So....how many posters do we have who have heard of this INCEL Movement?

[danielpalos]

You have explained nothing. And, what you did explain was just plain Wrong. Nobody takes right wingers seriously about economics.

Correcting for Capitalism's not socialism's natural rate of unemployment is what we are talking about.

Yes I did explain. You claim to want the changes in the unemployment compensation to help the homeless.

Where do they mail the checks? What do the homeless do with the checks? They have no ID to cash them and no bank account. And if they do manage to cash them, what you want is the equivalent of $14 an hour. That is $560 a week before taxes. The federal tax would be 12%. In Georgia, the state tax would be 4% or %5. That means every week these homeless people will be given $470. No bank account. No place to live. How many will be robbed and probably hurt? Let me rephrase that to make it easier. How many WON'T be robbed and probably hurt? Damned few I would be. Especially when word got out that the homeless were getting $470 a week.

And what about the ones who have substance abuse problems? No help for their addictions, but here is $470 a week you can use to buy booze or drugs. Good luck!!!

And what about those with mental problems? Do you think they are ready to deal with having a little over $2k a month in cash? You would be creating another set of victims.

Now if you want to pretend that my explanations are wrong, that is on you. But I guarantee they are dead accurate. I have spent too much time volunteering in soup kitchens to be told "If we just send them a check they will be fine". That is blind ignorance.

The natural rate of unemployment is served best by the current welfare system.

No, it isn't. Solving for Capitalism's not Labor's natural rate of unemployment is best. Means tested welfare should be for those for whom solving for mere lucre, may not be enough.

No, means tested welfare is simply assuring that the resources go to those who need them. Not someone who just needs lucre to take women out to dinner.

It is the responsibility or duty for society to make sure everyone has a place to sleep, food, and access to resources to survive. You have all of those.

Unemployment compensation is more cost effective. Some people would rather use that than go on more expensive, means tested welfare.

It is not more efficient. You keep claiming that it is, but offer no evidence to show the truth of your assertions.

You want to remove the main method of stopping fraud. It is not a waste of resources.

Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed must be more cost effective as an economic program, not a political program.

 

[WinterBorn]

No, you don't have to work. But if you don't work you don't get paid. In about 3 years I will retire. I won't have to work because I worked for 45 years and made sure I saved for my retirement.

Morals? You keep talking about morals. One minute demeaning mine, the next talking smack about morality. These laws we have are logical and reasonable.

We have a safety net for those who need it.

it takes morals to solve problems. Faithful execution of our own laws, is moral.

I don't know if it is moral. Many people follow the laws to avoid prosecution.

I am all for solving problems. But revamping an entire system to suit your own unique situation is not solving problems.

lol. i am advocating correcting for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.

And, other than the homeless problem, it is being corrected by welfare. People in the US who have no income and no job can get the help they need via welfare. The means testing insures a minimal amount of fraud.

lol. No, it isn't. Welfare is means tested not employment tested.

True. And it should be. If you have $1 million in the bank and live off the interest, you are unemployed. Should tax dollars be given to you?

Tax money is given to people who need it. You do not.

There will never be a day that the gov't, federal or state, gives you money without you having to show a need.

As I have said numerous times, for any of the social welfare benefits, YOU fill out some forms. Fewer than 10% are actually checked. That is not inefficient. For unemployment, you fill out forms, your employer fills out forms, and the state fills out forms.

 

[WinterBorn]

Yes I did explain. You claim to want the changes in the unemployment compensation to help the homeless.

Where do they mail the checks? What do the homeless do with the checks? They have no ID to cash them and no bank account. And if they do manage to cash them, what you want is the equivalent of $14 an hour. That is $560 a week before taxes. The federal tax would be 12%. In Georgia, the state tax would be 4% or %5. That means every week these homeless people will be given $470. No bank account. No place to live. How many will be robbed and probably hurt? Let me rephrase that to make it easier. How many WON'T be robbed and probably hurt? Damned few I would be. Especially when word got out that the homeless were getting $470 a week.

And what about the ones who have substance abuse problems? No help for their addictions, but here is $470 a week you can use to buy booze or drugs. Good luck!!!

And what about those with mental problems? Do you think they are ready to deal with having a little over $2k a month in cash? You would be creating another set of victims.

Now if you want to pretend that my explanations are wrong, that is on you. But I guarantee they are dead accurate. I have spent too much time volunteering in soup kitchens to be told "If we just send them a check they will be fine". That is blind ignorance.

The natural rate of unemployment is served best by the current welfare system.

No, it isn't. Solving for Capitalism's not Labor's natural rate of unemployment is best. Means tested welfare should be for those for whom solving for mere lucre, may not be enough.

No, means tested welfare is simply assuring that the resources go to those who need them. Not someone who just needs lucre to take women out to dinner.

It is the responsibility or duty for society to make sure everyone has a place to sleep, food, and access to resources to survive. You have all of those.

Unemployment compensation is more cost effective. Some people would rather use that than go on more expensive, means tested welfare.

It is not more efficient. You keep claiming that it is, but offer no evidence to show the truth of your assertions.

You want to remove the main method of stopping fraud. It is not a waste of resources.

Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed must be more cost effective as an economic program, not a political program.

It must? Why? Because you want it to be?

Unemployment compensation is far more inefficient than welfare.

 

[danielpalos]

it takes morals to solve problems. Faithful execution of our own laws, is moral.

I don't know if it is moral. Many people follow the laws to avoid prosecution.

I am all for solving problems. But revamping an entire system to suit your own unique situation is not solving problems.

lol. i am advocating correcting for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.

And, other than the homeless problem, it is being corrected by welfare. People in the US who have no income and no job can get the help they need via welfare. The means testing insures a minimal amount of fraud.

lol. No, it isn't. Welfare is means tested not employment tested.

True. And it should be. If you have $1 million in the bank and live off the interest, you are unemployed. Should tax dollars be given to you?

Tax money is given to people who need it. You do not.

There will never be a day that the gov't, federal or state, gives you money without you having to show a need.

As I have said numerous times, for any of the social welfare benefits, YOU fill out some forms. Fewer than 10% are actually checked. That is not inefficient. For unemployment, you fill out forms, your employer fills out forms, and the state fills out forms.

How many people are going to ask for unemployment compensation if they don't need it? Typically, you need to be unemployed. Most of the Poor, will will be able to participate in our markets.

 

[danielpalos]

No, it isn't. Solving for Capitalism's not Labor's natural rate of unemployment is best. Means tested welfare should be for those for whom solving for mere lucre, may not be enough.

No, means tested welfare is simply assuring that the resources go to those who need them. Not someone who just needs lucre to take women out to dinner.

It is the responsibility or duty for society to make sure everyone has a place to sleep, food, and access to resources to survive. You have all of those.

Unemployment compensation is more cost effective. Some people would rather use that than go on more expensive, means tested welfare.

It is not more efficient. You keep claiming that it is, but offer no evidence to show the truth of your assertions.

You want to remove the main method of stopping fraud. It is not a waste of resources.

Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed must be more cost effective as an economic program, not a political program.

It must? Why? Because you want it to be?

Unemployment compensation is far more inefficient than welfare.

No, it isn't.

 

[WinterBorn]

I don't know if it is moral. Many people follow the laws to avoid prosecution.

I am all for solving problems. But revamping an entire system to suit your own unique situation is not solving problems.

lol. i am advocating correcting for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.

And, other than the homeless problem, it is being corrected by welfare. People in the US who have no income and no job can get the help they need via welfare. The means testing insures a minimal amount of fraud.

lol. No, it isn't. Welfare is means tested not employment tested.

True. And it should be. If you have $1 million in the bank and live off the interest, you are unemployed. Should tax dollars be given to you?

Tax money is given to people who need it. You do not.

There will never be a day that the gov't, federal or state, gives you money without you having to show a need.

As I have said numerous times, for any of the social welfare benefits, YOU fill out some forms. Fewer than 10% are actually checked. That is not inefficient. For unemployment, you fill out forms, your employer fills out forms, and the state fills out forms.

How many people are going to ask for unemployment compensation if they don't need it? Typically, you need to be unemployed. Most of the Poor, will will be able to participate in our markets.

How many will apply for unemployment compensation if no questions are asked?

 

[WinterBorn]

No, means tested welfare is simply assuring that the resources go to those who need them. Not someone who just needs lucre to take women out to dinner.

It is the responsibility or duty for society to make sure everyone has a place to sleep, food, and access to resources to survive. You have all of those.

Unemployment compensation is more cost effective. Some people would rather use that than go on more expensive, means tested welfare.

It is not more efficient. You keep claiming that it is, but offer no evidence to show the truth of your assertions.

You want to remove the main method of stopping fraud. It is not a waste of resources.

Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed must be more cost effective as an economic program, not a political program.

It must? Why? Because you want it to be?

Unemployment compensation is far more inefficient than welfare.

No, it isn't.

You keep saying that. Unemployment compensation must verify each and every case. Welfare may verify 10% or less. And the information gathered for welfare comes from the person applying.

 

[danielpalos]

lol. i am advocating correcting for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.

And, other than the homeless problem, it is being corrected by welfare. People in the US who have no income and no job can get the help they need via welfare. The means testing insures a minimal amount of fraud.

lol. No, it isn't. Welfare is means tested not employment tested.

True. And it should be. If you have $1 million in the bank and live off the interest, you are unemployed. Should tax dollars be given to you?

Tax money is given to people who need it. You do not.

There will never be a day that the gov't, federal or state, gives you money without you having to show a need.

As I have said numerous times, for any of the social welfare benefits, YOU fill out some forms. Fewer than 10% are actually checked. That is not inefficient. For unemployment, you fill out forms, your employer fills out forms, and the state fills out forms.

How many people are going to ask for unemployment compensation if they don't need it? Typically, you need to be unemployed. Most of the Poor, will will be able to participate in our markets.

How many will apply for unemployment compensation if no questions are asked?

are you employed or not?

 

[danielpalos]

Unemployment compensation is more cost effective. Some people would rather use that than go on more expensive, means tested welfare.

It is not more efficient. You keep claiming that it is, but offer no evidence to show the truth of your assertions.

You want to remove the main method of stopping fraud. It is not a waste of resources.

Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed must be more cost effective as an economic program, not a political program.

It must? Why? Because you want it to be?

Unemployment compensation is far more inefficient than welfare.

No, it isn't.

You keep saying that. Unemployment compensation must verify each and every case. Welfare may verify 10% or less. And the information gathered for welfare comes from the person applying.

Unemployment compensation solves for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment. Most participants will self-select. There is no way, means testing can be more efficient.

 

[B. Kidd]

Wow!
79 pages of posts that amount to basically discussing 'jerk-offs'.
Just, Wow!!

 

[danielpalos]

Wow!
79 pages of posts that amount to basically discussing 'jerk-offs'.
Just, Wow!!

I offer free full body massage with Happy ending for women who are willing to be, girls and friends, at the same time.

 

[WinterBorn]

And, other than the homeless problem, it is being corrected by welfare. People in the US who have no income and no job can get the help they need via welfare. The means testing insures a minimal amount of fraud.

lol. No, it isn't. Welfare is means tested not employment tested.

True. And it should be. If you have $1 million in the bank and live off the interest, you are unemployed. Should tax dollars be given to you?

Tax money is given to people who need it. You do not.

There will never be a day that the gov't, federal or state, gives you money without you having to show a need.

As I have said numerous times, for any of the social welfare benefits, YOU fill out some forms. Fewer than 10% are actually checked. That is not inefficient. For unemployment, you fill out forms, your employer fills out forms, and the state fills out forms.

How many people are going to ask for unemployment compensation if they don't need it? Typically, you need to be unemployed. Most of the Poor, will will be able to participate in our markets.

How many will apply for unemployment compensation if no questions are asked?

are you employed or not?

I have a great job, thanks for asking. And an occasional part-time job I love doing.

 

[WinterBorn]

It is not more efficient. You keep claiming that it is, but offer no evidence to show the truth of your assertions.

You want to remove the main method of stopping fraud. It is not a waste of resources.

Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed must be more cost effective as an economic program, not a political program.

It must? Why? Because you want it to be?

Unemployment compensation is far more inefficient than welfare.

No, it isn't.

You keep saying that. Unemployment compensation must verify each and every case. Welfare may verify 10% or less. And the information gathered for welfare comes from the person applying.

Unemployment compensation solves for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment. Most participants will self-select. There is no way, means testing can be more efficient.

It is more efficient for 2 reasons:
1) The means testing is mostly forms filled out by the applicant. It uses almost no resources.
2) The means testing helps prevent fraud, which wastes resources and produces a large inefficiency.

 

[danielpalos]

lol. No, it isn't. Welfare is means tested not employment tested.

True. And it should be. If you have $1 million in the bank and live off the interest, you are unemployed. Should tax dollars be given to you?

Tax money is given to people who need it. You do not.

There will never be a day that the gov't, federal or state, gives you money without you having to show a need.

As I have said numerous times, for any of the social welfare benefits, YOU fill out some forms. Fewer than 10% are actually checked. That is not inefficient. For unemployment, you fill out forms, your employer fills out forms, and the state fills out forms.

How many people are going to ask for unemployment compensation if they don't need it? Typically, you need to be unemployed. Most of the Poor, will will be able to participate in our markets.

How many will apply for unemployment compensation if no questions are asked?

are you employed or not?

I have a great job, thanks for asking. And an occasional part-time job I love doing.

so, why would You apply for unemployment compensation for being allegedly, unemployed?

 

[danielpalos]

Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed must be more cost effective as an economic program, not a political program.

It must? Why? Because you want it to be?

Unemployment compensation is far more inefficient than welfare.

No, it isn't.

You keep saying that. Unemployment compensation must verify each and every case. Welfare may verify 10% or less. And the information gathered for welfare comes from the person applying.

Unemployment compensation solves for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment. Most participants will self-select. There is no way, means testing can be more efficient.

It is more efficient for 2 reasons:
1) The means testing is mostly forms filled out by the applicant. It uses almost no resources.
2) The means testing helps prevent fraud, which wastes resources and produces a large inefficiency.

solving for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is economic, not political. there is no way, means testing based on politics, can ever be more efficient.

 

[WinterBorn]

Wow!
79 pages of posts that amount to basically discussing 'jerk-offs'.
Just, Wow!!

I offer free full body massage with Happy ending for women who are willing to be, girls and friends, at the same time.

But unless they allow you access to their bodies, you will not be their friend. (or so you said)

 

[WinterBorn]

True. And it should be. If you have $1 million in the bank and live off the interest, you are unemployed. Should tax dollars be given to you?

Tax money is given to people who need it. You do not.

There will never be a day that the gov't, federal or state, gives you money without you having to show a need.

As I have said numerous times, for any of the social welfare benefits, YOU fill out some forms. Fewer than 10% are actually checked. That is not inefficient. For unemployment, you fill out forms, your employer fills out forms, and the state fills out forms.

How many people are going to ask for unemployment compensation if they don't need it? Typically, you need to be unemployed. Most of the Poor, will will be able to participate in our markets.

How many will apply for unemployment compensation if no questions are asked?

are you employed or not?

I have a great job, thanks for asking. And an occasional part-time job I love doing.

so, why would You apply for unemployment compensation for being allegedly, unemployed?

Because they will send you a check.

 

[WinterBorn]

It must? Why? Because you want it to be?

Unemployment compensation is far more inefficient than welfare.

No, it isn't.

You keep saying that. Unemployment compensation must verify each and every case. Welfare may verify 10% or less. And the information gathered for welfare comes from the person applying.

Unemployment compensation solves for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment. Most participants will self-select. There is no way, means testing can be more efficient.

It is more efficient for 2 reasons:
1) The means testing is mostly forms filled out by the applicant. It uses almost no resources.
2) The means testing helps prevent fraud, which wastes resources and produces a large inefficiency.

solving for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is economic, not political. there is no way, means testing based on politics, can ever be more efficient.

Welfare is a safety net. Whether you want to call it "solving for capitalism's natural rate of employment" or poverty. And it is a safety net based on need. You don't need it.

 

[danielpalos]

How many people are going to ask for unemployment compensation if they don't need it? Typically, you need to be unemployed. Most of the Poor, will will be able to participate in our markets.

How many will apply for unemployment compensation if no questions are asked?

are you employed or not?

I have a great job, thanks for asking. And an occasional part-time job I love doing.

so, why would You apply for unemployment compensation for being allegedly, unemployed?

Because they will send you a check.

and? does labor have an actual right to work even in alleged, Right to Work States?

 

[danielpalos]

No, it isn't.

You keep saying that. Unemployment compensation must verify each and every case. Welfare may verify 10% or less. And the information gathered for welfare comes from the person applying.

Unemployment compensation solves for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment. Most participants will self-select. There is no way, means testing can be more efficient.

It is more efficient for 2 reasons:
1) The means testing is mostly forms filled out by the applicant. It uses almost no resources.
2) The means testing helps prevent fraud, which wastes resources and produces a large inefficiency.

solving for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is economic, not political. there is no way, means testing based on politics, can ever be more efficient.

Welfare is a safety net. Whether you want to call it "solving for capitalism's natural rate of employment" or poverty. And it is a safety net based on need. You don't need it.

We should have no people on the street if they could be getting unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed.