So when MSNBC parroted the administration claim that Republicans had no ideas........

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I posted this several times in other threads. I think it needs a thread of its own.


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It is funny to me, how the typical left wing brainwashed hacks claim FOX News lies about everything.......


Well, lets look at what the actual evidence is in regards to what the republicans have proposed over the last decade (actually more than a decade).

Keep in mind, according to MSNBC, they have no alternatives.

Lets take a look.

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Let’s start with 5 comprehensive health reform proposals that have actually been introduced in Congress—some well before President Obama even was nominated for president, and all months before the House (11/7/09) or Senate (12/24/09) voted on what eventually became Obamacare.

Ten Steps to Transform Health Care in America Act (S. 1783) introduced by Senator Mike Enzi (R-WY) July 12, 2007.

Every American Insured Health Act introduced by Senators Richard Burr (R-NC) and Bob Corker (R-TN) with co-sponsors Tom Coburn (R-OK), Mel Martinez (formerly R-FL) and Elizabeth Dole (formerly R-NC) on July 26, 2007.

Senators Bob Bennett (R-UT) and Ron Wyden (D-OR) introduced the Healthy Americans Act on January 18, 2007 and re-introduced the same bill on February 5, 2009.

Patients’ Choice Act of 2009 introduced by Senators Tom Coburn (R-OK) and Richard Burr (R-NC) and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Devin Nunes (R-CA) on May 20, 2009.

H.R. 2300, Empowering Patients First Act introduced July 30, 2009 by Rep. Tom Price (R-GA).

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More ideas proposed by Republicans that MSNBC said does not exist. (Of course the administration is the one that claimed this. Aren't they pathetic?


Here they are:

Individual Pay or Play proposed in 2005 by John Goodman; this is a minimalist version of a broader reform envisaged by Goodman built on converting the tax exclusion into universal tax credits.

Health Status Insurance originally proposed by John Cochrane in 1995

Universal Health Savings Accounts proposed by John Goodman and Peter Ferrara in 2012. This combines fixed tax credits with individual pay or play and health status insurance concepts along with Roth-style Health Savings Accounts


Fixed tax credits. A variety of proposals have centered on using fix tax credits to replace the current inefficient and unfair tax exclusion for employer-provided health benefits. Two good explanations of how that would work are here:

James C. Capretta and Robert E. Moffit, “How to Replace Obamacare,” National Affairs, no. 11 (Spring 2012).

James C. Capretta. Constructing an Alternative to Obamacare: Key Details for a Practical Replacement Program. American Enterprise Institute, December 2012.


Income-Related Tax Credits proposed by Mark Pauly and John Hoff in Responsible Tax Credits (2002) and endorsed by the American Medical Association. More recently, 8 scholars from Harvard, University of Chicago, and USC–Jay Bhattacharya, Amitabh Chandra, Michael Chernew, Dana Goldman, Anupam Jena, Darius Lakdawalla,Anup Malani and Tomas Philipson—releasedBest of Both Worlds: Uniting Universal Coverage and Personal Choice in Health Care (2013) which also is built around a model of individual health insurance subsidized with income-related tax credits.


Flexible Benefits Tax Credit For Health Insurance by Lynn Etheredge in 2001.


Universal Health Insurance Exchanges proposed in 2013 by former CBO director Douglas Holtz-Eakin and Avik Roy (covers Medicare and Medicaid in addition to privately insured).


What about the Bush plan in 2007? Conover said that Dubya proposed:

A sweeping health reform plan that would have replaced the current tax exclusion for employer-provided coverage with standard tax deductions for all individuals and families. The Bush plan called for a tax deduction that would have applied to payroll taxes as well as income taxes. Moreover, if one were worried about non-filers, the subsidy could easily have instead been structured as a refundable tax credit in which case even those without any income taxes would have gotten an additional amount. This is the kind of policy detail that easily could have been negotiated had the Democrats been in a cooperative mood in 2007. They were not.


Republican Alternatives to Obamacare - Forthright with Sue Lani Madsen
 
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Republicans are interviewed all the time on teevee.

Why didn't they put their plans in a pretty little booklet, give it a nice, snappy name, and hold it up every time they were interviewed? Why didn't they create one clear website for it and constantly refer to it so that no one could say they didn't know about it? Why didn't they make a little badge for it and attach it to their lapel? ANYTHING??

The GOP failed to provide a clear and obvious alternative for the ACA, and here we are, stuck with this ridiculous pig of a law. So they're responsible too.

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MSNBC again, reporting that Republicans had no alternative plans.

GOP dodges calls for alternatives, continues to condemn Obamacare | MSNBC

Yes, reported by the liars.....

Yet interestingly, here are more alternative plans that supposedly did not exist.

The 250-page legislation, known as the Empowering Patients First Act, currently has 32 co-sponsors, including Representatives Michele Bachmann (R., Minn.), Tim Huelskamp (R., Kans.), Jeb Hensarling (R., Texas), and Tom Cotton (R., Ark.).

The bill is a comprehensive alternative, notes Price, who has more than 20 years of experience as a practicing orthopedic surgeon. His policy proposals, which conservative experts have praised, will probably be familiar to those who have closely followed the ongoing health-care debate.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr2300

Introduced in June of this year.

No alternatives?
 
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Republicans are interviewed all the time on teevee.

Why didn't they put their plans in a pretty little booklet, give it a nice, snappy name, and hold it up every time they were interviewed? Why didn't they create one clear website for it and constantly refer to it so that no one could say they didn't know about it? Why didn't they make a little badge for it and attach it to their lapel? ANYTHING??

The GOP failed to provide a clear and obvious alternative for the ACA, and here we are, stuck with this ridiculous pig of a law. So they're responsible too.

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They never proposed anything TEEVEEE?

Oh, you poor brainwashed soul.

 
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Republicans are interviewed all the time on teevee.

Why didn't they put their plans in a pretty little booklet, give it a nice, snappy name, and hold it up every time they were interviewed? Why didn't they create one clear website for it and constantly refer to it so that no one could say they didn't know about it? Why didn't they make a little badge for it and attach it to their lapel? ANYTHING??

The GOP failed to provide a clear and obvious alternative for the ACA, and here we are, stuck with this ridiculous pig of a law. So they're responsible too.

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They never proposed anything TEEVEEE?

Oh, you poor brainwashed soul.


You're choosing not to read what I said.

How many times did you see this happen, of all the times they were interviewed?

Look, I realize you have a partisan obligation to say the conservative stuff, but some of us aren't fond of either party and are not bound by ideology.

If you want to pretend that the Republicans consistently presented a clear and recognizable alternative to the ACA, that's your call. You may even believe it, speaking of "brainwashed".

Ask 10 people on the street for the name of that plan, and get back to me with your results.

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Keep on thinking the republicans had not proposed any alternatives to Obamacare.

You all are hilarious.
 

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Republicans are interviewed all the time on teevee.

Why didn't they put their plans in a pretty little booklet, give it a nice, snappy name, and hold it up every time they were interviewed? Why didn't they create one clear website for it and constantly refer to it so that no one could say they didn't know about it? Why didn't they make a little badge for it and attach it to their lapel? ANYTHING??

The GOP failed to provide a clear and obvious alternative for the ACA, and here we are, stuck with this ridiculous pig of a law. So they're responsible too.

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They did not fail there isn't an alternative plan, because their should not be an alternative plan.
 

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