So You Hate Socialism.......

[Wry Catcher]

A regulation is different than a law.

Nope... A regulation IS a law.

Technically a law is passed by the Congress and a federal agency promulgates rules, regulations, delegation's, etc. to comply with the enabling legislation (passed by Congress and signed into law by POTUS).

But feel free to go with your opinions. They may not always be correct, but they seem to fit your needs.

 

[Boss]

Technically a law is passed by the Congress and a federal agency promulgates rules, regulations, delegation's, etc. to comply with the enabling legislation

Which is a fancy round-about way of saying a regulation IS a law. Thank you.... that's what I said.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Technically a law is passed by the Congress and a federal agency promulgates rules, regulations, delegation's, etc. to comply with the enabling legislation

Which is a fancy round-about way of saying a regulation IS a law. Thank you.... that's what I said.

Whatever floats your boat.

 

[dblack]

Technically a law is passed by the Congress and a federal agency promulgates rules, regulations, delegation's, etc. to comply with the enabling legislation

Which is a fancy round-about way of saying a regulation IS a law. Thank you.... that's what I said.

I think it's actually an important distinction. Laws are created and passed democratically by representatives sworn to uphold the Constitution and accountable for their votes in the next election cycle. Regulations, aren't.

 

[Boss]

Technically a law is passed by the Congress and a federal agency promulgates rules, regulations, delegation's, etc. to comply with the enabling legislation

Which is a fancy round-about way of saying a regulation IS a law. Thank you.... that's what I said.

I think it's actually an important distinction. Laws are created and passed democratically by representatives sworn to uphold the Constitution and accountable for their votes in the next election cycle. Regulations, aren't.

The only distinction is, regulations do not have to apply and laws do. Regulation, by it's very definition, is adjustable and optional. The laws which enable the regulation are not. Depending on the regulation, the parameters might be set by the law or left for the executive branch to determine through policy. However, the president can't simply wake up one morning and decide he is going to regulate something. It requires legislation to make it law of the land, therefore, a regulation IS a law.

 

[dblack]

Technically a law is passed by the Congress and a federal agency promulgates rules, regulations, delegation's, etc. to comply with the enabling legislation

Which is a fancy round-about way of saying a regulation IS a law. Thank you.... that's what I said.

I think it's actually an important distinction. Laws are created and passed democratically by representatives sworn to uphold the Constitution and accountable for their votes in the next election cycle. Regulations, aren't.

The only distinction is, regulations do not have to apply and laws do. Regulation, by it's very definition, is adjustable and optional. The laws which enable the regulation are not. Depending on the regulation, the parameters might be set by the law or left for the executive branch to determine through policy. However, the president can't simply wake up one morning and decide he is going to regulate something. It requires legislation to make it law of the land, therefore, a regulation IS a law.

Right. But the fact that the vast bulk of the regulatory code is created by unelected bureaucrats with even less accountability to the public than the legislators who appoint them, makes such rules even more spurious and questionable.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Technically a law is passed by the Congress and a federal agency promulgates rules, regulations, delegation's, etc. to comply with the enabling legislation

Which is a fancy round-about way of saying a regulation IS a law. Thank you.... that's what I said.

I think it's actually an important distinction. Laws are created and passed democratically by representatives sworn to uphold the Constitution and accountable for their votes in the next election cycle. Regulations, aren't.

The only distinction is, regulations do not have to apply and laws do. Regulation, by it's very definition, is adjustable and optional. The laws which enable the regulation are not. Depending on the regulation, the parameters might be set by the law or left for the executive branch to determine through policy. However, the president can't simply wake up one morning and decide he is going to regulate something. It requires legislation to make it law of the land, therefore, a regulation IS a law.

Exactly what I wrote, in many less words.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Technically a law is passed by the Congress and a federal agency promulgates rules, regulations, delegation's, etc. to comply with the enabling legislation

Which is a fancy round-about way of saying a regulation IS a law. Thank you.... that's what I said.

I think it's actually an important distinction. Laws are created and passed democratically by representatives sworn to uphold the Constitution and accountable for their votes in the next election cycle. Regulations, aren't.

The only distinction is, regulations do not have to apply and laws do. Regulation, by it's very definition, is adjustable and optional. The laws which enable the regulation are not. Depending on the regulation, the parameters might be set by the law or left for the executive branch to determine through policy. However, the president can't simply wake up one morning and decide he is going to regulate something. It requires legislation to make it law of the land, therefore, a regulation IS a law.

Right. But the fact that the vast bulk of the regulatory code is created by unelected bureaucrats with even less accountability to the public than the legislators who appoint them, makes such rules even more spurious and questionable.

In some cases this is true. Keep in mind a bill which passes The Congress is often a compromise, one which is written by aids who may know less (in some cases much more) than the Member of Congress who voted for the law and those who added riders and amendments.

One must presume the executive agency which promulgates the rules, regulations, etc. knows more about the issue than The Congress.

 

[Boss]

Technically a law is passed by the Congress and a federal agency promulgates rules, regulations, delegation's, etc. to comply with the enabling legislation

Which is a fancy round-about way of saying a regulation IS a law. Thank you.... that's what I said.

I think it's actually an important distinction. Laws are created and passed democratically by representatives sworn to uphold the Constitution and accountable for their votes in the next election cycle. Regulations, aren't.

The only distinction is, regulations do not have to apply and laws do. Regulation, by it's very definition, is adjustable and optional. The laws which enable the regulation are not. Depending on the regulation, the parameters might be set by the law or left for the executive branch to determine through policy. However, the president can't simply wake up one morning and decide he is going to regulate something. It requires legislation to make it law of the land, therefore, a regulation IS a law.

Right. But the fact that the vast bulk of the regulatory code is created by unelected bureaucrats with even less accountability to the public than the legislators who appoint them, makes such rules even more spurious and questionable.

No, the regulatory code is outlined in the law which enables the regulation. The limits of the regulation are generally set by the legislation as well. Now you may find some example of the president authorizing someone he has appointed to establish the extent of regulation but I would say this is extremely rare and highly unusual. That is typically decided by the president and he certainly has authority to intervene at any time.

For example, the EPA's recent regulating of carbon dioxide as a pollutant is authorized by the Clean Air Act and it has been challenged in the Supreme Court.
REGULATION: Supreme Court affirms EPA's authority to regulate CO2, even as it hauls on the agency's reins

In their ruling, they establish the EPA is outside it's authority to tailor the regulation to fit bureaucratic policy. They can regulate it but it must be done within the parameters set forth in the Clean Air Act... they can't create their own statutes.

 

[Mertex]

You are scared to death, Mertex. The fear is flowing from your pores.

Deflect, deflect....when you can't prove something deflect. Typical wrong-wing nut.

If you vote for Trump, knowing what a blowhard and liar he is, yeah, you are supporting him, just like the rest of the lemmings. (Oh, by the way.....Bwahahaha....you'll vote for him but you don't support him....now that's a lemming for you).

That's a cute cartoon. did your mom help you color it? But the deflection is all yours. Asshole. I never said I was a Trump supporter and hurling more insults doesn't change anything.

My mother is dead.....so thanks for proving that you're the asshole.....and you said you would vote for Trump....that is support, no matter how much you try to disguise it.

You love insulting people then ***** when it comes back. I said I'd vote for him if he got the nomination. To people with lucid minds that means I'm not a supporter now. Go **** yourself.

Aw....you talk like him, too.......and you must be really dense. Nobody "votes" for someone they don't support, except some moronic conservative. Have someone with a brain explain it to you,

Oh yeah......that's what most of you said about Palin and then Romney.....how's that working for you?

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

A regulation is different than a law.

Nope... A regulation IS a law.

Wry Catcher is right. You're wrong.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Technically a law is passed by the Congress and a federal agency promulgates rules, regulations, delegation's, etc. to comply with the enabling legislation

Which is a fancy round-about way of saying a regulation IS a law. Thank you.... that's what I said.

Regulations aren't created by Congress. Only Congress can make laws.

No wonder Obama won, twice,.

 

[Iceweasel]

Regulations aren't created by Congress. Only Congress can make laws.

No wonder Obama won, twice,.

Federal Regulations: The Real Laws Behind the Acts of Congress
Federal regulations are specific details directives or requirements with the force of law enacted by the federal agencies necessary to enforce the legislative acts passed by Congress.

 

[Boss]

Technically a law is passed by the Congress and a federal agency promulgates rules, regulations, delegation's, etc. to comply with the enabling legislation

Which is a fancy round-about way of saying a regulation IS a law. Thank you.... that's what I said.

Regulations aren't created by Congress. Only Congress can make laws.

No wonder Obama won, twice,.

Yes... you obviously are a dumbass Obama voter.

Regulations have NO WEIGHT without a Congressional-passed LAW to back them.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Technically a law is passed by the Congress and a federal agency promulgates rules, regulations, delegation's, etc. to comply with the enabling legislation

Which is a fancy round-about way of saying a regulation IS a law. Thank you.... that's what I said.

Regulations aren't created by Congress. Only Congress can make laws.

No wonder Obama won, twice,.

Yes... you obviously are a dumbass Obama voter.

Regulations have NO WEIGHT without a Congressional-passed LAW to back them.

You just contradicted yourself...lol

 

[Mertex]

We're already the dumbest country ever, just by you being here... that alone drags us down to unprecedented levels.

Says the dumbass who used to support Carson....and now that's Carson is flopping in the wind has changed to liking the blowhard Trump........

You must have me confused with someone else. I have always supported Ted Cruz. I "like" every candidate up there over the Socialists. I would even take Jeb or Kasich over the two Democrats.... not that it's going to happen.

I'm going to defend any of them against left-wing smear and lies.

I guess you've forgotten how you vehemently defended Carson.......which always spells "support". You must be like the weasel....who claims he's going to vote for Trump but he doesn't support him. And yes, I know, most conservatives would vote for Mickey Mouse before they would vote for a Democrat....ooops, they did....back in 2000 and 2004!

And, don't be surprised if it does happen ...Kasich is the only "sane" one in the whole Republican candidate bus.

 

[Mertex]

Technically a law is passed by the Congress and a federal agency promulgates rules, regulations, delegation's, etc. to comply with the enabling legislation

Which is a fancy round-about way of saying a regulation IS a law. Thank you.... that's what I said.

Regulations aren't created by Congress. Only Congress can make laws.

No wonder Obama won, twice,.

Yes... you obviously are a dumbass Obama voter.

Regulations have NO WEIGHT without a Congressional-passed LAW to back them.

You just contradicted yourself...lol

Yep!

 

[Mertex]

The debt is a cumulative amount from decades past, something a nation can do as long as it remains stable and can pay creditors when necessary. The Henny Penny fearmongers have been brainwashed to believe the massive debt is the harbinger for financial collapse.

It is not. The reason the don't tax and spend GOP has brought this issue up now is because they want the seat in the oval office for the perks then made available to the party. It has nothing to do with their ability to govern fiscally responsibly, for we've seen the deficits of Reagan and Bush II and how the issue was silent during their reign.

If the Congress wants to prosecute war, they need to stand up and pass a bond issue to pay for it, not spend a trillion dollars and more on a war of choice not budgeted. Under Obama the cost of military action and the treatment of wounded vets is on budget and transparent - and still the deficit has been cut during his tenure in office.

Wrong. Like always!
Conservatives have always brought up overspending and we pay a MASSIVE amount on interest alone. You dipsticks think a country can spend its' way into prosperity. The country did great under Reagan and Bush, until all the bullshit overspending/speculating/playing games with money collapsed the market. WE should be rolling along way before now but the economy STILL sucks because too many think what got us into trouble is the way forward.

Real conservatives have always been careful with the pennies, but that alone is insufficient when needs go unmet. The problem is clear, the Right and Left have different priorities which each concludes will lead to fiscal sanity,

The current meme on the Right is to push for a Balanced Budget Amendment - a fools errand; one which ignores fiscal cost deficits; which is why they are penny wise and pound foolish.

The Congress, and more specifically the members of the TP Caucus are as out of touch with the reality of governance as were the Utopian Socialists in the early part of the 20th Century,

The Left wants to provide free health care and seemingly open borders, ignoring how this leads to the exploitation of labor and a drain on local government's resources.

The real problems facing us today is The Congress, and the on going bitter divide ignited by Gingrich two decades ago. A Congress, BTW, which is predominantly concerned with their own reelection and only too willing to be bought by the highest bidder (thanks to the five members of the Supreme Court's repeal of sensible reform).

I don't share your religious views so preaching your dogma to me is a waste of time. The real fool is the one that thinks balancing any budget is a bad idea. And the left wing compromises on nothing, blaming the Republicans for our fiscal mess is beyond stupid. So is the belief that corporate donations are wrong but unions confiscating workers money to funnel into the Democrat party is just fine and dandy.

My religion and my dogma? You're one very odd duck.

A real fool is someone who believes a budget is something more than a plan, formed on what is known and projected into the future. Only a real stupid person believes a budget is set in stone.

Shit happens, fire, earthquake, hurricanes, tornadoes and jet planes crash into towers making them collapse.

Blaming Republicans is what I do, for I believe they do the bidding for those who really brought our economy to the brink. That you won't admit the truth is one more flaw in your character.

Liberalism is a religion. It's based on faith and treats government as god. Opposing liberals isn't just wrong, it's evil.

Your parable is flawed. A balanced budget doesn't mean you can't borrow in an emergency. But you pay it back instead of borrowing more and more.

Yep.....opposing Liberals is evil.......so why do you do it?

 

[Mertex]

Yes, they have run up the debt, explain how that's good.

It isn't good, dumbass.......and it was done by Republicans, but you and the rest of the wrong-wing seem to have blurred memories when it comes to spending. The Iraq war is Bush's baby....ergo Republican created....no matter how much you and the rest of the comatose conservatives try to blame it on Obama.

Thanks, Republicans.


Iraq War To Remain A Significant U.S. Debt-Driver For Years To Come
The Iraq war has so far cost the U.S. about $800 billion -- not including continuing payments to veterans -- and it’s poised to be major driver of the deficit for years to come. Add to that the costs of the Afghanistan war and the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy, and you'll account for almost half of the debt that the nation is set to owe by 2019, according to the Center on Budget Policy and Priorities, a left-leaning think tank.
Iraq War To Remain A Significant U.S. Debt-Driver For Years To Come [CHART]

 

[Iceweasel]

Yes, they have run up the debt, explain how that's good.

It isn't good, dumbass.......and it was done by Republicans, but you and the rest of the wrong-wing seem to have blurred memories when it comes to spending. The Iraq war is Bush's baby....ergo Republican created....no matter how much you and the rest of the comatose conservatives try to blame it on Obama.

Thanks, Republicans.

You're insane. obama started with 9 trillion in debt, it's more than doubled. Ease up on the catnip.