So very sorry Republicans Putin gambled and lost

[Rigby5]

Communists are stupid.

All families are communist, are families stupid?
In fact, all tribes are communist.
Humans have been around for over a million years, and were communist until the last couple thousand years only.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Since you missed it the first time.
Here is the "basic individual rights" repeated again.
{...
Striking and unions are about protection of basic individual rights.
These principles include labor laws like against child labor, trust busting, anti-monopolies, etc.
These principles are what makes Marxism unnecessary and obsolete.
It is labor laws and collective bargaining that solve the problem of economic dictatorships.
To then try to legislate against collective bargaining, is to return to the dictatorships Marx was correct to abhor.

You can't have it both ways.
Either you believe in individual rights, (which essentially is collective bargaining), or you believe in dictatorships.
...}

When factories started to make cloth and other things for a forth was cottage industries could, there at first was horrific unemployment, starvation, monopolies, unsafe working conditions, forced labor, child labor, etc. It took over 70 years to get enough of the problems fixed so that capitalism was no longer such an oppressive threat.

There's no right to a job at al, and everyone of those supposed rights is a fabrication not supported by anything in our constitution.


Freedom of assembly, expression and association codify a right to join a union but the Union constitutionally has zero power over any employer.


Capitalism is not now and never has been a threat to anything other than communism and socialism. Without it, the US would have never become the wealthiest and most powerful nation on earth.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

All families are communist, are families stupid?
In fact, all tribes are communist.
Humans have been around for over a million years, and were communist until the last couple thousand years only.

Fabricated BS. Families are not governments.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

All families are communist, are families stupid?
In fact, all tribes are communist.
Humans have been around for over a million years, and were communist until the last couple thousand years only.

Complete BS, Families and Tribes recognize property rights and until recently, everyone that could work, did work so even the kids had their own money which they earned.

 

[jc456]

Since you missed it the first time.
Here is the "basic individual rights" repeated again.
{...
Striking and unions are about protection of basic individual rights.
These principles include labor laws like against child labor, trust busting, anti-monopolies, etc.
These principles are what makes Marxism unnecessary and obsolete.
It is labor laws and collective bargaining that solve the problem of economic dictatorships.
To then try to legislate against collective bargaining, is to return to the dictatorships Marx was correct to abhor.

You can't have it both ways.
Either you believe in individual rights, (which essentially is collective bargaining), or you believe in dictatorships.
...}

When factories started to make cloth and other things for a forth was cottage industries could, there at first was horrific unemployment, starvation, monopolies, unsafe working conditions, forced labor, child labor, etc. It took over 70 years to get enough of the problems fixed so that capitalism was no longer such an oppressive threat.

Unions destroyed American labor.

 

[daveman]

All families are communist, are families stupid?
In fact, all tribes are communist.
Humans have been around for over a million years, and were communist until the last couple thousand years only.

And people died of old age at 45, froze in the winter, starved in famine, were peasants, had no freedom or say in anything in their lives.

Modern Communism is not very different.

Anyone who wants that now is stupid, yes.

 

[JusticeHammer]

All families are communist, are families stupid?
In fact, all tribes are communist.
Humans have been around for over a million years, and were communist until the last couple thousand years only.

Bullshit

 

[Billiejeens]

Since you missed it the first time.
Here is the "basic individual rights" repeated again.
{...
Striking and unions are about protection of basic individual rights.
These principles include labor laws like against child labor, trust busting, anti-monopolies, etc.
These principles are what makes Marxism unnecessary and obsolete.
It is labor laws and collective bargaining that solve the problem of economic dictatorships.
To then try to legislate against collective bargaining, is to return to the dictatorships Marx was correct to abhor.

You can't have it both ways.
Either you believe in individual rights, (which essentially is collective bargaining), or you believe in dictatorships.
...}

When factories started to make cloth and other things for a forth was cottage industries could, there at first was horrific unemployment, starvation, monopolies, unsafe working conditions, forced labor, child labor, etc. It took over 70 years to get enough of the problems fixed so that capitalism was no longer such an oppressive threat.

No

 

[Billiejeens]

All families are communist, are families stupid?
In fact, all tribes are communist.
Humans have been around for over a million years, and were communist until the last couple thousand years only.

Also no.

 

[Rigby5]

There's no right to a job at al, and everyone of those supposed rights is a fabrication not supported by anything in our constitution.


Freedom of assembly, expression and association codify a right to join a union but the Union constitutionally has zero power over any employer.


Capitalism is not now and never has been a threat to anything other than communism and socialism. Without it, the US would have never become the wealthiest and most powerful nation on earth.

Since the only way to survive once someone starts claiming ownership of land they did not create, is a job, then yes job security is a right. It is not unconditional and you have to earn it, but can not be arbitrarily denied by those extorting with a monopoly, child labor, illegal immigrants, temporary union busters, etc.

Capitalism is the pure profit motive, and is an obvious threat to everything.
Every single crime in the world is due to the corrupt motivation of capitalism.

It is true capitalism is the most powerful motivator, so is responsible for our wealth, but is also responsoble for the down fall of all previous most wealthy societies.

 

[Rigby5]

Fabricated BS. Families are not governments.

If course families not only are government, but how all governments originated.
Then they formed tribes, later villages, towns, states, countries, etc.
But if you want to look at how all governments originate, you have to start by looking at families.

 

[Rigby5]

Unions destroyed American labor.

So you would prefer the total centralized power of feudalism?
Because without unions, that is all you have, slavery.
No individual can get a fair deal from a multi billion dollar corporation that owns all the housing, production, food supply, etc., without collective bargaining.

 

[Rigby5]

And people died of old age at 45, froze in the winter, starved in famine, were peasants, had no freedom or say in anything in their lives.

Modern Communism is not very different.

Anyone who wants that now is stupid, yes.

If you want to find the oldest living humans, you go into rural areas.
Rural and more primitive people live vastly longer than modern urban individuals.
Primitive people have it much better than we do.
They on average only work on survival for 2.5 hours per day, compared to our 10 hours a day.

And primitive tribes have the MOST freedom and say.
There is no means by which anyone can control them.
The tribal leader is only by consensus and has nothing by which to extort anything else.
That does not come until later, with agriculture, you get arbitrary land ownership, taxes, mercenaries, etc.

Modern communism can be whatever the people want it to be.
But anyone who does not see the advantage of pooling resource in order to make shared means of production, is not very bright.

 

[jc456]

So you would prefer the total centralized power of feudalism?
Because without unions, that is all you have, slavery.
No individual can get a fair deal from a multi billion dollar corporation that owns all the housing, production, food supply, etc., without collective bargaining.

do you know what a fair deal actually is? If I have to pay some corrupt union boss money for my cash, no thank you, I'll take my chances with the business owner. If I don't like him, I will move on. It's truly a simple concept.

 

[Rigby5]

Also no.

How is the communal sharing of families and tribes, NOT communism?

 

[jc456]

Since the only way to survive once someone starts claiming ownership of land they did not create, is a job, then yes job security is a right. It is not unconditional and you have to earn it, but can not be arbitrarily denied by those extorting with a monopoly, child labor, illegal immigrants, temporary union busters, etc.

what the fk does this mean? create land? WTF

 

[jc456]

How is the communal sharing of families and tribes, NOT communism?

define your communism.

 

[Rigby5]

do you know what a fair deal actually is? If I have to pay some corrupt union boss money for my cash, no thank you, I'll take my chances with the business owner. If I don't like him, I will move on. It's truly a simple concept.

That makes no sense.
First of all, unions are NOT supposed to get paid.
If the union collective bargaining people want to get paid, then they are capitalists and not socialist, so a risk.
Unions are supposed to be the cooperation between workers so that they can elect a few to represent them all in collective bargaining.
Second is that when you have big multi national corporations like you have now, then you can't "move on".
They own your home, all the stores, all the jobs, the banks, etc.

 

[Rigby5]

what the fk does this mean? create land? WTF

Originally primitive people understand that no one can really "own" land because they did not create it.
You can only use land, and it is supposed to then be shared.
That is why the natives on Long Island took just a handful of beads for the island.
They understood no one could really own land, and that everyone is just borrowing use for a while.

But the whole corruption comes from the desertification that started along the Mediterranean.
It decreased viable living space, so created a market for land that never existed before.
Along with agriculture, which produced production surpluses that could be used to pay mercenaries, it allowed for an immoral takeover of nature, for profit. The selling and renting of land which the landlord did not really create, so then did not really own.
Selling and renting of land is not moral.
It is the origin of capitalist extortion.

 

[Rigby5]

define your communism.

It is not mine to define, but has always meant that when something is needed by a society that no one individual can produce for themselves, or is too wasteful for everyone to do individually, you pool resource and do it collectively.
And example would be a dam in order to ensure a constant water supply.
It is created collectively, communally, and shared cooperatively.

Those who thing that this collective resource implies anything about the means of making political decisions, are confused.
Economic system like communism and socialism have nothing to do with political decision making systems.
If there is any implication, it is that any shared economic resource would then be best with a shared political decision making system.