a socialist dictatorship. In the greatest Country in the world the Military takes orders from the elected civilians. Lefties have been playing it pretty careful in the last couple of decades pretending to respect their Country but they are finally coming out of the political closet and admitting that they have no respect for tradition, patriotism, the Military or the Constitution. Actually it's refreshing to finally clear the political air. Go for it lefties.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

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I'm all for socializing some aspects that the progressives seem to think the government should control. Let's start with public education and the health care industry. Once they're nationalized we put all the employees that work in those areas on the government/military pay scale... I'ma' thinnkin' that all politicians should be put on the same pay scale too.

Just think of all the money, and time, we can save by having them on a set pay scale that only has to be voted on once a year instead of having to negotiate and decide on what the pay should be in countless bureaucratic agencies.

*****SMILE*****

I dont want the government anywhere near my health care.

Government is already there.

How many people in the health care industry supported the ACA?...

Most of the ones around my area voted for the current administration. Why?????...

To ensure their own profits by supporting an agenda that would force people to purchase health care insurance while the prices increased. Which means more profits for the people that work in the health care industry.

*****SMILE*****

 

[SAYIT]

Nobody ever complains about basic govt services.

Conservatives complain plenty about basic government services.....what is amazing, is they don't realize how many of those government services they enjoy and wouldn't it be the pits if everything was private owned and run.....and everyone had to pay for the services, like the Library?

But, you're missing the point.....conservatives enjoy socialism even while claiming they hate it.

Yanno, I've read thousands of these socialist self-pity posts and have never seen any response in which anyone expresses "hate" for socialism.

I have seen serious disdain for a socio-economic system that devours its young and for any number of not-too-brights who insist America is already a socialist state in which we are now enjoying the fruits of our very own "Worker's Paradise."

I'd like to add my voice to that disdain for both Socialism's failed experiment and the hangers-on who just can't seem to let it go, Comrade.

 

[SAYIT]

Nobody ever complains about basic govt services.

Conservatives complain plenty about basic government services.....what is amazing, is they don't realize how many of those government services they enjoy and wouldn't it be the pits if everything was private owned and run.....and everyone had to pay for the services, like the Library?

But, you're missing the point.....conservatives enjoy socialism even while claiming they hate it.

No one lives in a pure economic, sociopolitical system, anywhere.

Thoughtful, rational peeps understand the nuances ... ideologues reject them.

 

[SAYIT]

It's refreshing that lefties finally admit that they have no use for the Military and they admit that pretty much only conservatives appreciate the incredible sacrifices that the Military makes to keep America free of socialist dictatorships but what kind of skewed logic created the idea that the (U.S.) Military is "the closest thing to socialism"? Ever notice that most of the two bit socialist dictators in the world wear some kind of uniform? It's because there is no difference between the government and the military in a socialist dictatorship. In the greatest Country in the world the Military takes orders from the elected civilians. Lefties have been playing it pretty careful in the last couple of decades pretending to respect their Country but they are finally coming out of the political closet and admitting that they have no respect for tradition, patriotism, the Military or the Constitution. Actually it's refreshing to finally clear the political air. Go for it lefties.

Mac1958 has for years described our gradual descent into the progressive's "Worker's Paradise" and we seem to have crossed a threshold that has emboldened them to slither out of the closet to wave their hammer & sickle flags.

I suspect the louder they get the more Americans will look at what they are and what they represent and quickly chase them right back into that closet.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Daily Kos???? Really?

Are you saying none of these things exist? Did you look at the original source?

Please post proof that the list is wrong, incorrect. Thanks.

please post proof that the things listed are not accounted for in the constitution, and then explain why all the social BS like welfare and healthcare, free phones, transportation, food, housing etc... are not ever included in the liberal socialism rant.

That free phone you morons are hyped about......120 minutes a month....3 hours of talking for free for a month...man those people got it made,eh?

I have to pay for mine, why should I pay for theirs?

Because thats the fee for living in a society where you can make yourself wealthy. I can tell you are a failure at life because you dont understand that simple concept.

If that's how you fell about it then let's make it available to everyone. Shall we say the government needs to provide... What?... $1,000 a month, how about making it $2,000 a month for everyone. Then if they decide to they can work in the capitalist society you so envy.

Seems fair to me since I know people who work their butts off to make less than a lot of these welfare cases make sitting at home drawing SSI, or SSDI, along with their free government benefits like: free phones, free food, HUD housing, etc...

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[JimBowie1958]

Some folks are to stupid to know those things are Socialist.

lol, I love irony.

 

[SAYIT]

Some folks are to stupid to know those things are Socialist.

lol, I love irony.

He wouldn't get it even if you explained it to him. Ideologues are by definition blind, deaf and dumb.

 

[Asclepias]

Are you saying none of these things exist? Did you look at the original source?

Please post proof that the list is wrong, incorrect. Thanks.

please post proof that the things listed are not accounted for in the constitution, and then explain why all the social BS like welfare and healthcare, free phones, transportation, food, housing etc... are not ever included in the liberal socialism rant.

That free phone you morons are hyped about......120 minutes a month....3 hours of talking for free for a month...man those people got it made,eh?

I have to pay for mine, why should I pay for theirs?

Because thats the fee for living in a society where you can make yourself wealthy. I can tell you are a failure at life because you dont understand that simple concept.

If that's how you fell about it then let's make it available to everyone. Shall we say the government needs to provide... What?... $1,000 a month, how about making it $2,000 a month for everyone. Then if they decide to they can work in the capitalist society you so envy.

Seems fair to me since I know people who work their butts off to make less than a lot of these welfare cases make sitting at home drawing SSI, or SSDI, along with their free government benefits like: free phones, free food, HUD housing, etc...

*****CHUCKLE*****

Sounds good to me. We dont even have to raise taxes. We can just take it from our bloated defense budget. BTW I dont envy the capitalistic system I admire, profit from, and understand it. It allows me to leave a legacy for my family and others I have helped along the way.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

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I'm all for socializing some aspects that the progressives seem to think the government should control. Let's start with public education and the health care industry. Once they're nationalized we put all the employees that work in those areas on the government/military pay scale... I'ma' thinnkin' that all politicians should be put on the same pay scale too.

Just think of all the money, and time, we can save by having them on a set pay scale that only has to be voted on once a year instead of having to negotiate and decide on what the pay should be in countless bureaucratic agencies.

*****SMILE*****

So you want to pay for their food, housing healthcare, training, and subsidize their dependents? That's why the military payscale is what it is.

 

[ninja007]

just another BS post showing things that are for the good of all, things that fall under infrastructure or defense as described in the constitution, yet forgets to mention all of the give away programs for the lazy non productive slime bringing this country down.
Same game that's played when the liberals don't get there way with a tax increase, they mention reductions in Police, Fire, Schools, but never do they say that welfare will have to be cut back.
Same tired game.

And that slime is what? Oil companies that get socialized money for what? A congress that has done nothing since being elected getting 6 figures of your money for what? I mean, pick your fuckin battles pal or shut the **** up!! And just for the record, try living off of welfare for a month and you tell us how grand your life is, you fool

So now its welfare if a company gets a tax break?
and if living off of other peoples pay check is so damn hard, how about you go out and earn your own money or shut the **** up. People living off of life long welfare are getting way more than they are worth. Darwin comes to mind here.

Yes it is welfare.....the same freebee dead beats get. How is that any different from people who work, who pay no taxes and get a EIC check in the end? No difference at all.

Well lets see. A company employs thousands of people that then pay tax, the company provides a service or product that is required for the country to function. That company, while getting a tax break, still ends up paying billions in taxes.
Now, your welfare dead beat provides no service or value to society, he produces nothing, pays nothing does nothing, yet he gets thousands of dollars from the taxpayer that he didnt earn.
If you cant see this you are an idiot.

First off GE pays no taxes, the oil industry rakes in a billion a month and you want to fry some slob getting 200 bucks a month in welfare? And that grand that your whining about that they get.....guess who ends up with it? Stores that hire.......you stupid ****!!!

GE? you mean one of Barry's biggest donors?

 

[Old Rocks]

So we hear so many Americans claim they hate socialism and don't think Bernie Sanders would have a chance to win if he were selected as the Democratic candidate. I wonder how many truly understand socialism and are even enjoying socialism without even realizing it.

The one that really surprises me is the military......conservatives claim they love the military and don't mind the bulk of our tax-payer money going toward maintaining it....the military, it's the closest to socialism of the many programs we support.


Socialism.

There is nothing more feared and hated in America.

The word alone sends shivers down the spine of the American people.

Those three syllables conger up images of Big Brother Government ruling over us all, telling us what to eat, wear, buy, and think. Our children in national uniform being indoctrinated with propaganda in government education camps that use to be schools, turning them into little slaves. While their parents work twelve hour shifts in the concentration camp that slaughters rich successful billionaires, as the poor and needy get a million dollars a month in welfare. A murderous government waging a war against freedom and liberty to gain complete control over everyone and everything.
They imagine the USSR and how Democrats are turning America into it because our government will give money to poor people so they don't starve to death. (Giving money to billion dollar corporations is NOT socialism somehow. You would be a communist and a hippie to think otherwise.)

This is scary stuff!

And it's about to get scarier, because I have some terrifying news for you....

Socialism is alive and well in America and it has been here for a very long time!

Oh, that's not all. it gets much worse! I hope your sitting down...

As it turns out, You love socialism and you use it everyday, and you may not even know it! It may have even saved your life. I know, this is bad...


1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.

6. Postal Service - Like having mail delivered directly to your front door and paying next to nothing to send mail anywhere you want? Well it's all made possible by socialism.

7. Student Loans and Grants - Did you go to College? If you did, you family might not have been rich enough to pay your way through. So you got your education anyway through student loans and grants from the federal government at taxpayer expense. Of course you have to pay back the loans, but if not the government, did you know anyone else who was going to lend you tens of thousands of dollars? Probably not. So the taxpayers lent you the money and you paid it back with slight interest. The government grants you accepted were gifts from the taxpayer and the federal government that you did not have to pay back. Socialism got you through school.

(and 68 more..............)
75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

Actually, the most socialistic program we have is our National Parks. Saving the very best and most unique for the enjoyment of all citizens is the ultimate in socialism.

 

[Mertex]

So we hear so many Americans claim they hate socialism and don't think Bernie Sanders would have a chance to win if he were selected as the Democratic candidate. I wonder how many truly understand socialism and are even enjoying socialism without even realizing it.

The one that really surprises me is the military......conservatives claim they love the military and don't mind the bulk of our tax-payer money going toward maintaining it....the military, it's the closest to socialism of the many programs we support.


Socialism.

There is nothing more feared and hated in America.

The word alone sends shivers down the spine of the American people.

Those three syllables conger up images of Big Brother Government ruling over us all, telling us what to eat, wear, buy, and think. Our children in national uniform being indoctrinated with propaganda in government education camps that use to be schools, turning them into little slaves. While their parents work twelve hour shifts in the concentration camp that slaughters rich successful billionaires, as the poor and needy get a million dollars a month in welfare. A murderous government waging a war against freedom and liberty to gain complete control over everyone and everything.
They imagine the USSR and how Democrats are turning America into it because our government will give money to poor people so they don't starve to death. (Giving money to billion dollar corporations is NOT socialism somehow. You would be a communist and a hippie to think otherwise.)

This is scary stuff!

And it's about to get scarier, because I have some terrifying news for you....

Socialism is alive and well in America and it has been here for a very long time!

Oh, that's not all. it gets much worse! I hope your sitting down...

As it turns out, You love socialism and you use it everyday, and you may not even know it! It may have even saved your life. I know, this is bad...


1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.

6. Postal Service - Like having mail delivered directly to your front door and paying next to nothing to send mail anywhere you want? Well it's all made possible by socialism.

7. Student Loans and Grants - Did you go to College? If you did, you family might not have been rich enough to pay your way through. So you got your education anyway through student loans and grants from the federal government at taxpayer expense. Of course you have to pay back the loans, but if not the government, did you know anyone else who was going to lend you tens of thousands of dollars? Probably not. So the taxpayers lent you the money and you paid it back with slight interest. The government grants you accepted were gifts from the taxpayer and the federal government that you did not have to pay back. Socialism got you through school.

(and 68 more..............)
75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

Actually, the most socialistic program we have is our National Parks. Saving the very best and most unique for the enjoyment of all citizens is the ultimate in socialism.

I don't know how you figure that, since the Military provides healthcare directly (no insurance companies involved) and so much more, but would love to hear your explanation.

 

[Mertex]

No, you don't get your own point. I have never heard of a conservative wanting to privatize everything..

WHAT?? Does voting for the dummies that want to do it count as not wanting to? You really need to pay more attention, I can't believe you even said that.

President Bush says reforming social security will be a top priority during his second term. He wants workers to be able to divert some of their payroll taxes into private accounts.
Privatizing Social Security



After their attempt to privatize Social Security in 2005 was met with widespread public outcry, the GOP’s strategy on Social Security has been two-fold. First, Republicans deny they are interested in privatization. Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) recently told the Wall Street Journal that “no one has a proposal up to cut Social Security,” (his own book proposes doing so), while conservatives in the media have tried to argue that Republicans don’t actually want to privatize Social Security.
REPORT: 104 Republicans In Congress Want To Privatize Social Security

 

[Mertex]

Nobody ever complains about basic govt services.

Conservatives complain plenty about basic government services.....what is amazing, is they don't realize how many of those government services they enjoy and wouldn't it be the pits if everything was private owned and run.....and everyone had to pay for the services, like the Library?

But, you're missing the point.....conservatives enjoy socialism even while claiming they hate it.

No one lives in a pure economic, sociopolitical system, anywhere.

So why would anyone think that the Democratic party is going to make this a socialized country? That's just plain ignorant.

 

[Mertex]

Nobody ever complains about basic govt services.

Conservatives complain plenty about basic government services.....what is amazing, is they don't realize how many of those government services they enjoy and wouldn't it be the pits if everything was private owned and run.....and everyone had to pay for the services, like the Library?

But, you're missing the point.....conservatives enjoy socialism even while claiming they hate it.

We DO pay for services. We pay for services that we use and for services we don't use. I don't have a problem with police and fire protection or libraries, you know those things available to everyone. What I disagree with is continuing support of people who are capable of supporting themselves.
I don't want to give $1,600/month to a family who's adult members should, at the very least, be scrubbing toilets at the city park in return.

You have to pay at the Library?

You disagree with continuing to support people who are capable of supporting themselves? So now you are talking about Welfare. And you think that everyone on welfare is capable of supporting themselves? People that work (like at Wal-Mart) have to apply for welfare because they don't make enough to live on.....so you're saying you don't give a damn if they can't afford to eat, don't eat? Why am I not surprised that you feel that way? And, you think there are enough city parks with jobs cleaning toilets to take care of all the people on welfare? Geez, Ernie, you should know better. Your comment doesn't even deserve a response.

 

[Mertex]

So we hear so many Americans claim they hate socialism and don't think Bernie Sanders would have a chance to win if he were selected as the Democratic candidate. I wonder how many truly understand socialism and are even enjoying socialism without even realizing it.

The one that really surprises me is the military......conservatives claim they love the military and don't mind the bulk of our tax-payer money going toward maintaining it....the military, it's the closest to socialism of the many programs we support.

The single consistent trait of all formulations of socialism is social ownership of the means of production. If you think the military is socialism, you need to count yourself first in your tally of those who don't understand socialism.

I understand socialism, and the whiny conservatives who claim liberals are socialists are the ones that don't understand "true" socialism, but considering their idiotic definition of socialism most conservatives use, if you want to consider anything socialistic, the military is the one that comes closest than anything else. So, perhaps you aren't one that cries "socialist" at every liberal, but there are plenty of moronic conservatives that do.

 

[Mertex]

Daily Kos???? Really?

Are you saying none of these things exist? Did you look at the original source?

Please post proof that the list is wrong, incorrect. Thanks.

please post proof that the things listed are not accounted for in the constitution, and then explain why all the social BS like welfare and healthcare, free phones, transportation, food, housing etc... are not ever included in the liberal socialism rant.

You're a real idiot.....welfare, healthcare is not socialism. You are just a greedy conservative who sees the poor as an encroachment on your measly contribution to taxes, which your share probably wouldn't even feed a dog. And where are libraries and fire protection accounted for in the constitution? I wish I had more time to respond to your comical comment.

 

[Ringel05]

Nobody ever complains about basic govt services.

Conservatives complain plenty about basic government services.....what is amazing, is they don't realize how many of those government services they enjoy and wouldn't it be the pits if everything was private owned and run.....and everyone had to pay for the services, like the Library?

But, you're missing the point.....conservatives enjoy socialism even while claiming they hate it.

No one lives in a pure economic, sociopolitical system, anywhere.

So why would anyone think that the Democratic party is going to make this a socialized country? That's just plain ignorant.

Soooo, where did you pull that from out of what I posted........? Oh yeah, it wasn't pulled from what I posted...... Don't forget to wipe...... and flush.......