So how much money do those evil conniving climate scientists make anyway?

[Oddball]

So you think a few big fish climate scientists are running a cabal and that ground level climate scientists are being told to lie, and that they're going along with it? The vast majority of people that work with climate science out of a passion for science rather than a fat paycheck are lying about science? Do you ever stop to think about the shit that you believe?

I doesn't have to be a conspiracy....The guys at the bottom want to get noticed by those on the top...It's human nature.

Are the minor leagues in professional sports a conspiracy?

If you knew the first thing about how it works you'd know that the way to get noticed is to make a good argument against the current view. The scientist that proves AGW is bullshit will be rich and famous. That person will go down in history.

I've presented a few good arguments, which you have rejected out of hand....The one about the climate charlatans having no reason to come out and say that they've been wrong is a circumstantial argument, which is far down the list.

So how about refuting this?....None -as in NONE- of the AGW "science" has the following elements of traditional and time-tested scientific method to be found anywhere near it:

• Is repeatable on demand and in context
• Is quantifiable
• Is falsifiable
• Has a static control
  
• Has a baseline "optimal" temperature from which to compare all data

C'mon, Corky, dazzle us all with your scientific acumen.

 

[aaronleland]

How many people have ever said they want to go into climate science for the money? Probably zero. A nerdy white guy probably has a better chance of getting rich in the NBA.

There are lots of people who never want to leave academe and go out into the real world to earn a living....Endowments and grants don't take near as much real productive work to obtain, especially when there are lots of authoritarian politicians eager for you to give them a result that they like.

So, we just don't need scientists?

Yet another straw man...Keep this thread away from open flame!

You seem to think scientists don't live in the real world, because they haven't produced anything but ideas.

 

[Oddball]

So you think a few big fish climate scientists are running a cabal and that ground level climate scientists are being told to lie, and that they're going along with it? The vast majority of people that work with climate science out of a passion for science rather than a fat paycheck are lying about science? Do you ever stop to think about the shit that you believe?

I doesn't have to be a conspiracy....The guys at the bottom want to get noticed by those on the top...It's human nature.

Are the minor leagues in professional sports a conspiracy?

So these people went into a field that makes shit money and lied about their findings so that somebody nobody else in the world has ever heard of notices them?

I'm not saying that a bunch of them don't actually believe what they're peddling, just that it's an easier life than going out and getting a real job....Basic laziness and/or misguided altruism, combined with confirmation bias, can be a bitch.

 

[Oddball]

How many people have ever said they want to go into climate science for the money? Probably zero. A nerdy white guy probably has a better chance of getting rich in the NBA.

There are lots of people who never want to leave academe and go out into the real world to earn a living....Endowments and grants don't take near as much real productive work to obtain, especially when there are lots of authoritarian politicians eager for you to give them a result that they like.

So, we just don't need scientists?

Yet another straw man...Keep this thread away from open flame!

You seem to think scientists don't live in the real world, because they haven't produced anything but ideas.

Again with the straw man....There are lots of scientists operating in the private sector, producing results that make innumerable products better.

 

[aaronleland]

How many people have ever said they want to go into climate science for the money? Probably zero. A nerdy white guy probably has a better chance of getting rich in the NBA.

There are lots of people who never want to leave academe and go out into the real world to earn a living....Endowments and grants don't take near as much real productive work to obtain, especially when there are lots of authoritarian politicians eager for you to give them a result that they like.

So, we just don't need scientists?

Yet another straw man...Keep this thread away from open flame!

You seem to think scientists don't live in the real world, because they haven't produced anything but ideas.

Again with the straw man....There are lots of scientists operating in the private sector, producing results that make innumerable products better.

Are those supposed to be the impartial scientists? The ones working in the private sector for coal and green energy companies?

 

[Oddball]

There are lots of people who never want to leave academe and go out into the real world to earn a living....Endowments and grants don't take near as much real productive work to obtain, especially when there are lots of authoritarian politicians eager for you to give them a result that they like.

So, we just don't need scientists?

Yet another straw man...Keep this thread away from open flame!

You seem to think scientists don't live in the real world, because they haven't produced anything but ideas.

Again with the straw man....There are lots of scientists operating in the private sector, producing results that make innumerable products better.

Are those supposed to be the impartial scientists? The ones working in the private sector for coal and green energy companies?

They're the ones making an honest buck producing results, while the climate "scientists" appear as little more than approval seekers.....Hence the inordinate attention paid to "peer review".

 

[Wuwei]

The "every day climate scientists" are the minor leaguers, hoping against hope that their reports can get the approval of the boys at the top, thereby getting them entry into The Big Clubs of IPCC, UCAR, NCAR, and Hadley....

That is a lot of projection and generalization. Every type of enterprise has leaders and plodders including high schools and climate change skeptics. Not all plodders have high hopes for fame and money.

The vast number of scientists working on the IPCC publications were not getting any salary from that organization.

The 10 Most-Respected Global Warming Skeptics
That site lists 10 skeptics. Most have written books and gained wide notoriety. Why not join that band wagon with lots of financing.

My point is simply that your point is a non-sequitur.

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[Confounding]

C'mon, Corky, dazzle us all with your scientific acumen.

I don't have to. People far more knowledgeable and qualified than us have already given their input on the matter. Almost all of them have come to a similar conclusion.

 

[Confounding]

There are lots of people who never want to leave academe and go out into the real world to earn a living....Endowments and grants don't take near as much real productive work to obtain, especially when there are lots of authoritarian politicians eager for you to give them a result that they like.

So, we just don't need scientists?

Yet another straw man...Keep this thread away from open flame!

You seem to think scientists don't live in the real world, because they haven't produced anything but ideas.

Again with the straw man....There are lots of scientists operating in the private sector, producing results that make innumerable products better.

Are those supposed to be the impartial scientists? The ones working in the private sector for coal and green energy companies?

The mental gymnastics these people go through to believe in a worldwide climate conspiracy...

Partisan influences run deep.

 

[SSDD]

So, we just don't need scientists?

Yet another straw man...Keep this thread away from open flame!

You seem to think scientists don't live in the real world, because they haven't produced anything but ideas.

Again with the straw man....There are lots of scientists operating in the private sector, producing results that make innumerable products better.

Are those supposed to be the impartial scientists? The ones working in the private sector for coal and green energy companies?

The mental gymnastics these people go through to believe in a worldwide climate conspiracy...

Partisan influences run deep.

Interesting that you place so much respect on a scientist whose education only makes him worth 80K per year.....the guy who cuts my grass makes more than that.

 

[Confounding]

Interesting that you place so much respect on a scientist whose education only makes him worth 80K per year.....the guy who cuts my grass makes more than that.

Oh so now you don't trust them because they don't make enough money.

 

[deanrd]

How many people have ever said they want to go into climate science for the money? Probably zero. A nerdy white guy probably has a better chance of getting rich in the NBA.

There are lots of people who never want to leave academe and go out into the real world to earn a living....Endowments and grants don't take near as much real productive work to obtain, especially when there are lots of authoritarian politicians eager for you to give them a result that they like.

So, we just don't need scientists?

Republicans have felt that way for a very long time. It’s just one of those nonsensical things they believe in.
Like college. Take a look at what Republicans think of college. They think college is a place to go get high get drunk and have sex. They don’t understand that there are actually people there studying and learning.
And the question Republicans have is “learn what“.
Republicans feel everything you need to learn is right there in the Bible. It’s already there.

 

[whitehall]

How do you get to be a "scientist"? The 64 million dollar question is how many global warming "scientists" live off federal grants and taxpayer dollars? They aren't scientists, they are in the propaganda business.

 

[Oddball]

So, we just don't need scientists?

Yet another straw man...Keep this thread away from open flame!

You seem to think scientists don't live in the real world, because they haven't produced anything but ideas.

Again with the straw man....There are lots of scientists operating in the private sector, producing results that make innumerable products better.

Are those supposed to be the impartial scientists? The ones working in the private sector for coal and green energy companies?

The mental gymnastics these people go through to believe in a worldwide climate conspiracy...

Partisan influences run deep.

You're the one doing the mental gymnastics, in order to *ahem* deny the absence of real science in "climate science".

 

[Oddball]

C'mon, Corky, dazzle us all with your scientific acumen.

I don't have to. People far more knowledgeable and qualified than us have already given their input on the matter. Almost all of them have come to a similar conclusion.

Back to the appeals to authority....It's really all you have, innit?

 

[Confounding]

Yet another straw man...Keep this thread away from open flame!

You seem to think scientists don't live in the real world, because they haven't produced anything but ideas.

Again with the straw man....There are lots of scientists operating in the private sector, producing results that make innumerable products better.

Are those supposed to be the impartial scientists? The ones working in the private sector for coal and green energy companies?

The mental gymnastics these people go through to believe in a worldwide climate conspiracy...

Partisan influences run deep.

You're the one doing the mental gymnastics, in order to *ahem* deny the absence of real science in "climate science.

Whatever you say dingus.

You will have to take up the definition of science with the scientists. Let me know how it goes.

 

[Oddball]

You seem to think scientists don't live in the real world, because they haven't produced anything but ideas.

Again with the straw man....There are lots of scientists operating in the private sector, producing results that make innumerable products better.

Are those supposed to be the impartial scientists? The ones working in the private sector for coal and green energy companies?

The mental gymnastics these people go through to believe in a worldwide climate conspiracy...

Partisan influences run deep.

You're the one doing the mental gymnastics, in order to *ahem* deny the absence of real science in "climate science.

Whatever you say dingus.

You will have to take up the definition of science with the scientists. Let me know how it goes.

It's not whatever I say, Chumlee...It's about the science....You're not a science denier, are you?

 

[Confounding]

It's about the science

Who knows the most about science?

 

[Oddball]

It's about the science

Who knows the most about science?

Scientific method knows about science...I've repeatedly listed five -count 'em FIVE- traditionally accepted acid tests of scientific method that are completely absent from the AGW myth, and you have entirely ignored them.

Why are you such a science denier?

 

[Confounding]

Scientific method knows about science

Which people know the most about science?